So...what's our draft positioning situation?

"Gunner wrote:

Current order with updated SOS:

1 Carolina 2-13 .575 2-14
2 Denver 4-11 .508 ?
3Cincinnati 4-11 .579 4-12
4 Buffalo 4-11 .583 4-12
5 Arizona 5-10 .458 ?
6 San Francisco 5-10 .492 ?
7 Dallas 5-10 .521 ?
8 Houston 5-10 .525 ?
9 Detroit 5-10 .550 6-10
10Cleveland 5-10 .575 5-11
11 Seattle 6-9 .488 ?
12 Tennessee 6-9 .504 ?
13 Washington 6-9 .513 ?
14 Minnesota 6-9 .542 6-10
15 New England (from Oakland) 7-8 .471 8-8
16 Miami 7-8 .538 7-9

After the early games, it looks like Oakland did us a favor by winning. Detroit beat Minnesota, so that sucks. Go Tennessee and Washington!

Yep, we moved ahead of Oak/NE ... Tenn is tied & Wash is down by 3 ... looks like we'll be picking 15th still though because their SOS will only go down if they win their games.

So we're #15.

Tennessee is giving Indy a real fight.

Wow. Terrible year to be #15 and in need of a QB. There are, what, at least four teams ahead of us who need a QB?

"Desides wrote:

Wow. Terrible year to be #15 and in need of a QB. There are, what, at least four teams ahead of us who need a QB?

Well, let's see:

1 Carolina - They really need a QB, despite having drafted Clasussen
2 Denver 4-11 - Will they stick with Tebow?
3Cincinnati 4-11 - Will they stick with Carson Palmer? If not, do they draft a QB?
4 Buffalo 4-11 Really need a QB bad.
5 Arizona 5-10 Really need a QB bad
6 San Francisco Really need a QB bad
7 Dallas 5-10 Happy with Romo
8 Houston 5-10 Happy with Schaub
9 Detroit 5-10 Happy with Stafford
10Cleveland Happy with McCoy?
11 Seattle 6-9 Might draft a QB. Hasselbeck is old
12 Tennessee 6-9 Sticking with McNair
13 Washington 6-9 Really need a QB bad
14 Minnesota 6-9 Really need a QB bad
15 New England (from Oakland) 7-8 .471 8-8
16 Miami 7-8 .538 7-9

So, by my estimation, at least 6 teams ahead of us really need a QB bad and another 2 or 3 might go QB as well. That sucks!

I see maybe five.

Five is still a lot!

I think Buffalo sticks with Fitzpatrick.

I seriously doubt Gabbert will be there at 15, and he's the only 1st round guy I'd want outside of Luck. Newton won't be there and we won't trade up for him. Locker isn't worth a crap, and IMO 15 will be too high to take Mallett. I don't think a QB this year is in our cards.

My only hope is the Rams win tonight so that they're not drafting ahead of us where they can snag Blackmon or Julio.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Wow. That's a really good point. Counter-intuitive, but makes sense to me. Those later rounds are crucial!

and to keep things going for the Fins we are going to be the on 7-9 (unless the rams lose)... lol

"ckparrothead wrote:

So we're #15.

I guess if seattle wins and we end up tied with the Rams we would alternate with them through the later rounds. so would have the 14th pick in the 4th and 6th rounds instead of the 15th in each of those rounds... :)

We are now in full draft mode.

"gardenhead wrote:

well, let's see:

1 carolina - they really need a qb, despite having drafted clasussen
2 denver 4-11 - will they stick with tebow?
3cincinnati 4-11 - will they stick with carson palmer? If not, do they draft a qb?
4 buffalo 4-11 really need a qb bad.
5 arizona 5-10 really need a qb bad
6 san francisco really need a qb bad
7 dallas 5-10 happy with romo
8 houston 5-10 happy with schaub
9 detroit 5-10 happy with stafford
10cleveland happy with mccoy?
11 seattle 6-9 might draft a qb. Hasselbeck is old
12 tennessee 6-9 sticking with mcnair
13 washington 6-9 really need a qb bad
14 minnesota 6-9 really need a qb bad
15 new england (from oakland) 7-8 .471 8-8
16 miami 7-8 .538 7-9

so, by my estimation, at least 6 teams ahead of us really need a qb bad and another 2 or 3 might go qb as well. That sucks!

huh?

Oops! Wrong black guy!!! I meant Vince Young!

not funny.

OK so I think this is it order wise and the rest is just off the top of my head at 1.15 on a Monday am. This is no attempt at a mock, this is not based on real in depth research of teams needs, etc., beyond what I know from some cursory note taking and my own eyes.

1. Carolina - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford
2. Denver - Marcel Dareus - DT - Alabama
3. Bengals - Da'Quan Bowers - DE - Clemson
4. Buffalo - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5. Arizona - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn (rumours they're dealing for Kolb)
6. San Fran - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
7. Dallas - Patrick Peterson - CB - LSU
8. Houston - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
9. Detroit - Anthony Castonzo - OT - BC
10. Cleveland - Justin Blackmon - WR - OSU
11. Seattle - Robert Quinn - North Carolina - DE
12. Tennessee - Tank Carder - LB -TCU
13. Washington - Ryan Mallett - QB - Arkansas
14. Minnesota - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
15. Miami - ..............

You could have Julio Jones, Ryan Broyles, Michael Floyd, Jon Baldwin at WR. Mark Ingram or Ryan Williams at TB. You want to shore up that OL, then Gabe Carimi would be a terrific RT, Aldon Smith and Akeem Ayers are brilliant LB's. Clayborn's still there. Wisniewski would be high for him, but it's a potential need. You could swing down 10 spots, get back in round 2 and still take Broyles who's as much of a DeSean Jackson clone as I've seen. Maybe pick up Kendall Hunter in 2. But Carolina, maybe Cincy, Arizona, San Fran, Seattle, Skins and Vikes all need QB's.

MAYBE McNabb goes to Minny. Palmer stays in Cincy. Maybe the Cards like Skelton enough but there IS that Kolb trade talk. Matt Flynn is a back up some teams like and could trade for. But for the best 3 QB's, Luck, Gabbert and Newton......Miami stands not a chance IMO.

Brandon Weeden of OSU is the x factor in all this. He's 27. Age and the shoulder that forced him to quit baseball are issues. But he's a ****ing good QB.

I think Tank Carder may try and stay. Aren't TCU playing in the Big East next year? That's a BCS conference, if they go undefeated in the Big East like they did this year, they're in the Championship Game. He may be thinking along those lines, just thinking. If he comes out I agree that's where he could go.

Boomer or CK what are your thought on Pouncey?

And

Where do you think Weeden goes in the draft? I read that he got a 4th round grade but I find that hard to believe. Would it be reasonable to assume that if the Fins traded down to the late first and recouped a 2nd that they could go Pouncey and Weeden in the first 2 rounds?

Robert Quinn at #11? Really? On the danger of being crucified on the stand: No way anyone should touch the kid in round 1. None whatsoever.

Boomer- I don't see a scenario when von miller doesn't go in top fifteen. If.this scenario pans out then we must trade down. Would denver bite on a trade that would send our first to denver for orton and both of their 2nds. Seems fair. Send them will allen if you have to

Mark Ingram if we stay at fifteen

"Stretch wrote:

Mark Ingram if we stay at fifteen

Mark Ingram does nothing to make this team better.

"mroz wrote:

Mark Ingram does nothing to make this team better.

I think that's absolutely not true.

"Frayser wrote:

I think that's absolutely not true.

Well I think it is... so there... :)

Seriously, I think Ingram is going to be a good back in the NFL. However, what the Fins need is a game breaker. A guy that can take it to the house on any given play and that is not Ingram. Ingram is just one of those three yards and a cloud of dust RB's... That is not what Miami needs right now. AND all that aside, who is going to keep the defenses from stacking the box and who is going to block for him?