Sparano has a message for everyone, check it out..

I've always liked Sparano's attitude and I hope he's able to bring this team back to the playoffs this year or at worst a winning record.

 

I'd be surprised if we did much team specific game planning. We're still teaching our guys the playbook, not much time to waste watching Carolina tape. And with Rivera's new defense, there's not much tape to watch anyway. I'm guessing we had some specific packages and plays that we wanted to run and there was a concerted effort to get Marshall and Bush the ball early and often.

 

That's completely different. When I watch preseason games I look at individual performances and I watch for offensive rhythm and defensive lapses. I am concerned when I see failings in those areas. But that has nothing to do with a comparison of Henne and Dalton's stats. For example, if one game plan calls for more long passes then that QB will likely have a lower completion pct. That's the whole point that is being missed here. The stat comparison is irrelevant and meaningless without context and additional information. The only reason it was brought up was to attempt to diminish Henne's good performance.

 

The players seem to really respect him, and they play hard for him week in and week out. I think he, and the team, are going to surprise some people this year. I believe that is what he was trying to say when he made those comments about being one of the good teams in the division.

 

Bullcrap!

Rex Grossman put a big numbers vs Pittsburgh and then Mike Vick layed a goose egg with 3 INTs against the Steelers a week later. Clearly, Grossman is a much better QB than Vick and the Skins are superior to Philly on offense b/c they both played the same team .

 

Cool. Didnt know that. Thanks Chris.

 

Does babelfish also have a "misleading" button?

 

On the Carolina game plan "We watched a little bit of tape with the guys last night, just very little tape. Actually I gave them last evening's walkthrough off and we met a little longer and watched a little bit of tape that way and tomorrow we'll spend a little bit more time on 'em. We spent about eight plays today on them out here in that different period."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...tony-sparano-q-a-practice-field-dan-carpenter

 

That's why I say team performance and game outcomes in pre-season can be taken with a grain of salt. In the portions of the games where the first teamers are playing, each team has it's own agenda as to what it wants to get accomplished. Individual player and overall team performances are difficult to evaluate. Just look at the Colts poor pre-season performances during years they went on to have great regular seasons. Many teams go on to have regular season performances that are the complete opposite of their pre-season performances.

Many rookie and young players look like world beaters in pre-season only to struggle when it counts. The fact that Andy Dalton or Chad Henne or anyone else looks good or bad while the first team players are playing, is rarely anything to get too excited or depressed about.

However, there are many young players fighting for roster spots and these roster decisions are the most important aspect of pre-season, at least for the FO and coaches.

 

That's rude hope we score high this weekend.

 

"Who will guard the guards themselves?"

 

Once again, head coach Tony Sparano said he did not gameplan for Carolina, so this wasn’t a real showing of what the team can do, but we saw more pieces on the field, more glimpses of possibilities, and some genuine reasons for optimism.

----- Michael Clark

http://www.thephins.com/2011/08/21/dolphins-details-preseason-game-2-vs-carolina-panthers/

 

Individual performances Ah interesting concept ..........You mean instead of :

" Let's not forget about the overall command of the huddle. Getting to the LOS early, getting guys lined up properly, audibling, calling protections, etc. The way his teammates seem to be responding to him, the praise they are giving him, to me that speaks louder than what he did in a particular preseason game "...............lol

Lining up behind the center
Having a clear and vibrate signal call....
Being able to run off the field ...to the right side line....GMAB

Ya and lets not forget about how well the team is at watching film.........

 

How in the *&#% did a good chance at a positve team thread turn into another bash on Henne thread?

I like Sparono speaking up for the team. I bet the players do their best to back him up for it to.

 

Any given thread, any given thread!

 

Actually all of the stuff you mentioned contributes to the rhythm and flow of the offense. None of this happens in a vacuum. That's what most fans seem to forget (or ignore) when they're trying to argue a point rather than just engaging in honest evaluation.

 

Not to ruin your afternoon but sure it's great to hear the HC talk positive about the team but to act like it's significant and actually going to make the players better is weak.....Of course the HC is going to be positive..... when has he not ?

More significant IMO is the fact that he admits some of his past mistakes and is going to try to rectify .........that is encouraging and positive....

 

I was with you on this..

That quote was from another poster and IMO was ridiculous

Because it doesn't mean squat if the player doesn't have the ability. He could be the best damn signal calling, huddle efficient person in the world but if he can't handle pressure or throw accurately enough it doesn't matter (individual performance) ...Thats the evaluation

 

nice 69, i've got a 69 nova ss

 

Well whats he gunna say? He doesnt believe in us? I mean really.

 

Because you used this as an argument.

I dont mean to offened, and i am not calling you out, just the argument you used because I have done it and so have many others including talking heads, it's the "on pace to..." argument.
Extrapolating stats is just the worst stat monkey argument in sports period..i dont care if the argument is for or against. "extrapolating" stats is taking what happened and assuming that's what will happen. Coulda would shoulda...Hey Dalton may have thrown for 100 more yards and 2TDs in those 7 passes..Or he coulda thrown for 25 more yards and 3 picks.
The end result is that it dosent prove anything because it never happened.. and taking an average of yards per pass and saying yup he would have matched Henne or any other QB that played the Panthers is baseless,,lets not take into account variables that may happen in those 7 more attempts.. like a poor route by a receiver or batted ball or just poor decision making..or that maybe Dalton not only continued to succeed but in those 7 passes surpassed his average and played better than his expected extrapolated stats are.

An example is Barry Sanders runs for 10 yard on 10 carries in the first half of a Bucs game, lets say he gets hurt and is out of the game...well extrapulate his stats and he should have 20 carries for 20 yards for the game...but he didnt get hurt and in the second half he rips off two 60 yard runs on 10 carrys and 10 more yards and ends up with 150 yards and 2 touchdowns on 20 carrys and is player of the week.

For me extrapulating stats or saying someone is "on pace to" is the bondo of stats..just fill this fake stat in here and it look real dont it? I think as fans (knowledgeble fans) we are better than that

It isn't what it is as you stated, because it never was.

 

what does it mean? Chad Henne wears women's panties?

 

I hope he is right and his boys play full bore for him, but I still need to be showed, after the way they came out looking like an Ivy League team playing against the SEC in that final game last season. Both teams with nothing to play for but "play to win the game". One team shows up, and one quits on their coach.

 

I'm going to have to dig up the post where you yourself said that wins and losses were a 'narrow' way to look at things in relation to Tony Sparano's performance.

 

There's no doubt they'll come out playing hard. The real test will be what happens if things start going south for any reason.

 

You've argued that Tony Sparano shouldn't be judged for the past two losing seasons because of the process involved in rebuilding. You have certainly made this argument in the past. Your support of Tony Sparano and his process would be better without using the 2008 record to try to prop him up. That's all I'm saying really. It's contrary to what you've argued in the past. Is win/loss record important or not? You can't have it both ways here. Why is a win/loss record from three years ago or overall more important than the most recent two seasons? Didn't Dave Wannstedt lose his job with a pretty good overall record in Miami?

 

This guy is trying to be like Rex, I SWEAR!

 

A hairy-foot lover full of empty promises? Don't see it.

 

TS is correct. This is how every coach should be. This is why New York loves Rex, because he's like this all the time.