I say we'll just have to wait & see
won't be long & the decisons will have been made

 

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yes

 

1) Hilliard kept as FB & Polite traded or cut. could also use JT as a Long snapper & open up another spot on the roster, possibly carrying both Hilliar & Polite. Hilliard has to show his worth on special teams to cement a position on the final 53.
2) OL: Gardner to PS, Carey can cover left in a pinch & Frye can cover the right, go with Berger, Frye & Murphy
3) OLB: (Roth to Pup, traded or cut) JP & JT, Wake, Moses, & Anderson (Walden)
4) DE: keep the three because of rotation considerations @ NT & DE (McD can play NT)
5) I say it will probably different then either of us suspect, depending on the next two games & practices. things change.

 

23rd, for the last time, Jason Taylor is not going to be our long snapper.

 

Friend Ashraf:
I said it was only an option, not that he would be used on Special Teams in that capacity.
I mention it as a one of the ways of creating an extra spot on the Roster of 53.
Taylor has played the position before (early 90's) & although he was a backup, he did very well.

Once again, I agree it probably will never be a serious consideration, but it is an option. You never know what they're thinking, especially in the midst of a rebuilding process.:wave:we are still rebuilding the Franchise

who knows the logic behind these things
when you're trying to maximize growth & allow time to develop
& analyse the talent on your roster,
a creative move like replacing the Long Snapper
might present itself as a provisorial opportunity for development

I try not to second guess the Front office
or limit any possible options in the rebuilding process

truth is we may win the SuperBowl in 2009, but probably won't
however
I can assure you: We will Contend in 2010!:up:

 

I see us keeping 5 backs and we are not rebuilding. There is my guess.

 

Maybe, instead of having 9 OL, the FO will keep Rodrique Wright to have 8 DL. Or, keep Brandon London because he is a ST Standout and a WR with high potential.

We have a lot of options for this roster. I'm excited to see what Sparano and the FO are going to do.

 

agree w/ the RB Stable carrying five. In the pro-set we are a run first offense & will rely on the WildCat increasingly more in 2009, which is a system that is set up to maximize the running potential of the game.
however
I disagree with the notion that we have terminated the rebuilding process of the Franchise. Do not be deceived by early successes & an AFCE Championship. It is not over. We will require this year to develop & solidify our gains. Next year will be used to acquire special pieces to complete the team offensively, defensively & on special teams that will allow us to get to & win a SuperBowl. Everything takes time. Three years is the minimal time to rebuild a Franchise from the bottom up.
We Wiill Contend in 2010! :yes:

 

Padre31 I don't see how Lex and Cobb's are anything alike at all other then Lex can catch a football.

Cobb's is more of a 3rd down back that you want to put in space and Lex is a 240 pound guy that you'd run up the between the the Ot's and can make his own space by running people over.

I think at this point Lex has forced us to trade him because he does have some value but he can't beat out Cobb's and i don't see him as being one of our top 3 ST players.

I'd like to keep him but this team has to many OLB, DL, and WR they like to keep over 4th RB that would never play on Sundays.

If any team call us and offers a 5th round pick he's gone IMHO but we may have to take less because most teams know we won't keep him.

 

You keep Hilliard b/c as Parcells said we're in the talent acquisition business. And I wouldn't be to sure that he won't play on Sundays.

Nice article about Mr. Hilliard by our guy Ethan:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/m...5953351.column

Quote:
According to two sources, Hilliard is not only likely to stick, but is also likely to be active on many Sundays, with offensive coordinator Dan Henning already working on ways to use him. Hilliard's progress gives the Dolphins flexibility should some team show interest in Ricky Williams (unlikely for now due to the abundance of unemployed running backs), and maybe even in the Ronnie Brown contract negotiations down the road.

 

Bingo! I was going to say the same thing. The rest of your post I mostly do not agree with. Keeping Lex is not difficult at all. Teams carry 5 OBs all the time. He can do more for the team than a 6th WR, and he may well be one of our top 3 STers on kick coverage units. He is sure around the ball a lot when he is out there.
Keep 8 OL, since never more than 8, sometimes just 7, are active on game day. Keep 5 Wrs which is the most common number for teams to carry and keeping 5 offensive backs is easy. You don't even have to worry about the numbers on defense, which will probably be 8 DL, 9 LB, and 9 DB, IMO. Combined with 24 offensive players, 3 QB, 5 OB, 3 TE, 5 WR, 8 OL, that makes 50 between offense and defense and leave 3 spots for PK, P, and LS.

 

When i read that Quote all i think is Bill's trying to get a higher draft pick for him.

I'm all for keeping good players but i'm not for cutting one of our best ST players just so we can keep a 4th RB.

And i sure don't want Lex taking carries away from Brown or Ricky.

 

MAKES SENSE TO ME :yes:

 

I would. Wright is a starting quality DE in this league who is just stuck on a deep unit. But, you don't give away good DL and I would want a 3rd to let Wright go. If a couple of starting ends get banged up all the sudden Wright is in the rotation. Also, remember, we kept 6 DEs and 8 DL total last year. McDaniel, without an s, replaces Holliday in the DL contingent, and other than that I see no reason to change anything.
No reason to keep 9 OL when the 8th AND 9th OL basically never play. Remember how many games the 8th and 9th OL last year, Murphy and Garner, played? You don't because they didn't.

 

It will be silly to get rid of Cobbs.
Ricky will be gone in 2 years max.
We are not sure what is going to happen with Ronnie, and while I love Cobbs, I dont see him as a every down back, while Lex is a very solid between the tackles runner. No way we are getting rid of him.

 

In the spirit of Paul13's roster post and Padre's thread, here is my speculation on the 53 man roster, knowing what we know today.

QB's
1. Chad Pennington
2. Chad Henne
3. Pat White

RB’S
4. Ronnie Brown
5. Ricky Williams
6. Patrick Cobbs
7. Lex Hilliard

WR’s
8. Ted Ginn
9. Greg Camarillo
10. Davone Bess
11. Patrick Turner
12. Brian Hartline

FB
13. Lousaka Polite

TE’s
14. Anthony Fasano
15. David Martin
16. John Nalbone

OT’s
17. Jake Long
18. Vernon Carey
19. Andrew Gardner

OG’s
20. Justin Smiley
21. Donald Thomas
22. Shawn Murphy

C’s
23. Jake Grove
24. Joe Berger

K/P/LS
25. Dan Carpenter
26. Brandon Fields
27. John Denny

DL’s
28. Jason Ferguson
29. Paul Soliai
30. Kendall Langford
31. Phillip Merling
32. Randy Starks
33. Lionel Dotson
34. Tony McDaniel
35. Rodrique Wright

LB’s
36. Joey Porter
37. Jason Taylor
38. Channing Crowder
39. Cameron Wake
40. Quentin Moses
41. Akin Ayodele
42. Reggie Torbor
43. Charlie Anderson
44. William Kershaw

CB’s
45. Will Allen
46. Vontae Davis
47. Sean Smith
48. Nathan Jones
49. Jason Allen

S’s
50. Yeremiah Bell
51. Gibril Wilson
52. Chris Clemons
53. Tyrone Culver

Practice Squad guys...
1. JD Folsom
2. Nate Garner
3. Mark Lewis
4. Ryan Baker
5. Louis Ellis
The rest of the PS, your guess as good as mine

 

I think it's much more likely that they just have a higher opinion of Hilliard than you do.

 

thats my team right there :up: kershaw probably the guy who will get cut if someone better becomes available

 

Did I leave the 2nd e out of Denney? It's Paul's fault. I just copied and pasted his roster and then tweaked it a little. :D

 

A 3rd round pick for Wright? I like him, too, but a 3rd is a too high.

 

I think all 6 of our top DEs are good enough we could start any two of them, be competitive on defense and win. For a starting quality DE who can play the 3-4 and also play inside in the 4-3, if I were calling the shots I'd want a 3rd minimum. In other words I'd not be keen on trading Wright. He was considered good enough to keep all last year. Nothing has changed except we now have McDaniel, no s, and don't have Holliday. IMO we keep 6 DEs again.

BTW, what are you doing up this late young man? School is starting next week, you better get used to going to bed early. :wink2:

 

This is what i'd do if i was Tony.

Special Teams Players
1.Erik Walden
2.Brandon London
3.Charlie Anderson

Punter
1.Brandon Fields

Kicker
1.Dan Carpenter

LS
1.John Denny

DT
1.Jason Ferguson
2.Paul Soliai
3.Lionel Dotson

LDE
1.Kendall Langford
2.Tony McDaniel

RDE
1.Randy Starks
2.Phillip Merling

LOLB
1.Jason Taylor
2.Matt Roth
3.Quentin Moses

ROLB
1.Joey Porter
2.Cameron Wake

LILB
1.Channing Crowder

RILB
1.Akin Ayodele

Backup ILB
1.Reggie Torbor

LCB
1.Will Allen
2.Vontae Davis

RCB
1.Sean Smith
2.Jason Allen
3.Nathan Jones

FS
1.Gibril Wilson
2.Tyrone Culver

SS
1.Yeremiah Bell
2.Chris Clemons

QB
1.Chad Pennington
2.Chad Henne
3.Pat White

RB
1. Ronnie Brown
2. Ricky Williams
3. Patrick Cobbs

WR
1.Greg Camarillo
2.Ted Ginn
3.Devone Bess
4.Brian Hartline
5.Patrick Turner

FB
1.Lousaka Polite

TE
1.Anthony Fasano
2.David Martin
3.Joey Haynos

LT
1.Jake Long
2.Andrew Gardner

RT
1.Vernon Carey

LG
1.Justin Smiley

RG
1.Donald Thomas
2.Shawn Murphy

C
1.Jake Grove
2.Joe Berger

 

That very well could be true, but for the most part they seem to think alot like me , and i'm right alot more then i'm wrong when taking about football.

 

Raffie's a night owl.

 

Exactly how I see it right now except I think Walden sticks before Kershaw.

 

I live for danger.

 

We'll see, and you'll find that most of the people in the club and many on this site in general know a lot about football and are right more often than not.

 

very close to what I have
the difference is minimal:
1) Nalbone to practice squad in place of Lewis. J. Haynos is third TE
2) Eric Walden will stick @ ILB

 

You have to keep him with the possibility of injuries plus
not knowing if Ronnie will be resigned or if this is Rickys
last season.It wouldn't be to nice of a situation going into next season with only Cobbs at running back.

No doubt in my mind that Lex will be on this team

 

Walden is a OLB. Kershaw has shown he is a decent backup ILB, and after we got him last yr he was pretty solid on STs too. Walden wasn't a one man show.
It is tight between the two, but IMO I'd just rather have one more ILB than one more OLB. Kershaw is far more likely to play some actual defense than Walden and still adds a solid ST dimension.

 

I know there was speculation (on the board) that Walden would be tried at ILB but I haven't heard of him being tried there in camp and I haven't noticed him at ILB during the games.

 

What do you have to see, you can go back and read my old posts from here or the other site.

Two years ago i said we'll take a LT and a QB with our 1st 3 picks.....and we did.

Then this year i nailed are needs as well http://forums.thephins.com/showthread.php?t=22954&page=2 They filled every need i thought they would other the OG, and didn't go after a OLB or DT high in the draft like most here thought they would.

This site has many smart football minds here, i mean i've been here from day one.So i don't really understand why your talking like i'm new or don't know that.

I watch and study every game 6 to 8 times so i'm very good at picking the weak sisters on our team.I'm not one of them guys that downs a 12 pack then comes on here and talks sideways.

Anyways back to Lex, he has 2 fumbles and he has only touched the ball around 30 times.That's not the kind of guy Tony is going to cut one of his best ST's players for.

Tony likes guys who are consistent, that's why he had Bess last year as our PR and not Ginn, and so far Lex has been anything but consistent.

 

O no doubt.You'd want a guy that knows all your plays and all to help if Ronnie or Rickey go's down.

Like i said Lex has put the ball on the ground two times in only 30 touches, so we may be able to put him on the PS now, but then again we may be also able to find a RB off of some other teams PS that hangs onto the ball better.

Ether way, it's not like i hate the guy , i just don't fall for the flavor of the week like others do, and it looks like his week just ended.

 

Lexy did not look so sexy last night, at this point I see him on the PS because after that performance we could likely hide him there.

 

You make it sound like you're smarter than everybody else. The things you just mentioned were things that many others including myself predicted or at least mentioned as possibilities. Many here have considerable football experience and knowledge so saying that we should just take your word for it b/c you're so much more in tune with this coaching staff than anybody else smacks of undeserved arrogance.

And I said we'll see in regards to whether Hilliard makes the team or not. IMO it comes down to London or Hilliard and going into last night I felt that Hilliard had the advantage. I think right now it's a toss up.