SI: Cameron on Gase, RT17 & The Offense

"Fin D wrote:

I wish you'd stop lying. I know why you're doing it, you want me to spill exactly what was told to us in Club so I'll get kicked out.

But you're a lying.

Audibling is calling a different play. That's not what he was allowed to do. You know it, i know it. Stop lying.

Hey FinD...would you mind sending me a link to the thread you're referring to? I can't find it...

I don't have it because it was pretty far back.

"MikeHoncho wrote:

*unzips

Just imagine little people on donkeys...

"jdang307 wrote:

Not true. And I find it disingenuous you take the word of that person and praise him yet ignore something he very specifically said. He was allowed to audible. Flat out. Even Cameron is up there saying, this is a BS topic that's been blown up.

Honestly... I think the whole confusion over this is because everyone defines Audible differently. If I go to the line of scrimmage with a run play called...I may have a pass option to change to if the coverage presents itself. But it's a very limited pass option. I can't change routes.. Etc. It's an audible.... But not in the sense we think of when say Peyton gets to the line and calls an audible.

17 just has much more creative control now when he audibles. He can adjust routes... It's not.. OK option A, or B pick one.

But all of that really isn't why he has more control of the offense this season. That comes from the fact that unlike in the past.. He actually is part of the game planning. He gets to chose plays he likes... And Gase actually listens to him. 17 now expects the WRs to know all the routes... Not just their routes. He's much more closer to a real field general then he was allowed in the past.

This just validates what I have suspected, it was QB17 that was responsible for our lack of run game, different HCs, different OCs, yet same result, who is the common denominator? QB17, because just like on any team, the QB can change the play.

Maybe Dan gave some Dan advice to a guy who is not Dan...? :shifty:

27 more hours before this "lack of audible" excuse can no longer be used .. I mean everyone seems to agree Gase will give Tannehill the necessary freedom.

And if preseason is any indication the same is true for having at least average pass protection. Also can't use a "needs more years in the league" excuse. What's left? I guess we'll see..

I think any excuses after this season are simply untenable. 27 more hours.

"cbrad wrote:

27 more hours before this "lack of audible" excuse can no longer be used .. I mean everyone seems to agree Gase will give Tannehill the necessary freedom.

And if preseason is any indication the same is true for having at least average pass protection. Also can't use a "needs more years in the league" excuse. What's left? I guess we'll see..

I think any excuses after this season are simply untenable. 27 more hours.

We will probably cycle back to skill positions. Reality is that you can make excuses and justifications for everyone. It usually just comes down to who fans are emotionally invested/divested in.

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"danmarino wrote:

Hey FinD...would you mind sending me a link to the thread you're referring to? I can't find it...

I have it. And you'll see what I mean and what you think about Fin D calling me a liar. I'll PM you.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Honestly... I think the whole confusion over this is because everyone defines Audible differently. If I go to the line of scrimmage with a run play called...I may have a pass option to change to if the coverage presents itself. But it's a very limited pass option. I can't change routes.. Etc. It's an audible.... But not in the sense we think of when say Peyton gets to the line and calls an audible.

17 just has much more creative control now when he audibles. He can adjust routes... It's not.. OK option A, or B pick one.

But all of that really isn't why he has more control of the offense this season. That comes from the fact that unlike in the past.. He actually is part of the game planning. He gets to chose plays he likes... And Gase actually listens to him. 17 now expects the WRs to know all the routes... Not just their routes. He's much more closer to a real field general then he was allowed in the past.

That's my point. He could always audible. The thing is, he wasn't involved in the design of the offense. Lazor said F your input, run this. You're going to run this and you're going to like it.

"Fin D wrote:

I wish you'd stop lying. I know why you're doing it, you want me to spill exactly what was told to us in Club so I'll get kicked out.

But you're a lying.

Audibling is calling a different play. That's not what he was allowed to do. You know it, i know it. Stop lying.

I really do wonder what goes on in your head sometimes. I'm just amazed by your behavior.

Anyway, I know the truth. It's there in the Club for everyone to see. I don't need to sit behind insults.

"Fin D wrote:

I wish you'd stop lying. I know why you're doing it, you want me to spill exactly what was told to us in Club so I'll get kicked out.

"Fin D wrote:

I don't have it because it was pretty far back.

How convenient.

"cbrad wrote:

27 more hours before this "lack of audible" excuse can no longer be used .. I mean everyone seems to agree Gase will give Tannehill the necessary freedom.

And if preseason is any indication the same is true for having at least average pass protection. Also can't use a "needs more years in the league" excuse. What's left? I guess we'll see..

I think any excuses after this season are simply untenable. 27 more hours.

Amen. Need to put that baby to bed already.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

We will probably cycle back to skill positions. Reality is that you can make excuses and justifications for everyone. It usually just comes down to who fans are emotionally invested/divested in.

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100% right.

I stopped being invested in singular players once Marino retired. He was the only one worthy of it as far as I'm concerned.

"jdang307 wrote:

I have it. And you'll see what I mean and what you think about Fin D calling me a liar. I'll PM you.

Well good you have the link because us non-club members don't know who to believe here. I would really appreciate it if other club members could read the link and just tell us who is correct on this.

Guys, this is a great time to consider eliminating any skeletons in your closet:

http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88261

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"Stringer Bell wrote:

We will probably cycle back to skill positions. Reality is that you can make excuses and justifications for everyone. It usually just comes down to who fans are emotionally invested/divested in.

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Eventually but learning a new offense will be the excuse du jour.

"jdang307 wrote:

I really do wonder what goes on in your head sometimes. I'm just amazed by your behavior.

Anyway, I know the truth. It's there in the Club for everyone to see. I don't need to sit behind insults.

I pm'ed him the gist of what was told to us.

"cbrad wrote:

27 more hours before this "lack of audible" excuse can no longer be used .. I mean everyone seems to agree Gase will give Tannehill the necessary freedom.

And if preseason is any indication the same is true for having at least average pass protection. Also can't use a "needs more years in the league" excuse. What's left? I guess we'll see..

I think any excuses after this season are simply untenable. 27 more hours.

Its not an excuse. Its a reason.

"cbrad wrote:

27 more hours before this "lack of audible" excuse can no longer be used .. I mean everyone seems to agree Gase will give Tannehill the necessary freedom.

And if preseason is any indication the same is true for having at least average pass protection. Also can't use a "needs more years in the league" excuse. What's left? I guess we'll see..

I think any excuses after this season are simply untenable. 27 more hours.

Yes, because reasons are excuses.

What happens if the pass protection ends up abysmal again this year?

So what I'm gathering from this thread is the truth is neither black or white, and is rather somewhere in between..

Crazy thought. Must be cold at those poles everyone is sitting at.

"resnor wrote:

Yes, because reasons are excuses.

What happens if the pass protection ends up abysmal again this year?

Then I predict it'll be used as an excuse.

Personally, I prefer a QB that can rise above his circumstances. And in general I prefer to take responsibility than saying I can't succeed because my environment. People can change their environment to some degree you know and that's true for QB's.

Anyway, for me this is absolutely the last year I'll entertain the idea Tannehill should be our QB if he doesn't produce at an above average level. Doesn't have to be elite but I want to think of our QB as a reason we win and not just another player on the team because I think it's MUCH harder to win by getting all the other pieces right in this salary cap era than getting the QB position right and having some deficiencies elsewhere.

"cbrad wrote:

Then I predict it'll be used as an excuse.

Personally, I prefer a QB that can rise above his circumstances. And in general I prefer to take responsibility than saying I can't succeed because my environment. People can change their environment to some degree you know and that's true for QB's.

Anyway, for me this is absolutely the last year I'll entertain the idea Tannehill should be our QB if he doesn't produce at an above average level. Doesn't have to be elite but I want to think of our QB as a reason we win and not just another player on the team because I think it's MUCH harder to get all the other pieces right in the salary cap era than getting the QB position right.

Which is specifically why I've asked time and time and time again, what QB has ever rose above a bad oline, no commitment to the run and not being allowed to audible.

Until you people provide examples of those QBs than you're expecting Thill to do something never done before.

Why is this so difficult?

"Fin D wrote:

Which is specifically why I've asked time and time and time again, what QB has ever rose above a bad oline, no commitment to the run and not being allowed to audible.

Until you people provide examples of those QBs than you're expecting Thill to do something never done before.

Why is this so difficult?

Because it is a non sequitor.

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"Fin D wrote:

Which is specifically why I've asked time and time and time again, what QB has ever rose above a bad oline, no commitment to the run and not being allowed to audible.

Until you people provide examples of those QBs than you're expecting Thill to do something never done before.

Why is this so difficult?

Let's just say I think it's untenable to suggest if we had one of the elite QB's during the last 4 years that we wouldn't have made the playoffs at least twice, all other things being equal.

Point is, it's much harder to win the SB the way the Ravens did with Dilfer (Tannehill's way better than Dilfer, but the point remains) than the way most SB's are being won nowadays, namely with above average QB's.

I mean.. Dilfer became the first SB winning QB that was released after a SB win!! Shows you the Ravens thought they needed to improve there too. And he didn't make any major errors in the playoffs that year.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

Because it is a non sequitor.

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No the **** it isn't.

If Thill should be able to rise above these handcuffs than who else ever has?

For god's sake what is wrong with you people?

If he had no arms and no legs, would you guys expect him to produce like Marino?

"cbrad wrote:

Let's just say I think it's untenable to suggest if we had one of the elite QB's during the last 4 years that we wouldn't have made the playoffs at least twice, all other things being equal.

Point is, it's much harder to win the SB the way the Ravens did with Dilfer (Tannehill's way better than Dilfer, but the point remains) than the way most SB's are being won nowadays, namely with above average QB's.

I mean.. Dilfer became the first SB winning QB that was released after the SB win!! Shows you the Ravens thought they needed to improve there too. And he didn't make any major errors in the playoffs that year.

It defies the odds of probability that an NFL QB could be a victim of circumstance for 5 consecutive seasons and multiple coaching staffs.

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