Salguero: Tannenbaum and Marino are Ross' top advisors

Dan Quinn would be my first choice personally, I do hope we wait to fire Joe until the end of the season though.

This is developing exactly as I've been saying for a very long time with respect to Marino.

No matter how innocuous they tried to make that hire seem, even to Dan himself, you knew that when times got hard and Steve Ross has to put his "football people" (Joe Philbin, Dennis Hickey) on trial to see whether they need to be kept or fired, then Steve Ross is going to look around him at his circle of employees that he can trust to do WORK and come to him with an informed and valuable opinion as the product of that work...and he's going to wonder which of these people he can trust on the basis of them being real "football people". Matt Higgins? Pssh. Yeah right. And Dawn Aponte is fully being pigeon-holed as a capologist, not a football person. Carl Peterson is not an employee. He has to contract him for special jobs if he wants Carl to do anything but give an "opinions are like a$$holes" quality superficial opinion on anything. And he's not going to get more than that from a Tony Dungy or any of the other people Ross talks to on the phone once in a blue moon. And the last time he contracted Carl to help him out, the Dolphins executed one of the sloppiest GM searches in NFL memory.

So Dan Marino's hire may have LOOKED ceremonial, but in actuality it was always going to be a job that entailed evaluating the coaches and even the personnel in order to give Ross advice when the team is not winning.

What I didn't foresee, but probably should have, was that Mike Tannenbaum may have weaseled his way into a similar role. He tried to get hired as the GM instead of Hickey but was denied. Instead they hired him as a tech/analytics consultant. But the same problem applies to him. When times get rough, Steve Ross is going to ask who are the football people around him that WORK for him, that he can trust to discuss Philbin/Hickey with? Dan Marino was always going to be one of those the moment he was hired. Evidently, so too was Mike Tannenbaum.

Tennenbaum and Rex Ryan have worked together before...come on...

Bring me Rexy!

I think Dan Marino would make an awesome HC. He commands respect. JMO

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Bring me Rexy!

And don't forget that Jason Taylor was supposed to be on some advisors council too. He liked playing for Rex.

You notice how Armando seems to have sources while all Omar Kelly talks about is passer rating?

Rex Ryan at least bring excitement, swearing, and more swearing.

I am soooo bored with being a Dolphins fan.

You all are killing me with Rex Ryan. Sure the guy knows defense but that offense is dave pornstache like. If he is the head coach do you really think he lets any coordinator open up the playbook?

"magicap wrote:

You all are killing me with Rex Ryan. Sure the guy knows defense but that offense is dave pornstache like. If he is the head coach do you really think he lets any coordinator open up the playbook?

Say five Our Fathers and fifteen Hail Marys for having mentioned, even indirectly, the name of the destroyer of the Bears and this franchise that we don't mention.

I hope Armando's right. Philbin needs to be gone. I'd rather they fired him now, actually.

Count me in for Rex.
Rex's D + with the production we have been getting out of Tannehill (hopefully continuing to progress) can win imo.

"magicap wrote:

You all are killing me with Rex Ryan. Sure the guy knows defense but that offense is dave pornstache like. If he is the head coach do you really think he lets any coordinator open up the playbook?

Yes I do. I think he is smart enough to understand that the reason he failed in New York was because of his lack of offense.As the Dolphins HC, he would inherit a better QB than he ever had with the Jets. The WR's are better in Miami and by adding a big back and a couple of starting caliber offensive guards, Ryan would have the best offensive unit he has ever had as an NFL head coach.

I have no doubt he will demand more from the defense and if he doesn't get it, I expect many of the starters this year to be replaced over the next couple of seasons.

I would have no problem with the hiring of Ryan as the next Dolphins HC. I just think he is likely to take a job in television instead and it wouldn't surprise me if he is a big hit on TV and never coaches another game in the NFL.

I don't know if Marino would be a good coach that takes a whole lot of time weekends , holidays and long hours.

here are some more coaches that played football .

Bob Matheson = linebackers

Joe Green = defensive line

Larry Seiple = wide receivers

Bernie Parmalee = assistant

there are a couple of other players but I cant think of their names off the top of my head.

isn't Larry Izzo's dad a head coach somewhere ?

I have misgivings about Rex... but those would be alleviated if he fully committed to letting Lazor own the offensive side of the ball, INCLUDING QB decisions... INCLUDING being the coach with the most input on QB decisions on draft day (if it ever came to that).

I do not want Rex somehow bringing 'his own' QB in here and forcing him on Lazor.

"Bpk wrote:

I have misgivings about Rex... but those would be alleviated if he fully committed to letting Lazor own the offensive side of the ball, INCLUDING QB decisions... INCLUDING being the coach with the most input on QB decisions on draft day (if it ever came to that).

I do not want Rex somehow bringing 'his own' QB in here and forcing him on Lazor.

I really don't get all the love for Lazor as an OC. The reality is that the Dolphins offense has scored a total of 3 TD's in the past three games. They have also been completely shut down in the second half of the past two games.

Personally I think Lazor is totally overrated as the Dolphins OC. In fact I don't think he is any better than Sherman.

I think the the next head coach should hire an experienced OC and demote Lazor to be the QB coach. I believe that is where Lazor is better suited. If Lazor doesn't want to accept the demotion and would rather leave the Dolphins, I just don't see it as a big loss.

"jw3102 wrote:

I really don't get all the love for Lazor as an OC. The reality is that the Dolphins offense has scored a total of 3 TD's in the past three games. They have also been completely shut down in the second half of the past two games.

Personally I think Lazor is totally overrated as the Dolphins OC. In fact I don't think he is any better than Sherman.

I think the the next head coach should hire an experienced OC and demote Lazor to be the QB coach. I believe that is where Lazor is better suited. If Lazor doesn't want to accept the demotion and would rather leave the Dolphins, I just don't see it as a big loss.

I disagree whole heartedly. Lazor has put guys in position to make plays far more than Sherman ever did. Unless you want Lazor to play WR or become a red zone target I don't see what else you can ask.

Coaches can only put players in position and offensively they have been. Line injuries have hurt as well.

I'd be fine with that plan. I don't love Rex's personality as the face of the franchise,but I trust Rex as much as anybody to fix the D. I believe that he could take the pieces we have, add a couple of pieces and field a very good D every week. And I also like the direction of the offense under Lazor. Despite the obvious struggles that always accompany putting in a new system and some key injuries, the team went from about 26th in points scored to about 12th. And more importantly, I want continuity for Tannehill. It's the most important position in the game. He's played like a top 10 QB since the Raider game and he continues to improve. Even the much discussed long ball issues showed clear progress this last game (actually all along IMO, but you'd have to be particularly blind not to notice it yesterday). I think it's insane that some people want to give up on what is clearly a top 10 QB who is still improving. I think we could do worse than having a very good D and a top 10 (or better) QB going into every game next year.

Wonder what effect Tannenbaum has on bringing in Rex; whether bad or good.

"pocoloco wrote:

Rex Ryan at least bring excitement, swearing, and more swearing.

I am soooo bored with being a Dolphins fan.

Oh, and snacks. Don't forget the the goddamned snacks.

The offense was playing better each week until we lost Albert. That is the root to the problems the offense has had the last few weeks. Not Lazor.

"Alex44 wrote:

I disagree whole heartedly. Lazor has put guys in position to make plays far more than Sherman ever did. Unless you want Lazor to play WR or become a red zone target I don't see what else you can ask.

Coaches can only put players in position and offensively they have been. Line injuries have hurt as well.

I certainly have no problem with you disagreeing with me concerning Lazor. I agree he can' t make the plays for the players on the field, but I also think he is weak when it comes to calling an entire game.

I have no problem with the next head coach deciding if he wants Lazor to remain the OC or not. I just don't think keeping Lazor or even Hickey should be a demand Ross makes of his next Head coach.

"jw3102 wrote:

I certainly have no problem with you disagreeing with me concerning Lazor. I agree he can' t make the plays for the players on the field, but I also think he is weak when it comes to calling an entire game.

I have no problem with the next head coach deciding if he wants Lazor to remain the OC or not. I just don't think keeping Lazor or even Hickey should be a demand Ross makes of his next Head coach.

I think Hickey should be given the authority to decide whether we keep Philbin or hire a new coach.

"jcliving wrote:

I think Hickey should be given the authority to decide whether we keep Philbin or hire a new coach.

Lmao HELL NO