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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by GARDENHEAD, Dec 26, 2010.
OK so I think this is it order wise and the rest is just off the top of my head at 1.15 on a Monday am. This is no attempt at a mock, this is not based on real in depth research of teams needs, etc., beyond what I know from some cursory note taking and my own eyes.
1. Carolina - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford
2. Denver - Marcel Dareus - DT - Alabama
3. Bengals - Da'Quan Bowers - DE - Clemson
4. Buffalo - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5. Arizona - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn (rumours they're dealing for Kolb)
6. San Fran - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
7. Dallas - Patrick Peterson - CB - LSU
8. Houston - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
9. Detroit - Anthony Castonzo - OT - BC
10. Cleveland - Justin Blackmon - WR - OSU
11. Seattle - Robert Quinn - North Carolina - DE
12. Tennessee - Tank Carder - LB -TCU
13. Washington - Ryan Mallett - QB - Arkansas
14. Minnesota - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
15. Miami - ..............
You could have Julio Jones, Ryan Broyles, Michael Floyd, Jon Baldwin at WR. Mark Ingram or Ryan Williams at TB. You want to shore up that OL, then Gabe Carimi would be a terrific RT, Aldon Smith and Akeem Ayers are brilliant LB's. Clayborn's still there. Wisniewski would be high for him, but it's a potential need. You could swing down 10 spots, get back in round 2 and still take Broyles who's as much of a DeSean Jackson clone as I've seen. Maybe pick up Kendall Hunter in 2. But Carolina, maybe Cincy, Arizona, San Fran, Seattle, Skins and Vikes all need QB's.
MAYBE McNabb goes to Minny. Palmer stays in Cincy. Maybe the Cards like Skelton enough but there IS that Kolb trade talk. Matt Flynn is a back up some teams like and could trade for. But for the best 3 QB's, Luck, Gabbert and Newton......Miami stands not a chance IMO.
Brandon Weeden of OSU is the x factor in all this. He's 27. Age and the shoulder that forced him to quit baseball are issues. But he's a ****ing good QB.
I think Tank Carder may try and stay. Aren't TCU playing in the Big East next year? That's a BCS conference, if they go undefeated in the Big East like they did this year, they're in the Championship Game. He may be thinking along those lines, just thinking. If he comes out I agree that's where he could go.
Boomer or CK what are your thought on Pouncey?
Where do you think Weeden goes in the draft? I read that he got a 4th round grade but I find that hard to believe. Would it be reasonable to assume that if the Fins traded down to the late first and recouped a 2nd that they could go Pouncey and Weeden in the first 2 rounds?
Robert Quinn at #11? Really? On the danger of being crucified on the stand: No way anyone should touch the kid in round 1. None whatsoever.
Boomer- I don't see a scenario when von miller doesn't go in top fifteen. If.this scenario pans out then we must trade down. Would denver bite on a trade that would send our first to denver for orton and both of their 2nds. Seems fair. Send them will allen if you have to
Mark Ingram if we stay at fifteen
Mark Ingram does nothing to make this team better.
I think that's absolutely not true.
Well I think it is... so there...
Seriously, I think Ingram is going to be a good back in the NFL. However, what the Fins need is a game breaker. A guy that can take it to the house on any given play and that is not Ingram. Ingram is just one of those three yards and a cloud of dust RB's... That is not what Miami needs right now. AND all that aside, who is going to keep the defenses from stacking the box and who is going to block for him?
Unless they move up...
IMO Miami uses 15 for their QB , or they move up for him.
Don't think we are in a bad spot , with the QB depth , 3 or 4 legitimately in the top 15 it appears to be , we can get who we want.
Miami just has to be assertive here.
Adam Schefter retweeted we pick 14 if Seattle wins
this draft is so loaded with WRs that if we go BPA I could see us drafting a WR. If we go with need it has to be OL or RB. Wildcard would be QB but I dont see it
You don't see us going out and trying to fill our greatest need, which is also at the most important position by far? If we take anything BUT a QB then we are just setting up for more failure.
I'd be furious if we passed on a BPA WR like Julio (or Blackmon) to reach for a need position.
Personally, I want Julio or Blackmon....... or trade up for Gabbert while we're still in a high enough draft position so it doesn't break our back doing so (compared to drafting in the 20s the next few years). I could see Gabbert as having Josh Freeman's success.
Thing is Aqua, the Bengals have -0- need for Bowers, Dunlap blew up late in the season, his light came on.
However "if" they take Newton..they can shed Palmer and his 11 million dollar contract...
Brandon Weeden himself told me that he hasn't been given a grade by any scouts yet. That rumor is per Nolan Nawrocki, who appears to be full of it, for the time being.
I don't know where he goes. You never know how the NFL is going to treat the age issue. There's not much precedent for it and so there's no uniform formula for it. As things stand he's a one-year starter and the NFL had to kind of fool itself into drafting Mark Sanchez high even though he only had 16 games worth of experience. Weeden's got about 14 games under his belt.
Hey I'd love it if the NFL could fool itself into letting him get into the 3rd round.
Not possible ... St Louis has a much lower SOS then us ... they win the tie breaker easy
Rams are one of the few teams you can count on NOT taking a QB at least. If the Skins or Vikes don't make a move, I could maybe see us dealing with Tennessee, assuming that Bud Adams keeps Young.
Henne or Thigpen (as they will need a backup with Collins adding more tread to the tire), trade firsts, and toss in something else down the line for a two yard drop.
In the trade down scenario the Eagles would be the perfect partner. I imagine they want to move up to grab a CB to play opposite of Asante Samuel or even a "bigger" WR such as Julio Jones. I think we could see two scenario's play out.
The Eagles send their 1st Rounder (#24) to move up to our pick (#15) and throw in their R2 pick or they throw in Kevin Kolb. I think it's a pretty reasonable scenario especially if Prince Amukamara falls.
No way they give up Kolb to jump up 10 spots. He's worth more than that.
I think Baldwin or Ry. Williams @ 15 is a major reach. With this draft being so full of talented receivers I'd even pass on Broyles, Jones, and Floyd. Gabe Carimi is in the right thinking but you have to ask what you can get for Carey? is he bad enough to just cut? If you could somehow trade this pick to Denver and acquire both of their R2 picks than maybe we have something. Pick #15 this year isn't such a good pick
I don't know who we use the first rounder on but I do know that the very first decision this franchise has to make is how to get a franchise quarterback, and if you still somehow have a 1st rounder, a 3rd rounder, next year's 1st rounder, etc...after figuring out how to do that, then so be it.