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Senior Bowl gives Dolphins HUGE scouting advantage

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan7171, Jan 25, 2010.

  1. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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  2. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I know that Jim Schwartz talked about really wanting to coach the Senior Bowl because he was part of it three times and he said it was such a huge advantage in evaluating players. IIRC, he was there with Tennesee in like 01 (?) and in 1998 with a team (Rams?). There was another time but I don't remember it.
     
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    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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  5. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yeah, that is one bea-uu--tee-full NFL NT body.
     
  6. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    370 is not pretty. No way he is a 3 down linemen in Miami.
     
  7. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    If by beautiful you mean fat nasty, then yes I agree.... I was once really high on Cody but have soured on him as of late. He will offer no pass rush from the NT spot and Im not sure he will be on the radar because of that
     
  8. greasyObnoxious

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    i'm a bit surprised by how many people have all but dropped Terrence Cody. by all means, this is how he looked all year. he blocked two FGs against Tennessee looking like that, and a lot of folks loved him back then. his weight didn't become an issue over night.

    it's pretty safe to assume he wasn't 365 lbs of steel at any point during his career.
     
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  9. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not sure it really functionally is a great advantage. I don't see alot of stellar drafts among Senior Bowl coaches at a brief glance.

    This, really. No one should be shocked by Cody's appearance with a shirt off or where he weighed in.
     
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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Why? Can you imagine what Shuan Rogers looks like with no shirt on?

    As for "big edge"...check out DC Nolan's drafts in SF:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/teams/49ers.html

    2005

    Alex Smith
    Frank Gore
    Ron Fields

    out of 8 picks

    2006

    Vern Davis
    Manny Lawson
    Parays Haralson

    (two #1 picks)


    Out of 9 picks

    2007

    P Willis
    Joe Staley

    (two #1 picks)

    out of 9 picks

    2008

    Kentwan Balmer
    Chilo Rachel
    Josh Morgan

    out of 7 picks

    Basically Ted Nolan and the 49ers talent evaluation team did not greatly benefit from coaching the Senior Bowl, quite the opposite, they basically hit on their #1 picks and not a whole lot else.
     
  11. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Jarrett Brown....Miami is gonna get a good look at him. Wouldnt mind them taking him later in the draft at all....
     
  12. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Seniorbowl day one recap

    http://www.nfldraftbible.com/NFL-Insider-Insider-info/seniorbowldayonerecap.html


    -- Alabama defensive tackle Terrence Cody was massive at this morning's weigh-in process as he came in at 6040, 370 pounds with 11 1/4" hands... he would be wise to drop down towards the 350-355 range over the coming weeks as there were some sighs and grins among the NFL evaluators in attendance.

    -- USC defensive back Taylor Mays was jacked up and may have passed this morning's "Eye Test" as good if not better than anyone, but after weighing in at 235 pounds, many scouts are whispering that he might fit best up at OLB in the NFL after struggling in pass coverage at times during his college career.
     
  13. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Riverdale High School (my Alama Mata) fat guys FTW!
     
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  14. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Padre, I don't get it, have the 49ers coached the senior bowl every year?
     
  15. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    SF coached 3 of those years not all 4.

    Here are the ratios of players taken by the respective teams that played in the game. I did this quickly so I may have missed a couple. Now these are just picks. I made no judgments on whether the picks were good or not.

    05
    Oakland 2 out of 7
    Tampa Bay 5 out of 12

    06
    SF 4 out of 9
    Tenn 1 out of 10

    07
    Tampa Bay 3 out of 10
    SF 6 out of 9

    08
    SF 2 out of 6
    Oakland 0 out of 5

    09
    Cincy 3 out of 11
    Jax 2 out of 9

    So it seems that while it may vary by coaching staff, a fairly high percentage of the players in the game end up being taken by one of the teams that coached there. Nolan's staffs seemed inclined to take a higher percentage than most. It wouldn't surprise me much if Sparano's staff also followed that tendency.
     
  16. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    WE LOVE MOUNT CODY

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  17. padre31

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    Nolan would have been there for all 4 drafts though Rafi?

    And I don't doubt a player or three ends up on the Dolphins, but what I am saying is most of the time it is not a huge advantage.

    Imvho, Sparano and Ireland and Gaine will make it work to our advantage.
     
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  19. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Nolan was on Oakland or Tampa's staff in 05 so he wouldn't have had that advantage he's talking about.

    As for an advantage, I believe that it should give you a better idea about what the players habits, demeanor and capabilities are. This is similar to how watching more film may give you more information. But even with more information you could still make bad choices.
     
  20. padre31

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    I included all of Nolan Drafts simply to give some flavor to the point that despite Nolan and Co coaching the Sr Bowl his draft classes were not noticiably better than when he did not coach the Sr Bowl.
     
  21. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Okay, now I understand why you included that year.

    As for whether it worked out or not it's hard to say. I think you'd have to look at what the team needed and what other options were available. Maybe it made him fall in love with a prospect at the game and pass on a better option who didn't play in the game. Who knows?

    I think the advantage is that you have more information about the players there. What you do with that information may or may not return a benefit.
     

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