http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...hins-mini-camp-and-ota-bonanza/#comment-45187
My first real calling out of HC Sparano, this is just a serious error in judgment.
Cobbs as:
WC: Dude was so slow he was caught from behind on a sweep, that is how his ACL was torn
Primary Kickoff returner: He averaged 22 ypa, but in reality his slow *** required fake reverses to Ted Ginn to have any return over 25yds, Ginn won't be here to be a decoy, he offers not a damn thing as a returner save for..he can catch the ball cleanly...oh joy.
Gunner on Coverage units: Dude has 17 tackles in 2 years, in 08 when the coverage teams were atrocious, he had 14...Lex Hilliard had 13 in 09..
Backup Rb: he has a whopping 33 carries in his carrier.
Sparano seems to fail to realize that a mediocre player who does several things will do them in a mediocre manner, meanwhile for all the talk of "progress stoppers" on the Defense in 09, he once again doesn't quite apply that same standard to small, slow, Cobbs.
You messin' up Tony.
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As long as Grice-Mullen is still there when Sparano realizes Cobbs is not a good returner I'm fine.
BTW why does Tony like slow KR/PR??? Davone isn't a good returner at all IMO. He muffed it too much, I love him in the slot though don't get me wrong.PhinsRock likes this. -
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He is not a good KR, and I will give you that all day, no doubt. And he is not a burner. But he has plenty of speed. Not as much as you want in a KR... but as far a RB, hes plenty fast. And in the Wildcat, not only was he effective in it, but also was a VERY good blocker for us.
And who would Cobbs be "progress stopping"? Lex Hillard? Eh. I dont think theres much there to stop...
I dont want Cobbs anywhere near the Kick Return team, unless its blocking. But he is a nice little player to have on your team otherwise... -
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He's done what with them?
And where's your analysis of his receiving skills, while you're at it?
He's been an excellent change of pace rusher, and he's a better receiving option than Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams, and a solid special teams player.
You're barking up the wrong tree, on the wrong block, in the wrong city, maybe even the wrong planet.Ronnie Bass, PhinsRock, alen1 and 6 others like this. -
Cobbs is a bit like putting Dubs on a Prious, then running errands in it, it's still a Prious, there is only so much one can do with it.MrClean likes this. -
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I love Cobbs, however he is replacable
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Kory Sheets is a guy whose name you've heard before, that's it.
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Padre is fired up baby, I like that kinda party, lol...
If cobsy makes this team, then say goodbye to your boy Sheets brother..
I happen to think Tony has seen Kory flash, but is purposely keeping low key at this point til the pads come on.
Right now, our return game is our biggest weakness imo, huge part of the game with a FAT ? attached to it.. -
And against the Jets he was caught from behind on a reverse and his knee was shredded, he doesn't have the speed to turn that corner against a good defense.
IIRC he scored in 08 on the Seahawks and KC wasn't it?
Decent ST player? He had 13 tackles all season in 08 and the ST was terrible, Hilliard had 13 tackles on ST after he went down in week 4, in less time he had the same ST production.
And that is what I'm speaking on, Cobbs is "nice', much better can be done than him in every phase of the game, nothing in his game stands out save for "coaches pet".MrClean likes this. -
WTH?
Cat is 5'9, ran a 4.7 on his pro day, and weighs 205 and is coming off a ACL and now he is Kevin Faulk?
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In very limited opportunities in 2008, he had 3 40+ yard plays. And he only got 10 touches before getting hurt in 2009.
Sheets? Hes done literally nothing in this league... dont know if I or anyone could say he has more talent than Cobbs. What are you basing that on? When have you even seen Sheets play? College? He couldnt even get on the field when we were devastated at the RB position... and really needed someone to spell Ricky. Yet, Sheets couldnt even got on the field.
With comments like "You know, with actual physical talent", and "wanting a mediocre player who does several jobs at a low level"... I dont think we are ever going to see eye to eye on this.
I cant even understand where you're coming from with this...Ronnie Bass, Trowa and jupiterfin like this. -
sheets>cobbs.(potential)
I love the guy but honestly he wasnt missed much after his injury last season. I dont see how hes a big change of pace back with ricky and ronnie, they seem more or less the same types of runners to me. sheets would be our change of pace back. -
I think Cobbs adds a nice element to the team. Losing him and Ronnie hurt us down the stretch. He is capable of the big play. Probably not from the KR standpoint though.
We need a guy who can burn there. Thats why I always chose Ginn over what ever was back there.
I dont think Tony is using him as a primary player. He's a guy that can do anything. He's our frikin 3rd string! Hes not going to get 10 carries a game. I do hope he doesnt start at KR though, that would be just plain terrible. -
But I'd dislike the thought of withdrawing from big play ability at the Returner position, but if Roster Politics means Pat White then I'd hold my nose.
Or at least hope Hartline shows some explosiveness and wins that role. -
I doubt there is any common ground to be found FN, and "yes' I do think Sheets is far more of a playmaker than Cobbs will ever be.
I sort of thinks Hilliard can outplay Cobbs if given the chance, but I'm not as certain of it as a I am of Sheets, who is raw as a all around Rb as Sparano mentioned, there is more to the job than hitting the edge of the defense with speed, they have to block and cover kicks etc.
Sheets couldn't do any of those things in 09, which is why he only had one carry.
But unless Sheets has a chance to do those jobs, Sparano is being premature. -
Where have you seen Sheets play that has given you such a conviction about the guy?
And what about Cobb's production per touch don't you like?Ronnie Bass likes this. -
His production was in 2008, prior to the ACL, and I'd seen enough of his return effort to know I'm not enthralled with it.
And I know with Ginn gone, if Sparano had his druthers he would be more than happy to hand Cobbs the returner job as he did in early 09. -
THIS annoys you........ but building an entire package around a player as limited as Pat White, excites you?
Hell I'd build that package around Cobbs before I'd build it around MildPatMikeHoncho likes this. -
Say what one will about White, he did led the NCAA in rushing, there is reason to believe he can perform at a high level in the NFL, Cobbs inspires no such confidence in his performance. -
Cobbs is one of the harder working players on this squad (pound for pound); has been for years. This early in kr evaluations he's earned the first look in my book.
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Like I said, I love the player, but he can be replaced. Just because he CAN do all these jobs on the field doesnt mean he should...Wes Welker kicked an extra point(FG?) for us before.....hes not the Kicker up in New England. -
Complaining about his man crush on Cobbs seems silly when he's making a MUCH bigger mistake in devoting so much time to a guy that he should have never drafted in the first place.
Cobbs has done well for us and has been a great 3rd string RB..... if he's here, it won't be because the FO kept him just to keep from admitting a mistake. -
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That's what she said!
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A Rook qb has 52 plays, 5 passes, and now he is a mistake?
Qb's are far far more valuable to develop than 3rd string mediocre Running Backs, if one does not, or cannot acknowledge that fact o' life in the NFL then there is really nothing to discuss on this one JS. -
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Hey Jetssuck.......pat white (pffft!):tantrum:
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So rather than have Sheets or RGM as the returner and WC player, and having Greg C play gunner, they simply will keep Cobbs, lose the production, but then keep the roster spots open.
As a #3 Rb a 5'9 205 Rb fits what they do? Ronnie's injury history is well known, Ricky wore down, that leaves P Cobbs as the feature back?
Does that make sense? Cobbs as the #3rb/Kr with two players ahead of him who are likely to get dinged as the season rolls along.. -
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However, hes a nice little piece to have, and I do feel we missed him last year.
And his 80 yard TD wasnt from the WC... it was from a screen out of base offense.Trowa likes this. -
And about the bolded... I dont think making Sheets the "feature back" makes any more sense. However, I dont see Cobbs as that. I would have seen Cobbs spell Ricky last year, so he didnt wear down. Under no circumstance would I ever have Cobbs take more carries than Ronnie or Ricky if either was healthy, but he can spell for you.
But I dont think the #3 RB needs to also be the KR. The 5th WR spot could easily be that was well, along with a DB...
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