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Sports Buzz: Concerns Raised About Philbin, Dolphins' Coaching Staff

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  1. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    “There’s not great respect for the coaching staff there,” said a close associate of several Dolphins players.


    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy


    More criticisms of coaching staff inexperience, lack of teaching and Philbin's attitude. Except this time, it supposedly comes from the players, not the posters here.
     
  2. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Promising words about Lazor.If I had to bet my money on those of the offensive coaching staff being thrown under the bus here it would be Ken O'Keefe (mentioned in the article, if players are learning a bulk from Phil Mcloughan I fail to see why this is a big deal unless he gets poached instead of promoted), Jim Turner (his failure last year may be due to lack of talent, he's developed kids at A&M), and of course Zac Taylor (not mentioned, who I hope will be faux-supplanted by the arrival of Lazor).Philbin has one more year.
     
  3. Fin D

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    Sounds like an agent.
     
  4. NyPhinfan

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    An associate of several players...lol. You have to love it
     
  5. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Spot on article by Barry Jackson, as usual. Philbin is what he is- a nice guy with a talent for organization, not a good tactician or leader of men. His optimal skill set lies somewhere between offensive coordinator and butler, not head coach. He's just not cut out for it.
     
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  6. jim1

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    A prominent network analyst who asked not to be named said Ross was fooled if he thought he was getting an offensive savant in Philbin. “His background is offensive line,” the analyst said, adding that Philbin wasn’t the coach primarily developing Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. (And we all know how this offensive line turned out.)

    When asked last year what he likes about a particular player (Chris Clemons), Philbin said: “He keeps his mouth [shut].”

    That philosophy is why Philbin either wanted to dump or was perfectly fine with losing productive players who spoke out, from Brandon Marshall to Reggie Bush to Karlos Dansby – all of whom were highly productive elsewhere. Ireland, of course, also had a major part in this.

    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...eat-chatter-umluke-problem.html#storylink=cpy

    Wow- just the Chris Clemons comment makes me cringe. Philbin never should have gotten the HC gig in the first place- Ross is apparently not going to fire Philbin, and he'll pay the price for it. Said it before, i'll say it again- Sherman, Ireland, Philbin, Aponte- all of them should be shown the door, get the stink out of the building. This whole organization is rotten from within. It was great to get rid of Ireland, but Ross didn't go far enough. The stench is ripe in Miami.
     
  7. jim1

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  9. Fin D

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    Who else would be an associate of multiple players?
     
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  11. Springveldt

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    David Canter has been very vocal on twitter about what he thinks of the coaching staff.
     
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  12. Muck

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    All valid. Many here and in the media have said this does not appear to be a well coached team. This only furthers that criticism.

    And it is a problem if the assistant is doing a better job than the primary coach at a position. The better coach should be in charge. And frankly I've wondered why Kacy Rodgers hasn't gotten much DC interest in the past. He has great respect and his units have generally excelled. Maybe he doesn't want it, who knows.

    Since Philbin picks this staff and has final say on it, he becomes part of the problem. You can't fool the players. If they say it's lackluster, it's lackluster.

    In all, it's another reason why I wish this team had a Jason Taylor somewhere in the building. An experienced former player who among other things could have the pulse of the team and could truly advise the owner on it.

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  13. SICK

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    Dave Canter. Period.


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  14. Disgustipate

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    I don't know why you'd scoff at the source when it pretty well is obviously true.
     
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  15. SICK

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    It's an absolute necessity we get some vets in here next year on both offense or defense. Matt Moore and randy Starks just aren't cutting it.


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  16. jim1

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    Yes, and imagine Taylor or Marino, two loyal former players who actually know the game, keeping their eyes on such matter as opposed to Dawn Aponte, who seems more interested in forming alliances and consolidating power than fully comprehending what's going on and making appropriate changes. What would she know about as to any deficiencies that Philbin and his staff may have as coaches?

    A strong GM working with a Taylor or Marino sounds fine to me- loyal people who know football. Is Philbin actually a good coach or a glorified organizer? Did he do more harm or good by bringing his people to the organization, most of whom lack NFL experience? is this organization going in the right direction, or is is time to take another fork in the road?

    My gut tells me and what I read and see tell me that Philbin is not the right man for the job. The ultimate tale of this franchise over the last couple of decades is that of wildly successful businessmen buying the team and utterly failing at hiring the right management and coaching to move the team forward. The track record speaks for itself, and it's all been downhill since Huizenga fired Don Shula. I really couldn't care less if Ross has a good feeling about Philbin and Aponte- I'll give him props for finally getting rid of Jeff Ireland, but he's begging for more misery in insisting that Philbin stays on board as HC. We've had back to back owners that have a serious disconnect when it comes to running the business of an NFL franchise, specifically in hiring the right people to develop a successful and stable team. Huizenga failed miserably, and Ross is walking down the same dark and winding road.
     
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  17. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    All the problems on this team and you're focused on Matt Moore and Randy Starks? Seriously? What do you say we start with the FO and coaching situations, the pathetic OL, the LB debacle starting with the nauseatingly overpaid Wheeler and Ellerbe and the mismanagement of Dion Jordan, not getting nearly enough playing time and played out of position? This team is majorly dysfunctional and you're focused on Matt Moore and Randy Starks? Yowsa.
     
  18. KB21

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    I'm calling BS on the "not very good at teaching" aspect.

    Take a look at the secondary. Kevin Coyle has done what he did with Cincinnati's DBs with these guys. Nolan Carroll is much better at finding the ball and not losing his man in coverage. Jimmy Wilson always had good ball skills but was never great in coverage. In his second year under this staff, he was a top notch nickle back in the league. Up front, Jared Odrick just put up his best season because he is finally learning how to use his hands in conjunction with his feet. Olivier Vernon became a better finisher as a pass rusher. Jelani Jenkins was making some strides during his first year.
     
  19. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Do you have a point that you're trying to make?
     
  20. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It doesn't say everyone. We know Kacy Rodgers is a good DL coach(the article says as much), and we know Kevin Coyle is a good DB coach.
     
  21. invid

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    I believe Jackson states the lack of faith in coaching is on the offensive side of the ball.
     
  22. Vertical Limit

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    So now Barry Jackson (one of our most reliable sources) is full of **** because he wrote a negative article about the Dolphins? What's with you people? Is everything negative NOT true now? Tell me one positive thing that has happened the past 15 years.
     
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  23. KB21

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    The problem with this team never has been the coaching staff. It has always been the player personnel decisions and how the man in charge handled himself.

    Joe was given pure crap to work with on the offensive line. He was not given a starting caliber running back. The secondary was a hodge podge of talent. Yet, this team still won 8 games when the talent on this team suggested 5-6 wins.

    The biggest impact coaching has is on player development, and that is happening in Miami. Players that have an inkling of talent on this team are developing because this staff is very good at teaching. You have to have that base of talent though.

    Anyone that says otherwise has an agenda they want to push.

    Also, you don't have to be a screamer or a rah rah guy to be a good motivational coach. Tony Dungy never was a screamer or a rah rah guy. Tony Dungy's calmness exuded strength, but unlike Joe Philbin, Tony Dungy was allowed to establish his vision on values and integrity within his organization.

    Here is a quote from Bill Polian, who is as unbiased as they come when it comes to the Dolphins:
    Game, set, and match.
     
  24. jim1

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    I can understand people questioning articles about the coaching staff and FO written by Armando, but this is Barry Jackson, and this article says a mouthful. And you're right, the article doesn't point the finger at everyone:

    "Let’s be clear: There are some coaches on this staff who do good work and are deserving of their jobs, including Kacy Rodgers (defensive line) and Darren Rizzi (special teams). Tight ends coach Dan Campbell has done a commendable job with Charles Clay.

    Dolphins players generally like defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle, but some believe Rodgers should be the coordinator, and the front office was unhappy Coyle didn’t find more ways to use Dion Jordan."

    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...eat-chatter-umluke-problem.html#storylink=cpy
     
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  25. Lee2000

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    I am really tired of the constant pounding but understand why it occurs. Classic example of what happens when you don't find the right people. Wrong gm, questionable staff, lack of chemistry. And you ask yourself how this organization can not overcome it for such a significant time? Impersonal Saban, Overwhelmed Cam. Limited Tony. And now Meek and insecure Joe? And led by GMs who simply couldn't hit on picks. Hyde's rehash of Wanny and his response on Moore as a special teamer type only that was selected in the 2nd round just blows my mind. And isn't it ironic that is what Wanny is doing today, "special teams". After failed stints as a head coach in college and the pros, and even as a coordinator. When you look at the cast of characters since Jimmy, and he wasn't perfect himself, all you can say is bring on the clowns until wisdom prevails on some level.
     
  26. vt_dolfan

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    Well...it certainly sounds like maybe Philbin has learned ...Lazor definitely sounds like the kind of OC we have been wanting. Imagine what could have been this season if he were here.
     
  27. KB21

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    Not much different than last season, because the talent to succeed is not there.
     
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  28. jim1

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    Game, set and match my a**. How was the team's "laserlike" focus during this last two critical games of the season? Did we make the playoffs? Did we even play well? Was there a noticeable level of fire and determination among the players? Did they play particulalrly hard? The "laserlike focus" comment is laughable. If I need a closet organized I'll be happy to call Joe Philbin.

    Weren'y you the one touting Philbin as the mastermind of the packers offense and a key in the development of Aaron Rodgers? And then we have this:

    “Players don’t see him as a really good X’s and O’s guy,” said one of the players’ close associates. “He’s just an organizational guy who’s on top of the scheduling and planning.”

    A prominent network analyst who asked not to be named said Ross was fooled if he thought he was getting an offensive savant in Philbin. “His background is offensive line,” the analyst said, adding that Philbin wasn’t the coach primarily developing Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. (And we all know how this offensive line turned out.)

    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...eat-chatter-umluke-problem.html#storylink=cpy

    Interesting.
     
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  29. jim1

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    Exactly. People may be tired of the criticism, but the crticism is warranted and the damage has been done, and will be done. Huizenga didn't know how to run an NFL franchise and neither does Ross.
     
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  30. vt_dolfan

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    Well.....I dont know about you..but just having Ireland gone feels like a wind change. Forget whether or not you believed he was a good evaluator of talent..his personality created a very poisonous atmosphere. There was just this..feeling of an oppressive cloud over this team that could not be ignored. With Ireland gone..to me it feels like we are putting the best people in roles where they can succeed. Surely..Ross could have made headlines by making Aponte GM..but he kept her where she has done an amazing job so far. Now hes looking to put together the best people who can work with Philbin to put the best talent on the field. Thats key. Not just top notch talent evaluators..but ones that can work with the coaching staff to create a new Miami Dolphins team. I like that hes being so thorough. Hes finding the right GM..not just the best GM.
     
  31. PSG

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    Yeah Im completely on the fence with Philbin. Im willing to give him another year...I guess.
    He did have a lack of talent to work with but that collapse at the end of the season was inexcusable. That alone warranted be fired, imo.
     
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  32. Disgustipate

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    Philbin is a middle manager type. He'd be a great assistant head coach, or regional manager for some Midwest grocery store chain. He's not a very good head coach, and should have made a better effort to surround himself with people who were. Lazor looks like a step in the right direction, but it's just one step
     
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  33. vt_dolfan

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    Come on man..a prominent tv analyst can be found to say the exact opposite. For all the experts who say we lost focus because of Philbin..another says we only were even in position to make the playoffs because of Philbin. The reality is..we lost last year because of lack of talent on the Oline. Better talent on the line and we won minimum 11 games. Sure we had holes elsewhere..but not like the line. That was on Ireland..pure and simple. We are damned lucky he didnt kill our franchise worse by getting Tannehill killed.
     
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  34. vt_dolfan

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    Yepp..its just one step..but its a huge one step. His OC hire could make or break next season. Lets hope this new trend continues
     
  35. CitizenSnips

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    8-8 with our offensive line was great. Think about, it was the worst offensive line in franchise history! In the end, it caught up to us. That shutout by the bills was entirely because of the oline. KB is right. If we have better personnel there, we might be an 11 win team.
     
  36. jim1

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    There are games that we should have won, then again we're lucky that we won the Pitt and Cincinatti games and weren't 6-10. The TB game was a joke and the last two games were worse. We should probasbly have won the 1st Bills game and the Panthers and Ravens games- that's how it went this year. I agree that the OL debacle is on Ireland, and I've stated that. I don't hate Philbin as a coach, but I don't like him as a leader and I'm nauseated by that bs between him and Aponte this year. Given the choice between Ireland gone and Philbin I'd choose Ireland gettin gthe boot and I'm glad it happened. Nonetheless, I think that we can do better in terms of a strong and effective HC, I just don't think that Philbin is cut out for it, he's more of the Cam Cameron type imo, better off as an OC.
     
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  37. Ronnie Bass

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    If it's an agent I'm going with David Canter.
     
  38. jim1

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    And does that speak to the coaching, or could it be possible that the talent on the team outside of OL and LB is better than some are claiming? To avoid any unnecessary tangential conversations here, regardless of the answer to that question I'm glad that Ireland is gone- not only is he a jerk, but he brutalized the OL and LB positions. I'm not saying that Philbin is a bad HC, I'm saying that he's not particularly good, and on top of that I find him to be a weak leader and I have a lack respect for him when it comes to the Aponte stuff that happened this year.

    We can do better than him imo, bottom line. There are games that we should have won, then again were were close to being 6-10. That's how it goes with marginal teams. And I agree that the last two games speak volumes as to his ability to get the best out of his players in critical situations.
     
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  39. SICK

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    Your reading comprehension is about as good as your posting history.

    Obviously I mentioned vets in the locker room. It's been reported some players think we need veteran presence in the locker room. I picked Moore and Starks because those guys have been around awhile and they are in the locker room on both sides of the ball.


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  40. slickj101

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    I would love just once for these, "sources" to have the balls to put their ****ing name out there instead of hiding behind anonymity.
     
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