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Speculation: Fire Ireland for Gaine or Aponte?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by rdhstlr23, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Operating from my phone so I can't add a poll.

    I thought this warranted it's on thread because it involves a few sticking points for fans.

    If firing Jeff Ireland meant Dawn Aponte or Brian Gaine are designated as GM, would you do it?

    Honestly, this would tick me off even more. Because it basically says we're moving forward just with a different name.

    This would be another boneheaded move by Stephen Ross.

    If you're planning to male a move, make it all the way.
     
  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    If Gaine or Aponte is moving forward with a different name, then the same could be said about any GM that comes in really. There is no proof that either Gaine or Aponte have the same views as Ireland on the team, prospective players, how they make evaluations, or how they handle themselves.

    There is no reason to think it will be the same just because a promotion comes from within.
     
  3. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    If Dawn Aponte is hired as GM I will probably throw up.
     
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  4. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Promoting from within is absolutely a vote for more of the same. That's the definition of the term.
     
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  5. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    ....Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Aponte at odds with Ireland during the season?
     
  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Managers get promoted from within all the time and instill changes they felt should have been in place under previous management. They don't always have the same opinion and values as previous management, and look to make their own mark, in addition to taking their teams in a direction they believe is best.

    You don't promote from within because it is more of the same you promote from within because the transition should be smoother and faster due to existing familiarity.
     
  7. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    That's the ongoing sentiment from the beat writers. Even those guys seem to be fighting amongst themselves with whom they support....
     
  8. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Has there ever been a female gm?
     
  9. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Agreed.

    Unfortunately, the act itself is absolutely a continuity of power. The promoted employee is more likely to be aligned to the current power-holder's views and desires than not. That's why they're promoted in the first place. They're part of the regime.

    No one thinks that Eric DeCosta is GM in waiting in Baltimore because he's going to make radical changes from what Ozzie Newsome does, for instance.

    Nope. And Aponte reportedly wants to be that first female GM.
     
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  10. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Those are entirely different circumstances though and not at all applicable to the discussion at hand.
     
  11. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    We don't need radical changes necessarily either. We've been mediocre recently, not putrid. We aren't putting out 3-4 wins seasons for 3+ years in a row.
     
  12. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    This is stated as a "rumor," but can you point to any such speculation in print? The reason is that on-air heads are 99.8% assclowns who do not take responsibility for their words 100% of the time. A reporter who commits something to print is held to a slightly higher standard.
     
  13. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Good God if we hire Aponte....pretty sure that would be the final straw.
    Cant believe Im about to type this but...if we are just gonna hire Aponte, we may as well just keep Ireland.
    And yes, I just threw up in my mouth a little
     
  14. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Would be interested to see how Internet forums accept a female GM.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
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  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I believe she is not thinking about evaluation of personnel and all that it entails, I'm thinking she's thinking a personnel man by her side, a joint partnership..
     
  16. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Moderator Staff Member Club Member

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    Just a hunch...

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  17. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    No chance Aponte gets promoted to GM.
     
  18. 305

    305 Ryan F'n Tannehill Club Member

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    Go away.. 'batin.
    Clearly shes sleeping with him
     
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  19. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    If by that you mean they'll accept it with the same maturity and open-mindedness that they do anything that happens in Miami then I completely agree :shifty:
     
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  20. NaboCane

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    I don't give a **** that a candidate is female or any race or color; only that they can demonstrate a clear talent for finding outstanding personnel.

    And that he/she not be even remotely associated with Parcells.
     
  21. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    If shes naked I'm guessing fairly well.
     
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  22. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Please no. You are absolutely correct.

    Maybe Ireland would just work from home like so many other jobs have went to.

    Although I think Dawn Aponte is probably one of the best V.P. in the league she is by no means a talent evaluator.

    Additionally, she has done about as good a s one person can do with the cap. I really give her a huge thumbs up for that.

    My problem is her whole career has been to develop along side Jeff Ireland. Who do you think has helped her out???

    Aponte was promoted to executive vice president of football administration of the Dolphins in July 2012 after serving as the club's senior vice president of football operations from 2010-11. She works closely with General Manager Jeff Ireland and Head Coach Joe Philbin on football administrative matters and serves as the team's chief contract negotiator. She is responsible for the management and strategic planning of the Dolphins’ salary cap, negotiating and drafting player contracts and overseeing the football operations budgets.

    No way. Huge step backwards.
    Currently Miami’s V.P. of football administration, Aponte has significant influence over the team’s contractual negotiations. And she works more closely with G.M. Jeff Ireland than most realize.

    “Dawn will say ‘no’ when Jeff won’t,” a league source with knowledge of the team’s front office told Volin. “She doesn’t really have extemporaneous conversations. And she’s very ‘by the book’ with whatever stance the team has. But she’s done a fantastic job with making sure they’re one of the cap-healthiest teams in the NFL.”

    Volin writes that Ireland routinely serves as the “good cop” and Aponte acts as the “bad cop” during contract talks.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-be-on-track-to-become-nfls-first-female-g-m/

    Hmm.....I thought Ireland was the a$$hole
     
  23. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    let's see what happens to Philbin first... the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence or do we so desperately need a scapegoat to bully on the forum? what we need is consistent positive development, a marriage of sorts not another girl friend to find fault with halfway through a season. after a decade of infatuation this scenario gets old...
     
  24. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    What do you mean...sorry
     
  25. NaboCane

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  26. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes there is. This is a ridiculous post, of course promoting from within means the same old crap, these people all worked directly with and under Ireland. If Ross does this we are doomed.
     
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  27. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I fail to see how. The only difference is the titles of DeCosta and Gaine.

    Not really. What will be interesting is her degree of competency, just like any other person who takes a HC or GM job.
     
  28. Stitches

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    Man you're right, everyone who works with and under someone has the same opinions and values, and would come to the same conclusions and decisions as it pertains to their business. How could I have ever been so ridiculous? :rolleyes:
     
  29. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    So you've never had a difference in philosophy with a boss? You'd never do anything different if you were the boss?
     
  30. heylookatme

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    This is spot on. It's entirely possible that Brian Gaine would do some things much differently if he took over for Jeff.

    In my experience (which is outside of football), promotion from within is often as much of a change in philosophy as promotion from without.
     
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  31. unifiedtheory

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    Why are we promoting from within a failed regime?

    Steve Ross is an idiot. I don't care that he's a billionaire, stupid people can make money.

    This is exactly what I expected (and dreaded) to happen. Ross LOVES Joe Philbin, you can hear it everytime he talks about the man. Ross is not going to bring in an outside candidate and endanger losing Philbin to the rightful purge that would ensue.

    We are not going to compete for a damn ****iong thing unless Ross:

    A: Sells the team

    B: Does what needs to be done, which is extinguish the Parcells stench from this franchise. It needs a clean sweep, not a "tweak".
     
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  32. finfansince72

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    So you really think anyone under Ireland is going to make big changes? And if they are working for Ireland then they are more than likely mentored by him and I doubt a paranoid idiot like Ireland from the Parcels tree would actually have a bunch of people underneath him with big differences of opinion. I seriously doubt its a possibility. I think is absurd to even think such a thing. Honestly this train of thought is just so far out of reality I don't even know what to say about it. If we promote from within we are promoting mediocrity and a losing mentality and sticking with more of the same.
     
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  33. finfansince72

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    Sure but I don't see this being the case in Miami. If we keep the status quo its to keep Philbin around and keep him comfortable. This isn't making big changes. Hey if they went with one or both of these two and they fired Philbin and made wholesale changes I'll eat crow but they aren't going to do that. Honestly if they get rid of Ireland and just promote the people under him then the firing of Ireland is merely a PR move with no real teeth and Ross is an idiot.
     
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  34. NaboCane

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    What I wrote there is what I believe to be the truth, from decades in the business world, over 30 of those years as a manager.
     
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  35. Hobiesailor

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    Aponte would need an amazing talent evaluator for me to accept her as GM. She is great as far as contracts and the cap go (as evidence by our pretty good cap situations currently). The problem has never really been cap management, its been talent eval.
     
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  36. unifiedtheory

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    We need a General Manager, someone who, like you said is a talent evaluator. She's a mathematician, they don't draft well.
     
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  37. GMJohnson

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    A lot of Parcells guys have done quite well. Like what's his name up in New England.
     
  38. Stitches

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    Which mathematician's haven't drafted well?
     
  39. Rhody Phins Fan

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    Belichick has not been very good at acquiring talent. I live up in New England and the complaints about him are that he is a great coach but mediocre GM.
     
  40. fins104

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    People like to make him out to be the best drafter in the game, but the fact of the matter is they just have a lot of picks every year some how. Not saying that isn't the way to go, but to say he is an incredible drafter isn't actually looking at every draft pick.
     

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