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SI: Cameron on Gase, RT17 & The Offense

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  1. Galant

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    "Jordan Cameron Q&A: On Ryan Tannehill's new vibe and the Adam Gase effect


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    • Same Old Dolphins? Not so fast, says tight end Jordan Cameron, who's very confident in how his offense, led by Ryan Tannehill, will perform under new coach Adam Gase.


    BEN BASKIN
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    About a week before the start of the 2016 NFL season,
    Sports Illustrated caught up with Dolphins tight end Jordan Cameron in Davie, Fla. shortly before one of the team's final off-season practices. Cameron, a six-year veteran and former Pro Bowler, is entering into his second season with Miami after four with the Browns. The tight end spoke with SI about the growth he has seen from quarterback Ryan Tannehill this off-season, the process of learning a new offense, why exactly new head coach Adam Gase is considered an “offensive guru” and the team's confidence level heading into a year when most pundits do not regard the Dolphins as contenders.

    Ben Baskin: There has been a lot of talk this off-season about the growth of your quarterback, Ryan Tannehill. When you compare this past off-season to last year, your first season with the Dolphins, what changes would you say you've noticed from Ryan?

    Jordan Cameron: I think it’s subtle, but it’s just the way that he carries himself and the way he talks in the huddle. Even his demeanor on the field, it is just more confident. It’s not like a, “He is doing exactly this, and that is why he is more confident.” It’s hard to even describe what exactly it is. I know everyone uses the word ‘swag’ and I think it’s a terrible word, but he has more of that this year, whatever you want to call that. And that has definitely been noticeable for us as a team. It’s just more of a feeling, more of a vibe, that is different. But you can just feel that energy.


    BB: Where would you say that this subtle change is being derived from?


    JC: I think it’s really a combination of a lot of things. He’s been given the reigns of the offense this year, and has been given that ability to be in control. So he had to step into that role. And I think he is. Plus, Coach Gase is giving him confidence. Coach Gase will get you comfortable just from the things he says. Even though you might think you can't beat the guy on this play, he’ll say, “You’ll beat him on this route,” and so you’ll say to yourself, You know what, maybe I will. He does that a lot with Ryan. Good coaches know how to motivate and give players confidence.


    BB: How has Ryan’s added confidence manifested this year, either on the field or off?

    JC: I’d say he is definitely more vocal in the [offensive team] meetings. This offense requires him to have more say, because he’s the one out there doing it, he’s the one making the throws, he’s the one who will ultimately see the [defensive] look and tell us what he wants us to do. So it really helps for us [as an offense] to have that communication and get on the same page on different routes in the new offense, and Ryan has been great at that so far. Just yesterday I ran a route, and he just told me to do it slightly different, to go at the guy this way, instead of taking it inside. There are just these little things that probably don’t mean that much to the outside world, but I’ll know exactly what he’s talking about and I’ll change that the next time I run that route.


    BB: There has been a lot of talk of the different responsibilities Tannehill has been given this year that he hasn’t had in years past, like having the ability to make changes at the line, call an audible, change a route concept, etc. Obviously there will be an adjustment period with that, but what has that progression been like for him this off-season?


    JC: I think that [idea] has been blown up. He has been able to make play changes at the line before. It’s just different this year. Different offenses allow you to do different things. I wouldn’t say that he has more control, but now he has more opportunities to change the play and more reigns of the offense. Coach Gase trusts his players. He’ll ask us point blank, “What do you think about this? What do you think we should do?” So it’s more of a back-and-forth, and not as much as a “do this” or “do that.” And [NFL players] like that. Or at least the façade of that. There are a lot of egos in football, so it gets tough. Sometimes you do have to be very blunt [as a coach], and say “do this” or “do that.” It is a very fine line between trust and giving a guy too much leeway or too much leverage. But [Gase] does a good job of finding that balance.


    BB: Speaking of Adam Gase, there is always the description of him as an offensive guru or a quarterback whisperer. How would you describe his offensive system? What is the secret sauce?

    JC: I think the biggest thing is that he’s simple. People put so much effort into the X’s and O’s these days and the idea that you have to trick [defenses] now. But Coach Gase just knows his stuff, knows his system, knows it’s going to work, and executes it. It is more black and white. There are no maybes. It’s “You’re going to do this”and“You’re going to do that.” You know what you’re doing, and that allows you to play fast, which is the key. When someone you believe in is calling the plays, you’re going to be able to play faster.

    BB: How long does it take to get on the same page with your quarterback on route concepts and other things like that, and where would you say you guys are at learning this new offense?


    JC: Right now there are hand signals, a lot of talking, a lot of yelling—the non-verbal changes [at the line of scrimmage] will come later. But there’s definitely a lot of communication now, because we don’t really huddle that much. When we do huddle, obviously [Ryan] is telling us the play. But when we rush to the line of scrimmage there’s a lot of looking at Ryan, and he’ll look at the defense and then he’ll let us know what we got. If we’re not huddling and Ryan is at the line of scrimmage, if he sees a different defensive look, he’ll have the opportunity to change the signal and make it a different play based off of what he sees. That comes with the added control he’s been given. Coach Gase came from being with Peyton Manning for a while. So he is used to having someone have that control over his offense. And Ryan is doing a pretty good job with that. We’ll only get more comfortable [as the season goes on.]


    BB: On this team in years past, it seemed like everyone’s job—especially Tannehill’s—was constantly being talked about as being in jeopardy, or them being “on the hot seat.” So far this year it seems that Adam Gase has tried to make it very clear that he supports the guys on the team that are here now. What has that done for the confidence of the guys on this team and especially the quarterback?

    JC: If you think about it, in anyone’s personal life, if your boss is kind of like,“Eh, we feel kind of good about you,”I don’t think you’re going to go out there and do the best you can do. But if your boss is like, “I believe in this guy, I trust this guy,” that gives you confidence in and of itself right there. You’ll be like, “I got this,”if your coach believes in you. Because he’s the one that calls the shots, and he believes in me, so I got this. And you'll play better like that. But if [your boss] is timid, or saying “Eh, maybe he is, maybe he isn’t,” or he’s giving shoulder shrugs, to me that is bull crap. [With Ryan], you have to say, he’s our guy, we paid him as such, he’s played great so far, he’s been sacked a million times and he still has had top-three QB numbers for the first four years of his career. [Ed. note: Only two other QBs, Peyton Manning and Dan Marino, have thrown for more yards than Tannehill’s 15,460 over the first four years of their careers.] You have to go with those things and trust him. And that’s what coach Gase has done. It sucks because the media, we all know how it works. They need stories, so there are negative things being said. But Ryan has done a good job of knowing not to buy into that crap and to believe in coach Gase and what coach Gase has been telling him.


    BB: It’s clear that the offensive line has improved pretty drastically this year. How have you seen that help Ryan so far?


    JC: I haven’t talked to him about that, but he has to feel it. Before, there was the pressure of getting back there and thinking, Oh crap, who’s coming to get me? Now he can make his read, now he can [go through his] progressions. It just slows the game down a lot. Now he can really just play quarterback and not have to think about getting hit or having to duck a guy. He’s more relaxed in the pocket and you can tell.


    BB: Any parting thoughts going into this season?

    JC: The main thing is that we are confident in our abilities. A lot of people might overlook us and think that we are going to be the same old Dolphins. But I think it is a little different inside of this building now and where our mindset is and where we think we can go. I’m not going to make any predictions, but we are confident in what we got and I think we will show it when we go up to Seattle."
     
  2. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Nice. Now show me.
     
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  3. Rock Sexton

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    BB: There has been a lot of talk of the different responsibilities Tannehill has been given this year that he hasn’t had in years past, like having the ability to make changes at the line, call an audible, change a route concept, etc. Obviously there will be an adjustment period with that, but what has that progression been like for him this off-season?

    JC: I think that [idea] has been blown up. He has been able to make play changes at the line before. It’s just different this year. Different offenses allow you to do different things. I wouldn’t say that he has more control, but now he has more opportunities to change the play and more reigns of the offense. Coach Gase trusts his players. He’ll ask us point blank, “What do you think about this? What do you think we should do?” So it’s more of a back-and-forth, and not as much as a “do this” or “do that.” And [NFL players] like that. Or at least the façade of that. There are a lot of egos in football, so it gets tough. Sometimes you do have to be very blunt [as a coach], and say “do this” or “do that.” It is a very fine line between trust and giving a guy too much leeway or too much leverage. But [Gase] does a good job of finding that balance.
     
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  4. MikeHoncho

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    *unzips
     
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  5. firedan

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    I'm more concerned with Jordan Cameron than Tanny or Gase right now.
     
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  6. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    I was about to post that excerpt. Very interesting.
     
  7. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Did you miss this?
     
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  8. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    I feel like he was allowed to do something between nothing and Peyton Manning level audibles. Apologists are acting like he was not allowed to do anything. Do they really believe that or are they just upset that he didn't have the type of freedom Peyton Manning had?
     
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  9. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    They HAVE to push it...they have no other choice than to admit our QB has struggled on a personal level. We can't have that at this point....they are already too far invested to admit anything.

    Again, McDonalds existence of the fish filet made me fat..had nothing to do with ME.
     
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  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    No. We were told specifically what he was allowed to do in Club. And it wasn't audible.

    Again, dozens of other coaches and players have said he was shackled by not being allowed to change the play. One guy kind of counters that and then basically walks it back in the same paragraph, and its used as proof of something.
     
  11. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    He also said he felt like it was blown out of proportion in the same paragraph.
     
  12. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Everyone knows he was allowed to audible, it was just to a different variation of that play.Still a disadvantage....but not all that rare. But you still have the Tannelovas saying "audible" because that blanket EXCUSE sounds so much better.

    Stupid KFC mad me fat, not my fault they sell it.
     
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  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Sigh.

    Yes, i know what he said. I pointed out that he also walked that back later in the same paragraph.

    Mind you many other players and coaches have said something different, but you guys don't care......cause narrative.
     
  14. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Narrative - just like you having your own as well.

    When we have had an abundance of player/coaches never as having spoken about this now, you only choose to believe the ones who say he had little-to-no ability. So why do you point fingers at others?
     
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  15. Rock Sexton

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    When you sit and think about it, why would anyone give a QB who's only been in any singular system 1-2 years the ability to select any play he wanted ....... especially given the fact that he wasn't a savvy veteran? Giving him "sets" of plays makes more sense to me as you lead up to that level of playbook mastery.

    It's called risk mitigation and it's not the mindless act it's been painted as. You don't want the kid swimming in his head when he hasn't learned the entire ins-and-outs of that playbook.
     
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  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Before the crying starts, if it hasn't already.....being able to audible doesn't mean calling any play at any time. It means being able to call a different play then one the one you're currently set up in. I also didn't say it was rare to not have that power.
     
  17. Fin-O

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    While Im not opposed to throwing the kitchen sink as far as responsibility to a QB you invested a top 10 pick on in his 3rd and 4th seasons, I also think it say's something that Lazor didn't want him to change the plays at the LOS.

    Ofcourse its GOT TO BE the coaches fault, OL fault, the tooth fairy's fault, and Mike Wallace's fault Ryan has underperformed thus far. But once he starts to play well this season these guy's do not have the maturity or aptitude to say anything other than "see he's always been great". In their small minds they will believe it wasn't him improving in any aspect it was his surroundings.

    We've already seen signs of such ignorance...and I HOPE I get to see them around here all year long.
     
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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Its real simple.....

    When Thill has at least 3 good lineman playing their positions....he's a Top 10 QB in the league. Fact.

    If he doesn't have that, then give him a way to counter a poor line, like a running game or being able to audible out pf play. That's all anyone is saying.

    Why that gets spun into all the bull**** is insane.

    I mena if that's an excuse or whatever, then it should be a relatively simple matter of showing a QB that has succeeded/thrived/etc. under those same handcuffs of a bad oline, no audibles and the team abandons the run. If those are excuses where are all the QBs that do it?

    I mean there's a QB that couldn't audible and had a poor oline but his team ran the ball the 4th highest total and 1 st in rushing yards. So that doesn't count since its missing one of the 3 requirements.

    Further why does that simple concept make so many so angry?
     
  19. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    You really felt compelled to explain that? As-if I ever meant anything other than the audible topic smdh.

    He had that option, but it wasn't the whole playbook he could choose from, instead it was sets of plays based on the down/distance. ...... but please, by all means continue bloviating to your hearts content.
     
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  20. Fin-O

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    1st game of the season last year we had a healthy OL against a very average defense.

    We scored 10 offensive points.


    But but but but but but but....Shaddup
     
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  21. Fin-O

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    He was allowed to audible from variations of the play called, not change the play in its entirety. I wouldn't want a QB if I didn't trust him to do those things, so I put that on the staff.

    And make no mistake, IT WAS ME that last season began bringing up the fact Ryan couldn't change the play at the LOS as being a disadvantage. And the excuses and the guy's who make them were already going strong with the abundance of other areas that was struggling and poor Ryan simply was victimized.

    The guy has made improvements steadily up until last season. But make no mistake he needed to improve and needs to do so this season or he may be out of Miami.

    And while I think he will make strides, I've been wrong before..specifically last season where I truly believed we had a QB who could be a top 10 QB, and I was simply wrong. So this year Im just going with he will be better and not getting my hopes up only to be let down. Now? I must see it before i believe it.
     
  22. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not true. And I find it disingenuous you take the word of that person and praise him yet ignore something he very specifically said. He was allowed to audible. Flat out. Even Cameron is up there saying, this is a BS topic that's been blown up.
     
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  23. jdang307

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    Even Manning and Rodgers are limited in their Audible powers. They run a check with me system. They come up with 3-4 plays they would audible to depending on down and distance and looks. You can't have QBs just calling any play they want it's too disorganized.

    The plays Rodgers and Manning would audible to would have been determined beforehand between the qb and OC. It's not that much different except for one thing.

    The difference between Lazor and other systems Is what Cameron describes. Lazor is like F U and wouldn't take into account Tanny's input. Run this play and shut up.

    That is definitely a difference.
     
  24. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I wish you'd stop lying. I know why you're doing it, you want me to spill exactly what was told to us in Club so I'll get kicked out.

    But you're lying.

    Audibling is calling a different play. That's not what he was allowed to do. You know it, i know it. Stop lying.
     
  25. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Its dramatically different and you know the truth.

    No one. NO ONE has been saying Thill should be able to call whatever play he wanted. No onme. NO ONE has said that there shouldn't be designated plays agreed to before hand.

    Its so goddamned annoying that you guys just lie all the goddamned time about everything. You make up facts and make up what the other side is saying.

    You and your cronies are why this site has issues.
     
  26. danmarino

    danmarino Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is. Club Member

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    Hey FinD...would you mind sending me a link to the thread you're referring to? I can't find it...
     
  27. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I don't have it because it was pretty far back.
     
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  28. vt_dolfan

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    Just imagine little people on donkeys...
     
  29. vt_dolfan

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    Honestly... I think the whole confusion over this is because everyone defines Audible differently. If I go to the line of scrimmage with a run play called...I may have a pass option to change to if the coverage presents itself. But it's a very limited pass option. I can't change routes.. Etc. It's an audible.... But not in the sense we think of when say Peyton gets to the line and calls an audible.

    17 just has much more creative control now when he audibles. He can adjust routes... It's not.. OK option A, or B pick one.

    But all of that really isn't why he has more control of the offense this season. That comes from the fact that unlike in the past.. He actually is part of the game planning. He gets to chose plays he likes... And Gase actually listens to him. 17 now expects the WRs to know all the routes... Not just their routes. He's much more closer to a real field general then he was allowed in the past.
     
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  30. Finster

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    This just validates what I have suspected, it was QB17 that was responsible for our lack of run game, different HCs, different OCs, yet same result, who is the common denominator? QB17, because just like on any team, the QB can change the play.

    Maybe Dan gave some Dan advice to a guy who is not Dan...? :shifty:
     
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  31. cbrad

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    27 more hours before this "lack of audible" excuse can no longer be used .. I mean everyone seems to agree Gase will give Tannehill the necessary freedom.

    And if preseason is any indication the same is true for having at least average pass protection. Also can't use a "needs more years in the league" excuse. What's left? I guess we'll see..

    I think any excuses after this season are simply untenable. 27 more hours.
     
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  32. Stringer Bell

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    We will probably cycle back to skill positions. Reality is that you can make excuses and justifications for everyone. It usually just comes down to who fans are emotionally invested/divested in.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
     
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  33. jdang307

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    I have it. And you'll see what I mean and what you think about Fin D calling me a liar. I'll PM you.
     
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  34. jdang307

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    That's my point. He could always audible. The thing is, he wasn't involved in the design of the offense. Lazor said F your input, run this. You're going to run this and you're going to like it.
     
  35. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I really do wonder what goes on in your head sometimes. I'm just amazed by your behavior.

    Anyway, I know the truth. It's there in the Club for everyone to see. I don't need to sit behind insults.
     
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  36. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    How convenient.
     
  37. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Amen. Need to put that baby to bed already.

    100% right.

    I stopped being invested in singular players once Marino retired. He was the only one worthy of it as far as I'm concerned.
     
  38. cbrad

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    Well good you have the link because us non-club members don't know who to believe here. I would really appreciate it if other club members could read the link and just tell us who is correct on this.
     
  39. Stringer Bell

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  40. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    Eventually but learning a new offense will be the excuse du jour.
     

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