Here we go...:pity:

 

He's blaming him based on the half information he was given.

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Even Cowher, still doesn't know what happened if anything.

 

I think the title "Cowher blames Philbin" is a bit misleading, but the general criticism he is making of Philbin, that he should have been more aware of this situation and should have gotten involved much sooner, is entirely correct.

 

No its not, because none of us have any clue what happened.

Let's not forget, Martin went to Philbin awhile ago, after which Martin was fine enough to join in on the pranks. For all any of us know, Martin just snapped a little, like was originally reported.

 

Yeah i'll reserve judgement until (and if) the full story comes to light.

That said, a leader should be held accountable for what happens on his or her watch, however little their fault it may be.

 

How the team responds over the course of the next few weeks will say a lot about Philbin and the coaching staff.

 

without knowing all the details... IF Philbin knew about this during the spring he needs to be fired

 

Philbin jettisoned the entire "leadership council" and now has a problem with player leadership.

It's hard for me to see how his hands aren't dirty here.

 

A thousand times THIS! Philbin didn't/doesn't want his authority to be challenged so like a coward he gets rid of strong-minded players.

 

The buck stops with Philbin.

 

You don't know what happened.

 

Not at all. But he either had no idea about the bullying situation or no idea about the fact that Martin needed some help / backup. Guys are *****ing about Sherman to the media. This crap with Aponte is coming out. Wallace still seems to be grumbling behind the scenes. Philbin has looked somewhat foolish when trying to address both the Martin and Poiuncey situations.

It's hard to argue he has a good grasp on the locker room right now. Especially for a guy that works so hard to look like a control freak.

 

What Aponte stuff....?

 

We just beat a 6-2 team on a short week, in overtime, after an 0-4 stretch by changing our offensive strategy. I think in light of that, and the fact that none of this crap about Martin vs Incognito has been confirmed, its hard to argue he does not have a grasp on the locker room.

 

The parties had a meeting about it in spring. Up until now, there were apparently no further reports of anything out of the ordinary. Philbin is a football coach, not a watchdog. If Martin continued to feel uncomfortable, he needed to address it.

I'm starting to think Martin just doesn't want to play football any more, and this was an escape hatch he convinced himself he could live with.

 

Martin is addressing it now. The result is that you've accused him of not wanting to play football.

 

PLEASE STOP DEFENDING THESE ****HEADS WE ARE GETIING KILLED ON THE SPORTS SHOWS AND ARENOW BENG ACCUSED OF SWEEPING THIS UNDER THE RUG.

the guys on first take are bashing the front office which is the jest of it and Philbin and Ireland knew this was going on so this is officialy a full blown scandal and we will look real bad before this is all over. they are saying more sources are confirming that the dolphins management did nothing and they expect the NFL will suspend some people and could take some serious action.

Philbin ,Turner and Sherman are under fire as should Ireland and Ross.

 

Who the hell cares. You all are way to concerned with what others think about this team. Makes me wonder if you have the same problem in your everyday lives.

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He could have picked a far better time. This does feel like his desire to play is lacking. If he waited until the offseason, this wouldn't be a circus, cogs would be gone, and he wouldn't have jeopardized his playing career in the process.

Doing it in week 8 tho, makes it a **** storm

 

Granted, we don't know exactly what happened yet, but in my opinion the end result here justifies Philbin being terminated, regardless of the reasoning behind his decisions.

I'm probably in the minority, but I think rookie hazing is completely stupid and counter productive, and I don't know of any actual data which suggests that treating a particular segment of a group like complete garbage makes the entire group function more efficiently. It is an outdated, ineffective philosophy. With injury concerns and a lack of depth at key positions, we should be doing everything possible to get new additions to the team out on the field, as opposed to using them as ATMs and punching bags for angry, grizzled vets.

The entire situation has blown up like this because Philbin was not able to build a cohesive team for whatever reason, and I for one do not trust the franchise to a coach who isn't strong enough to go against the grain to do what's best, or a coach who is too stupid to realize that's what needed to happen.

 

Which is precisely why he's arguing that "perception is reality". At this point, it really doesn't matter what actually happened; the story has taken a life of its own, and now it's out of Philbin's ballpark. He had one chance to keep this under control, and he blew it. No matter the actual outcome, Philbin will always be the coach who tolerated bullying. Perception.

 

What exactly could Philbin have done?

Since we don't know all the facts (or virtually any) you cannot say Philbin did the wrong or right thing.

 

Sure you can. Everyone's doing it, and arguing that it was totally premature - while true - doesn't change the simple fact that it's done.

If Philbin had suspended Incognito immediately, he certainly could've been wrong, as in: Incognito didn't actually do anything wrong. Unfortunately, the outcome really doesn't matter. In the media game, it's always about how you reacted to the allegations.

 

Well, sure, everyone can pick a better time to not have a pressure-based meltdown. Like, say, never.

This is like saying Gary Kubiak and John Fox could have picked better times.

 

Philbin does not have roster authority.

 

Oh, you're arguing semantics. Yes, you can say anything you want.

You can't say these specific things and be right, based on the lack of info we have.

 

Considering his desire to play football was questioned in the spring, I don't think it's a big leap. Combined with his own disappointment in his play, the trade for McKinnie and the speculation that he may have strongly considered suicide on numerous occasions, he could have very well reached a breaking point and does not want to play football anymore.

 

I think the reaction of the team on Monday will let us know if the team itself has issues with Philbin, this is there excuse not to play hard, if there are those in the team that don't want him, don't like him, aren't motivated by him, we should know by their effort and performance yes?

 

Possibly.

 

thats your take on pretty much everything.

Pretty moronic & classess for Cowher to stick his head in and point fingers at this point.... Didn't hesitate to act on hearsay from the guy who walked out on his job... of course thats the leader you want.

 

When, and by whom?

 

John Fox picked a great time. It was a bye week. Kubiak however ... well let's just say Indy came back to win ...

 

Here it is...

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I have to agree, but saying that Philbin is to blame is wrong. Saying that Philbin could have stopped it before it blew up as it has, yes...