Speculation, is Roth semi holding out?

Armando, is that you?

 

I smell something brewing here. This actually works pretty well, as he may have possibly not felt well for the conditioning test AND he didn't lie on his health survey. Dirty tactics and Drew Rosenhaus I'll buy it.

 

I don't think lying to the coaches would be the best way to get a new contract though. If he was lying because he didn't want to miss any practice time that's one thing. Doing to get more money is another.

 

tomaTO, taMAto

 

I probably should of worded that different. I was just going off another poster who said he might not of been truthful.

 

Is there any penalty Roth could face if he indeed does have a groin injury? (for lying on the health questionnaire)

 

Armondo is all over twitter sayin Roth lied not once, but twice to Tony and that they will meet again tonight.

 

I'm thinking he was lying about his reoccurring injury to avoid problems with getting a new contract.

 

If he is, I don't know why he would be. He is entering a contract season. He can make much more money playing his *** of this year, then banking in next year.

 

Sounds like Roth actually has the groin injury and is afraid that if he tellls Sparano that, he'll (Roth) lose his starting spot. I'm inclined to see it this way. No facts to back that up, JMHO.

 

roth told sparano he was ill, sparano has said he believes roth.

rosen-house (?) is the one who is lying i think.

agents are down right dirty.

 

no he's not semi holding out

 

I dont think Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and Tony Sparano are going to pay anybody that is holding out of training camp.

 

Rothgate

We know the story on roth. Roth told sparano he was ill/sick. Rosenhaus tells him it's a groin.

Armando now tweets this:

now we all know that the "source" may or may not be reliable. and i heard with my own ears that sparano said he believes roth when he told him it was just sick (which could have just been posturing for the media).

my question is if it comes out to be true that roth did lie and signed off on his medical papers that he was fine do you even want him on the team or should we cut his ***?

IMO he'd be cut.

 

Trade his azz to Arizona for Boldin

 

It wouldn't be that easy. If it is true, you bring Roth into the office for a one on one, and get to the bottom of it. If this is a Drew thing, then you get him in the office with Jeff, and Tony, and you let him know this will not be tolerated. If they are interested in a new deal just say so, and don't lie about it.

 

Let's take this with a grain of salt. Remember who wrote that tweet.

 

tweetie bird?

 

yeah i know.

and i agree w/you john to a point. it's hard to just make an example out of someone who A) played decently in the recent past and B) would take a cap hit of but certainly this kind of distraction shouldn't be tolerated AT ALL and should be stopped immediately.

look at all the discussion it has had already which is far too much IMO

 

heres a guy who isnt afraid of hard work, sweat and pain. a guy who trains in mma for fun in the off-season. i need to hear the facts before i judge on this one. if the starks incident ended up being nothing, im not about to jump on roth...especially from a mondo tweet.

 

Roth was one of the two players that Tony had said had improved the most. We need him to play and to play well.

And if this is the worse we have to worry about, it is night and night compared to last year.

 

agree with the bold part. i just like as little distractions as possible

and while you may not remember me i remember you and it's good to see you posting again.

 

If Roth is willing to man up to it and take his commupins, then it should be put behind with a warning not to do it again

 

This is going to end very badly for Roth.

 

These kind of actions makes me dislike Matt Roth if this comes out to be true that he is just looking for a new contrat. Matt Roth played good but he is not the best out there if he wants a new contract he needs to get out there and pratice and play hard. It almost seems he does not want to practice hard. It is a shame.The funny thing is that you see a 9 year vet in Chad Pennington praticing hard and trying to improve himself after a probowl and MVP type year. Now you have 4 year player coming off an ok year wanting a new contract.


I dont think we need to get rid of Matt Roth but we need to get this sorted out and have a talk with him and Drew.

 

This thought crossed my mind as well Padre but in the end I doubt thats what its about.

My guess is that Roth didn't disclose his injury/illness because he wanted to go out there and practice and get in the think of things.... Only to find that when it was time to go he couldn't.

What bothers me is that he told Tony it was an illness and now his agent is saying its the groin. Why would he do that? I mean sure, we all know his agent is a tool but why would he be saying his client has a groin injury if its not true? You never want to give a guy an injury history as its always an issue come contract time so why would Drew hurt his rep by saying he is hurt instead of saying its some kind of flue that anyone could get which would have no effect on Roths football value?

Makes me wonder if Roth was misleading with the team because he doesn't want to admit he has an injury in the hopes that if he rests a few days he can get back out there and just play through it for the rest of the season.

Tony says that prior to the conditioning test Roth signed a paper that all the guys have to sign saying that he had no injures and was not sick either way something is a little odd here.

 

Drew needs to be kicked in the balls.

We can talk to Roth.

 

Roth may want out. Taylor may be starting over him and perhaps we have a youngster or two that he's worrying about too. Maybe he want's to force a trade?

Personally I hope its all miscommunication. I want him in Miami.

 

it's twue, it's twue!

 

On first site, this seems to be a tomAto, toMAto thing (thanks cnc66), but the longer it goes on, the more intrigue there is. All the arguments regarding an apparent injury versus an illness can be read into whatever 'theory' you want to put behind it...it could be a ploy for contract reasons...isn't Roth in the 4 yr versus 6yr before FA is allowed thing without the CBA being re-upped ?? That could be motivation to get a contract done now instead of later ?? He apparently has had issues with this groin in the past...could Tony and co. be getting tired of the issue ?? Is JT that close to taking his starting role (even tho I don't think that's the best role for JT to have) ?? What motivation would there be for him to not tell Tony and the team the whole truth ?? Is this injury worse than we believe it to be ?? That, of course, would be the worst case scenario in this whole thing but what would Roth gain by fibbing about it ??

What's the truth ?? Probably somewhere in the middle, but now Roth is in the hot seat and has to 'fix' it himself...

 

Florio suspects Padre may be right:

Fins Already Hiding Injuries

 

To me, this just sounds like Sparano doesn't want other teams knowing Roth has a groin injury. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

This is not going to end up well for Matt Roth. I think he's just trying to conceal something and Drew Rosenhaus is helping him. They're spinning a hundred different things. I don't think it's a holdout--I can't see Matt Roth starting that precedent. I think it's something he's hiding, he told Drew--they didn't have their stories straight--Drew being the good agent he is continues to spin 101 different things including a contract issue.

We'll find out, but if Sparano doesn't--we know this...he isn't playing.
And that will hurt our run defense.