Speculation, is Roth semi holding out?

Armando, is that you?

"padre31 wrote:

This Sparano/Roth/Rosenhaus situation has my wheels turning.

Sparano says it is an "illness"

Rosenhaus claims it is a groin injury

Roth is not saying a word.

Roth is in his last yr of his rookie contract, he will get paid well as a FA, is it possible that Rosenhaus advised Roth that it is not in his interests to practice on his rookie deal?

FWIW, I really like Roth's transformation from DE to OLB, to me he is a needed ingredient on the Defense, but the NFL is a business after all.

I smell something brewing here. This actually works pretty well, as he may have possibly not felt well for the conditioning test AND he didn't lie on his health survey. Dirty tactics and Drew Rosenhaus I'll buy it.

I don't think lying to the coaches would be the best way to get a new contract though. If he was lying because he didn't want to miss any practice time that's one thing. Doing to get more money is another.

"Agua wrote:

Armando, is that you?

HEY!!!

'Mando gets paid to think up dribble such as this, I'm a volunteer, there is a HUGE difference...:lol:

"PerfectTeam wrote:

I don't think lying to the coaches would be the best way to get a new contract though. If he was lying because he didn't want to miss any practice time that's one thing. Doing to get more money is another.

Who said he lied? Sparano said Roth talked to him and "I took it that he had an illness".

Rosenhaus is sleazy, I would not put it past him to suggest such a thing PT.

"padre31 wrote:

HEY!!!

'Mando gets paid to think up dribble such as this, I'm a volunteer, there is a HUGE difference...:lol:

tomaTO, taMAto

"padre31 wrote:

Who said he lied? Sparano said Roth talked to him and "I took it that he had an illness".

Rosenhaus is sleazy, I would not put it past him to suggest such a thing PT.

I probably should of worded that different. I was just going off another poster who said he might not of been truthful.

Is there any penalty Roth could face if he indeed does have a groin injury? (for lying on the health questionnaire)

Armondo is all over twitter sayin Roth lied not once, but twice to Tony and that they will meet again tonight.

"ascii wrote:

Is there any penalty Roth could face if he indeed does have a groin injury? (for lying on the health questionnaire)

I wouldn't think so ascii, the team put him in the deep freeze of the PUP which is odd for a head cold or a minor groin tweak.

And I had no idea 'Mando was saying that on twitter, I just know the whole deal sounds hincky to me, confusing a groin with an "illness" (hmmm Rosenhaus Virus maybe?) is no small thing.

I'm thinking he was lying about his reoccurring injury to avoid problems with getting a new contract.

If he is, I don't know why he would be. He is entering a contract season. He can make much more money playing his ass of this year, then banking in next year.

Sounds like Roth actually has the groin injury and is afraid that if he tellls Sparano that, he'll (Roth) lose his starting spot. I'm inclined to see it this way. No facts to back that up, JMHO.

roth told sparano he was ill, sparano has said he believes roth.

rosen-house (?) is the one who is lying i think.

agents are down right dirty.

"PhinsRock wrote:

Sounds like Roth actually has the groin injury and is afraid that if he tellls Sparano that, he'll (Roth) lose his starting spot. I'm inclined to see it this way. No facts to back that up, JMHO.

IMO he has nothing to worry about other than staying healthy of course. JT is not going to leap frog him and become our OLB on the strong side. JT is weak side only (and of course so is JP), ask the Skins how that worked.

I also thought of the contract side of it, but this is not the right way to go about getting a new contract Mr. Roth.

"Paul 13 wrote:

IMO he has nothing to worry about other than staying healthy of course. JT is not going to leap frog him and become our OLB on the strong side. JT is weak side only (and of course so is JP), ask the Skins how that worked.

I'd really hate to see JT chained to the strongside linbacker position, not at his age and with his skill set.

To me, this situaiton is ripe for one of the unknowns, Moses, Walden, Wake, Folsom, Orion Martin, to step up and show they are indispensible because they can play the strong side well.

I also thought of the contract side of it, but this is not the right way to go about getting a new contract Mr. Roth.

Which is an odd way to go about things "I'm lying about my health, give me a contract extension before the season starts?"

no he's not semi holding out

I dont think Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and Tony Sparano are going to pay anybody that is holding out of training camp.

Rothgate

We know the story on roth. Roth told sparano he was ill/sick. Rosenhaus tells him it's a groin.

Armando now tweets this:

Been told by good source Tony Sparano upset with Matt Roth. The coach believes Roth lied to him, not once, but twice.

now we all know that the "source" may or may not be reliable. and i heard with my own ears that sparano said he believes roth when he told him it was just sick (which could have just been posturing for the media).

my question is if it comes out to be true that roth did lie and signed off on his medical papers that he was fine do you even want him on the team or should we cut his ass?

IMO he'd be cut.

Trade his azz to Arizona for Boldin:pointlol:

It wouldn't be that easy. If it is true, you bring Roth into the office for a one on one, and get to the bottom of it. If this is a Drew thing, then you get him in the office with Jeff, and Tony, and you let him know this will not be tolerated. If they are interested in a new deal just say so, and don't lie about it.

Let's take this with a grain of salt. Remember who wrote that tweet.

"Silverphin wrote:

Let's take this with a grain of salt. Remember who wrote that tweet.

tweetie bird?:shifty:

"Silverphin wrote:

Let's take this with a grain of salt. Remember who wrote that tweet.

yeah i know.

and i agree w/you john to a point. it's hard to just make an example out of someone who A) played decently in the recent past and B) would take a cap hit of but certainly this kind of distraction shouldn't be tolerated AT ALL and should be stopped immediately.

look at all the discussion it has had already which is far too much IMO