Saw this posted at another Forum......(Bess content)

Interesting....

Bess and Marshall are both possession receivers but each brings a different set of skills to the table. Bess works the underneath like no one's business. He runs clean routes, has sharp breaks and is very quick. He's not fast but if you blink once he's past you. Marshall on the other hand is a bigger bodied more physical receiver. Point being, just because Bess isn't a deep threat doesn't mean he doesn't bring a dynamic and necessary skill set to the table. He's much more valuable to us than any 2nd rounder.

We screwed up getting rid of Welker. We'd be screwing up again by getting rid of Bess.

"byroan wrote:

We screwed up getting rid of Welker. We'd be screwing up again by getting rid of Bess.

The Dolphins didn't get rid of Welker. They screwed up by not tendering him higher, but they didn't get rid of him. He signed a poison pill contract as a RFA and the league stepped in and turned it into a trade. The Dolphins wanted to keep him, and thought that they'd have the opportunity to match any offer he'd sign. Problem was he didn't want to stay, so he signed a poison pill.

"Two Tacos wrote:

The Dolphins didn't get rid of Welker. They screwed up by not tendering him higher, but they didn't get rid of him. He signed a poison pill contract as a RFA and the league stepped in and turned it into a trade. The Dolphins wanted to keep him, and thought that they'd have the opportunity to match any offer he'd sign. Problem was he didn't want to stay, so he signed a poison pill.

That's not what is says here:
The New England Patriots acquired three-year veteran wide receiver Wes Welker from the Miami Dolphins on Monday. Wes WelkerWide Receiver
New England Patriots

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In exchange for Welker, the Patriots sent their 2007 second- and seventh-round draft picks to Miami.
After the trade, Welker agreed Tuesday to a five-year, $18.1 million contract includes a $9 million signing bonus, ESPN.com's John Clayton reported.

"padre31 wrote:

Toddsphins to agree in 4..3..2...

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Well, I cannot get over Anthony Armstrong beasting with the Redskins, he was mostly an after thought in Miami, a pajama practice wonder. If they can find him, they can find someone else who can be the burner without peddling DBess.

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No way I would trade him unless I'm using the pick on Jerrel Jernigan to address the void at the slot that I just created (and even then I probably wouldn't do it). His 3rd down conversion ability is much too valuable to this team.

Apparently this person forgot that Hartline is on the team and serves as our #2 (where our vertical threat needs be coming from). If you want an upgrade at WR with more speed/playmaking ability, then that's the inconsistent guy who needs to be looked at, not the most reliable receiver on the team.

"ToddsPhins wrote:

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No way I would trade him unless I'm using the pick on Jerrel Jernigan to address the void at the slot that I just created (and even then I probably wouldn't do it). His 3rd down conversion ability is much too valuable to this team.

Apparently this person forgot that Hartline is on the team and serves as our #2 (where our vertical threat needs be coming from). If you want an upgrade at WR with more speed/playmaking ability, then that's the inconsistent guy who needs to be looked at, not the most reliable receiver on the team.

Actually, I'd move Hartline to BM's position, move BM to slot, and leave the other side of the formation open for a new acquisition in that scenario.

To me, wouldn't mind taking a run at Randy Moss for that other Wr position..:shifty:

I do like Marlon Moore, but he is no Bess, who won't be going anywhere, like Hartline as well but thought he slumped at the beginning of the yr.

"cowboy82nd wrote:

That's not what is says here:
The New England Patriots acquired three-year veteran wide receiver Wes Welker from the Miami Dolphins on Monday. Wes WelkerWide Receiver
New England Patriots

Profile2006 SEASON STATISTICSRecYdsTDAvgLongYAC67687110.338285
In exchange for Welker, the Patriots sent their 2007 second- and seventh-round draft picks to Miami.
After the trade, Welker agreed Tuesday to a five-year, $18.1 million contract includes a $9 million signing bonus, ESPN.com's John Clayton reported.

This happened AFTER what Two Tacos said.

Source from the Boston Globe

From Welker's perspective, the interest from the Patriots was flattering. While some teams' views of him reflected the label with which he entered the league - a rookie free agent - he felt different on his visit to New England.

By that point, the only question was how to finalize the process. The Patriots were prepared to sign Welker to an offer sheet that included a "poison pill" that would make it difficult for the Dolphins to match. Yet in hopes of avoiding the bad blood that sometimes can accompany offer sheets - the Seahawks and Vikings recently engaged in a nasty back and forth with offensive lineman Steve Hutchinson and receiver Nate Burleson exchanging teams via offer sheets - the Patriots instead called the Dolphins and proposed a trade.

The Dolphins were amenable, shipping Welker to the Patriots for second- and seventh-round draft choices. The Dolphins used the second-rounder (60th overall) to select Hawaii center Samson Satele, who has started all six games this season. The seventh-round pick (238th overall) yielded Abraham Wright, a linebacker from Colorado who has been inactive for every game.

"padre31 wrote:

Actually, I'd move Hartline to BM's position, move BM to slot, and leave the other side of the formation open for a new acquisition in that scenario.

To me, wouldn't mind taking a run at Randy Moss for that other Wr position..:shifty:

I do like Marlon Moore, but he is no Bess, who won't be going anywhere, like Hartline as well but thought he slumped at the beginning of the yr.

The need for speed will send Hartline to the bench. You get a Wr with some wheels and then you can move Bess and Marshall all over the place.

"Ozzy wrote:

The need for speed will send Hartline to the bench. You get a Wr with some wheels and then you can move Bess and Marshall all over the place.

especially if we can get a Mercedes Lewis, Owen Daniels, or Zach Miller at TE to compliment them.

Bess gets yards
MArshall gets chunks of yards

Bess is one of the best slot receivers in the NFL. He represents what's right with this offense, not what's wrong.

And it's not as if we have another player making him expendable, as Marshall is a different type of player. No way I'm getting rid of Bess.

"Ozzy wrote:

The need for speed will send Hartline to the bench. You get a Wr with some wheels and then you can move Bess and Marshall all over the place.

We'll see Ozzy, Hartline is plenty fast enough, the problem is #7 has craptacular accuracy on anything over 25 yds.

"padre31 wrote:

We'll see Ozzy, Hartline is plenty fast enough, the problem is #7 has craptacular accuracy on anything over 25 yds.

Yes, and I know Hartline could have had a sophmore slump but he was pretty inconsistant at times last year. I know he's fast enough to get behind defenders and Henne missed him on many an occassion but with a true speedster, the offense can open it up more.

That is if they take care of the most important missing link on this team. Which is the running game...

Not so much Oz, the Defense does not have to be as aware of the threat of Hartline getting open deep if Henne does not hit consistently on those passes.

There are several reasons why I do not really trust Henne as the Starting Qb, this issue is yet another one of them.

How can this thought even be considered as rational? Trade one of our best playmakers for a draft pick? We get draft picks for free every year. Its part of being an NFL franchise. Draft picks are not sure things, especially wide receivers. I don't see how any Dolphins fan can be in favor of this idea after how long it took to replace Chambers, Welker, and McMichael.

"padre31 wrote:

Not so much Oz, the Defense does not have to be as aware of the threat of Hartline getting open deep if Henne does not hit consistently on those passes.

There are several reasons why I do not really trust Henne as the Starting Qb, this issue is yet another one of them.

We know it's all Henne's fault even thou his passing is involved in Bess success, Henne throws to Bess he catches it no drops like Marshall and Hartline.

I'd hate to see Bess go, as he is my favorite current dolphin, but if we could get a 2nd for him, you have to make that trade all day.

"Garryowen wrote:

I'd hate to see Bess go, as he is my favorite current dolphin, but if we could get a 2nd for him, you have to make that trade all day.

You would trade a Wr who has had 75+ receptions each of the past two years for a 2nd round pick? He has 209 receptions in 3 years as an undrafted free agent. Why would you take your biggest success story and get rid of him? Did we learn nothing from Welker? Bess could be better than Welker.

"Phintastic wrote:

Thank God For Devon Bess. He made the pain of watching little Wes Welker Go to The Pats and excell. But I saw this posted on another forum and I was just wondering what ya'all thought.

At first I was like.......What!!!?:no: No fricking way. Then I've thought about it for a day and I'm still against it , but a small part me does see the common sense.

A Poster stated the following:

Bess and Fasano were the only real productive players we had. I still say No fricken way! But not as loud as I did yesterday.............

Love Bess and would hate to see him go anywhere.... Fasano productive but Marshall wasnt? That has to be one of the strangest quotes I have seen around here. Marshall pretty much doubled Fasano in catches and yard this year.

"padre31 wrote:

Not so much Oz, the Defense does not have to be as aware of the threat of Hartline getting open deep if Henne does not hit consistently on those passes.

There are several reasons why I do not really trust Henne as the Starting Qb, this issue is yet another one of them.

You cannot pin everything on Henne though. There were plenty of times when Henne hit Hartline in the hands and he dropped it.

I would also think that if the offense is supposed to open up, it will mean that Henne will be looking more for the deeper routes.

That is if Henne is starting which should not be etched in stone at this point.

Problem is Ozzy, Henne has not shown to be accurate down the field, it really is a problem as with his arm he should be able to hit deep stuff, but instead he is more or less a 15 yd and in passer who is not terribly accurate or anticipates very well.

Basically he is a Qb who is mismatched between physical tools and skillset, big arm who does not throw deep well, decent accuracy but who does not anticipate well enough to throw receivers open.

"GISH wrote:

You would trade a Wr who has had 75+ receptions each of the past two years for a 2nd round pick? He has 209 receptions in 3 years as an undrafted free agent. Why would you take your biggest success story and get rid of him? Did we learn nothing from Welker? Bess could be better than Welker.

We had no choice but to trade Welker. You must not remember the situation.

A 2nd round draft pick for the investment and thusfar return for a UDFA? That's a massive profit margin.

"Garryowen wrote:

We had no choice but to trade Welker. You must not remember the situation.

A 2nd round draft pick for the investment and thusfar return for a UDFA? That's a massive profit margin.

The problem with your equation is that Bess is worth more than a draft pick. This isn't real estate where you buy and sell property to make a profit. If that were the case then the Colts would be trading Peyton Manning for 4 first round picks. Thats a huge profit for them!