someone is going to overpay for him.

 

Good. Let it be somebody in the AFC East, please. Just not us.

 

They should of offered him a reasonable extension before it got to this point. I think he will get 8mil on the open market andwhile I agree about not overpaying.your talent, the reality becomes that its another need that now needs to be adressed this off season. I hope they have a plan

 

Yikes... he's nowhere near worth that, but he's probably going to get it from some desparate team. Theres quite a few teams that could use help at CB, and would gladly overpay for a big tall corner like Smith. I wish it didnt come to this, he shoulda been offered a deal long ago to avoid this. If he leaves, its another hole to fill... a huge hole really since we already have basically no depth at the position.

 

I think you can say the same for Hartline as well. Certainly shows a lack of foresight on Ireland's part. Or he doesn't think they were good enough for an extension but that doesn't really reflect well on him either.

 

Dudes an idiot. He's not a #1 CB, extension?? Lol, screw this turd.

 

Hasta la vista baby!

 

But we have all this cap room

 

I want to avoid turning this thread into a bash Ireland thread but I do think its fair to view the lack of extensions with skepticism. If he does not make some great signings it will reflect poorly on him.

 

Im so sick of hearing this. We do not have all this cap room. We have a lot of expired contracts that we need to find replacements for. What we do have is a relativily small amount of dead cap space and because of all the FAs, we have the flexability to remold the team to fit Philbins vision.

 

SO we have cap space, is what you're saying? Really, it's the same thing. I seriously doubt we'll resign any of the big names on FA list at this point. Long is gone, I think (Martin). Starks is likely dunzo (Odrick). Bush is likely dunzo (Miller). And SS isn't getting a long term deal at 8-10 million with his vertigo and hamburger helper mitts that he calls hands. At best, he gets franchised and we try to replace him this year with rookies and let them get seasoned for a year before we let him walk next year.

 

You can't really hold it against him. I mean who wouldn't want to get as much money as possible?

He can ask for 8-10 million but that doesn't mean he'll get it. Shoot high.

 

Reverse that. I wouldn't be surprised if Starks is re-signed and Odrick is the one shipped out.

Hopefully he's the only FA of ours that we re-sign.

 

I like Smith. He's a legit number one in my eyes. But not one worth this much.

 

Why would that be the case?

Odrick is under contract for 2 more years, is cheaper. Younger and has shown some good ability. It really makes no sense. Don't get me wrong, I would love to resign Starks. Hell of a player. However, I'm not seeing it. And it's disappointing. Bpk was right, we should of traded him before the deadline. I think we're going to lose him and get nothing in return.

And really... Can you imagine trading another first round pick for peanuts? Cause that's what we'll get for Odrick. Maybe a 3rd at best.

 

Really cause this is what I find when i watch Smith:

 

No way a number one guy. He's too inconsistent in coverage.

 

Interceptions are the difference between 50 and 25 million....


Good luck there Mr. Smith.

 

Right. He was also thrown at a ton. And he shut down the likes of A.J Green and Fitzgerald.

 

Very true. I had high hopes watching him in year 1. He got in position to make picks but had hands of stone. I was hopefull he would develop and fix that aspect of his play but it never happened. He is decent but not a game changer. In my mind he is a 4-6 mil corner. He may get 8 but he is not worth it.

 

Starks is a way better player and Odrick is better trade bait. People rarely trade anything worthwhile for a guy in his last contract year so I don't see that.

Maybe maybe not. I never thought we'd get a 2nd for VD. If they think Odrick is expendable and we got a 3rd or higher or something worthwhile I wouldn't mind it. We'd be ridiculously loaded for this draft. If not then we can just keep him, but I think Starks should and def could wind up staying.

 

Didn't Andre Johnson light him up? Either way, he's constantly not very good against all types of WR's. And he has NO ball skills. I've never seen a CB get beat as much as SS24, simply because he didn't look for the ball, despite having solid coverage. He's not #1 material. He's barely #2 material. He had every opportunity to get a deal truly worth 8-10 million and blew it damn near every week.

 

Yea, he did. He also shut down Fitzgerald, Lloyd and Green.

I don't agree with your post. He played well. I don't think he was bad at all. I would be OK with a Mccourty like deal. Not 8-10.

 

So what youre saying is all those 1st downs and TD's came against shorter shiftier players that he cant stick like a true #1 cb could? What youre saying is those td's and first downs came against lesser players who beat him? Yep, sounds like Sean Smith.

 

I don't think I said anything like that.

 

This situation reminds me of someone... someone who we let test his value on the market to discover he wasn;t worth what he thought.

 

I agree. This made no sense to me.. then again, it's possible Sean was committed to hitting free agency and turned down earlier overtures that we have not heard about.

It also would not surprise me if Vontae has been telling Sean how nice it is to be out of Miami, and Sean wants to shop around to pick a landing spot of his own choice.

 

Dude THAT would be my fricking dream come TRUE! We could get a true DE. But it won't happen because:

1) Ireland sppent a 1st rounder on Odrick
2) Odrick has been played out of position, so NO ONE in this league is going to look at his production and think he's worth a 1st rounder.
3) So if Ireland trades him, we definitely 'lose value' compared to when we drafted him.
4) Trading BMarsh, Vontae and Odrick within 18 months and ALL of those having been "Buy High, Sell Low" propositions would not help perception of Ireland. I think he knows his job is at stake this year. If not, he truly *is* a moron.

 

Guys. Jason Allen was a better CB.

Yah...I said it. Perspective.

 

If we don't re-sign Starks, it is absolutely non-sensical to not have traded him, imo.

And I am totally with you on the trading a 1st round player for a lower pick... again. I don't think these things are feathers in a GM's cap so much as splinters in his balls.

 

No kidding we aren't getting a 1st but the rest is def possible. Show me players who were traded for and then traded again at a higher value please.

 

I don't think Odrick is trade bait at all. I doubt you get more than a third for him.

 

My thought was to trade Starks to a team on a potential playoff push who was weak against the run. The Colts came to mind. It was about timing.

And the truth is, they could have used Starks when the Ravens' Rice and Pierce ran up 170 yards on them en route to a 24-9 playoff exit for the Colts.

 

Odrick was drafted. Not traded for. And only two years ago. And we just traded the prior year's 1st rounder for a 2nd rounder this past offseason.

 

Odrick is insurance to Starks leaving. If Starks leaves Coyle will have no choice but to put him at DT. I'm not sure why Coyle is so hesitant to put him there. Odrick has put up his biggest plays from there.

 

Goodness. If Vontae Davis would have just held his freaking urine...

 

Doesn't make it true... lol.

 

If they feel confident w what's on the roster and don't value him that much I wouldn't mind it.

They needed a lot more than Starks on both sides of the ball.

Not the point. How often do you see players traded for for more than they were acquired for? Not that often.