Salguero: Ross will hire the new Head Coach..period
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padre31luxury_boxOPNo one has been interviewed yet, and no one can be hired until after the season. But everybody Ireland deems worthy of Ross’ attention will be on that list.
Ireland will then turn over that list, and then the search for Miami’s ninth head coach will begin.
Ireland will not lead that search. Carl Peterson, if or when he gets hired by the Dolphins, will not lead that search.
Stephen Ross will lead that search. Period.
This will be the owner’s hire. Let’s establish that now before confusion sets in because the Dolphins the past four years have been a mystery regarding which person is responsible for which thing — sometimes the blame or credit going to Tony Sparano, sometimes to Bill Parcells, sometimes to assistant coaches, sometimes to Ireland — without anyone really knowing or volunteering the truth.
If this coach hire doesn’t work out, it’ll be completely on Ross, not on Ireland.
By the way, there are plenty of other things fans already blame Ireland for that weren’t really his doing, but that’s not the point here. Ireland refuses to get into that conversation anyway, as surely as he declined to talk to me after I caught up to him by a humming team bus Sunday.
He said he sees no point in the conversation. He understands many fans don’t like him, some for legitimate reasons and some for doing things he never really did.
And he realizes that calls he did make that have worked — such as the signings of quarterback Matt Moore and running back Reggie Bush — are quickly dismissed in people’s minds because he picked those players, they’re playing well, and that simply doesn’t fit the current hate-everything-Ireland narrative.
I rarely quote Armando these days, but have to admit, he has this one right, a huge part of the frustration over the last 2 yrs has been the murky way things in Davie went down meant there were not clear lines of responsibility and accountability among the employees there.
Now it is made clear that Ross will clearly be in charge of making this decision, which tends to tell me that Brian Schottie will be high on the list.
Lots of things cleared up on pg #2 as well, such as Ireland and Fisher knowing each other in the 80's when Ireland worked in the Bears Org and so did Fisher, if Cowher wants his own GM, Ireland is gone, ditto Gruden.
jpep13subscriberHaving connections for comfort level does not always work out. If Ireland picks the right QB? is that in the draft or Free Agency? Schotty?
Paul 13moderatorLets get ready to... Spend Moneeeeeeeey!! Seriously, he is going to throw a lot of money at some big names.
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TrowaNew MemberYou mean to tell me it's not going to be magical elves that hire the new coach? I'll be damned.
padre31luxury_box"Paul 13 wrote:
Lets get ready to... Spend Moneeeeeeeey!! Seriously, he is going to throw a lot of money at some big names.
Heard Peter King said we are hiring Fisher, not a fan of that sort of round the way stuff without hearing it myself, but there it is.
SD is 1 gm out in the AFCW, if they can pull it out, maybe Norv saves his job ad we figure to be a better landing spot for Fisher?
padre31luxury_box"Trowa wrote:
You mean to tell me it's not going to be magical elves that hire the new coach? I'll be damned.
Not so much that Trowa, more that the myasma of BS that surrounded the Parcells Era is finally being discarded for clarity's sakes.
Ross has called himself a fan who owns a team, this will be his sort of acid test.
djphinfansubscriberPod, can you go into more detail and context of what you heard King say?
MAFishFanforum_veteranand Mayock said it's Billick. Eveyone just throws stuff at a wall and sees what sticks and when it doesn't they blame it on a source...i'll believe coach x is the next coach when ross has a press conference and the coach isn't there
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padre31luxury_box"djphinfan wrote:
Pod, can you go into more detail and context of what you heard King say?
http://www.dolphinstalk.com/2011/12/breaking-sports-news-video-mlb-nfl-nba.html
Video at the link, King said "the leader in the club house to hire Jeff Fisher is Miami"
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Muckretired_adminWhat I'm (also) curious about is who will be interviewing the candidates and who will be in the room.
If Harbaugh was a preview, it's Ross and Ireland. Will Carl Peterson be as well?
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Larryfinfansubscriber"padre31 wrote:
I rarely quote Armando these days, but have to admit, he has this one right, a huge part of the frustration over the last 2 yrs has been the murky way things in Davie went down meant there were not clear lines of responsibility and accountability among the employees there.
Now it is made clear that Ross will clearly be in charge of making this decision, which tends to tell me that Brian Schottie will be high on the list.
Lots of things cleared up on pg #2 as well, such as Ireland and Fisher knowing each other in the 80's when Ireland worked in the Bears Org and so did Fisher, if Cowher wants his own GM, Ireland is gone, ditto Gruden.
Don't know about everyone, but I've never felt any differently than this hire will be Ross. You did say "Now it is made clear..." and in actuality, it's Mando simply reporting that line, but as I said, I certainly think that Ross, the businessman will be making this hire. Whether or not it works out is to be determined. I think it's widely known that Ross wants a name brand guy running the show and whether that includes Ireland, imho, has always been up to the particular guy that is hired.
Mando is right about the one thing that has allowed this regime to thrive... anonymity of blame. Was it a Quit-cells move, an Ireland move or someone Tony insisted on ?? We've all made and seen claims like "Why would Sparano want Colombo, he's a bum", but never has any of the guys come out and said "I wanted that guy". It was widely reported that Quit-cells made the White draft, but not one time has Quit-cells, Ireland or Sparano ever said that was the way it went down... Who wanted this guy in the draft or that guy in FA that didn't work out. TBH though and in their defense, none of them have crowed about themselves individually of any good moves made either.
I think Ross has learned a lot since last January and has concocted a plan of action for the replacement of Sparano and that may include a replacement of Ireland, we just don't know yet...
So who normally makes the coaching hire decision? Is it the GM, VP of Football Operations, or the owner?
RoninFin4subscriberThere's something about Jeff Fisher that makes me feel uneasy. Feels like more of the same from what we had in Sparano.
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Tin Indianforum_veteranHeck we would be doing the Jets a huge favor if we hired Schottie. He is not a great OC so why would he be a good HC. Frankly, I don't see Cowher or Gruden coming on board so I guess at this point I'm leaning towards Jeff Fisher as the guy I'm most interested in.
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BlameItOnTheHenneforum_veteran"RoninFin4 wrote:
There's something about Jeff Fisher that makes me feel uneasy. Feels like more of the same from what we had in Sparano.
Is it because of the mustache? I get the same vibe.
padre31luxury_box"mbmonk wrote:
So who normally makes the coaching hire decision? Is it the GM, VP of Football Operations, or the owner?
Mando is saying Ireland hands Ross a list, Ross takes it from there.
RoninFin4subscriber"BlameItOnTheHenne wrote:
Is it because of the mustache? I get the same vibe.
Perhaps. That, and the fact he only had 6 winning seasons in 17 years of coaching. A bunch of 8-8's and 7-9's in there. Just seems like more of the same. Plus, he's pushing 60; I'd personally rather have a younger guy come in, who if he were to be successful, could potentially be around longer.
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padre31luxury_box"RoninFin4 wrote:
Perhaps. That, and the fact he only had 6 winning seasons in 17 years of coaching. A bunch of 8-8's and 7-9's in there. Just seems like more of the same. Plus, he's pushing 60; I'd personally rather have a younger guy come in, who if he were to be successful, could potentially be around longer.
He's 53.
I'd be thrilled to have Fisher.
schmoliootsubscriberWhat criteria is Ireland using to put together this list?
How does he know who the good candidates are, outside of his circle of knowledge?
It sounds like Armando is specualting on what kinds of coaches are on the list. I can't imagine Ireland pushing a college guy.
This whole thing has disaster written all over it. A second or thrid choice coach, no QB, more mediocrity. Groundhog Day
RoninFin4subscriber"padre31 wrote:
He's 53.
I'd be thrilled to have Fisher.
You're right, I read 58 when looking that up. Forgive me, it's early. Born in 1958, not 58 years old.
Regardless, I'm not a fan of Fisher. Ireland's talked about familiarity a number of times; that strikes me as the primary reason Fisher would be on any list that Ireland is putting together. That worries me.
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rdhstlr23subscriberI still believe Carl Peterson will play a significant role in the hiring of a Head Coach. I think he'll play a large role in setting up the meeting. I think he'll play a large role in selling Ross and/or Ireland to a prospective coach. He will also have a large role in campaigning to Ross on whom he believes would be worthy of an interview and/or hire.
schmoliootsubscriber"RoninFin4 wrote:
You're right, I read 58 when looking that up. Forgive me, it's early. Born in 1958, not 58 years old.
Regardless, I'm not a fan of Fisher. Ireland's talked about familiarity a number of times; that strikes me as the primary reason Fisher would be on any list that Ireland is putting together. That worries me.
Fisher is a good coach, but he hasn't shown any special qualities outside of longevity.
When he's had good QB play, he's won. When he hasn;t his teams have been mediocre. Kind of like tony.
rdhstlr23subscriber"schmolioot wrote:
Fisher is a good coach, but he hasn't shown any special qualities outside of longevity.
When he's had good QB play, he's won. When he hasn;t his teams have been mediocre. Kind of like tony.
You just categorized almost every Head Coach in the history of this league. Bill Walsh wasn't anything until Montana, Belichick nothing until Brady, Noll nothing until Bradshaw. At the very least, Fischer has shown ways to get his team to the playoffs with mediocre QB play--McNair at times and Vince Young
schmoliootsubscriber"rdhstlr23 wrote:
You just categorized almost every Head Coach in the history of this league. Bill Walsh wasn't anything until Montana, Belichick nothing until Brady, Noll nothing until Bradshaw. At the very least, Fischer has shown ways to get his team to the playoffs with mediocre QB play--McNair at times and Vince Young
Bill cowher made it to the SB with Neil O'donnell and multiple aFC Championship games with Kordell and tommy Maddox.
So, yeah, fisher is amongst the hundreds of coaches who are good enough to win when they get good QB play. He is nothing special otherwise. That was my only point. Which is why I prefer Cowher, or even Gruden.
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