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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Jul 27, 2014.
There is much more.Its worth a read
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nice to see. cmon Sims, keep progressing
I'll 2nd that. I think Egnew can become a weapon in this offense as well. I like have 3 guys in Clay, obviously, and potentially Sims and Egnew that could be nice fits. The Arthur Lynch draft pick will still puzzle me. I'm intrigued about Gator Hoskins more than him.
Okay even he has to be shocked he still has a job at this point.
Reads just like Jon Martin's first training camp lol...
meanwhile word from Bills camp is Seantrel Henderson is out there stonewalling Mario Williams.
Trolls are out today eh?
Lynch, special teams guy maybe?
Ya...just don't feed 'em.
All this makes me think is Mario Williams has either lost a step or isn't trying very hard.
I'm liking most of our camp except for our new right tackle. Yes it's early but it does remind me of Martin camp. At lease Martin was second rounder not a first. We need to remember that Wake usually doesn't dominate in training camp and practice. When the lights go on he's dominant.
I am a bit more optimistic about our D. Looks like we will be top 10 if we stay healthy
Suspect he is going in hard on the Rook to man him up, will be interesting when OV faces James, completely different style
Where did this myth come from? I've heard it said a few times now recently... and I don't think that it is true at all.
I would be surprised if Wake wasn't dominating , let's see what this looks like in a week or so .
James struggling doesn't shock me, every rookie tackle last year struggled, I think it's an unrealistic expectation to ask a rookie to start mauling experienced star defensive ends in their first year, there's still a whole lot of body and game development that they need.
Baumhower got his arse handed to him in practice everday by Kooch and Dwight and Little and he said compared to practice games were a breeze. Hope the same is true for James.
I'm not really worried about James potential as a pass protector.
I'm not either...I think by the end of the pre-season, he'll be good enough. As long as he plays smart, his work should be acceptable, because this scheme is going to be squirrelly and those linemen are REALLY going to have to know their playbook.
I don't see how. Wake beats the crap out of everyone when he's healthy. The Martin signs were not the fact he was being beaten by Wake........it was the fact he was getting beat by everyone in camp including the fringe pass rushers.
I think Lynch should be our best inline blocking TE, and therefore has a good chance of making the team and contributing.
Reads just like your first post and all the rest thereafter. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
Piss *** man..I don't want to see this problem this year, I've been dealing with it for two damn years and I'm tired of it..
Get the linebackers to turn and run, see their backs and take the freak off will ya..
I know it's camp you don't have to remind me.
There is a difference between the expectations for JaWuan James and Seantrel Henderson. James is a 1st round pick and he's expected to perform well. Therefore you hear about it when Cameron Wake beats him, but you don't hear much about it when he blocks adequately against Wake. Henderson is a low round guy. You hear about it when he jumps up and "stonewalls" the great Mario Williams. When he gets beaten by Williams, well that's just expected and not notable enough to report.
There's also a rather big gap in terms of quality between Cameron Wake and Mario Williams. Williams is a pretty good pass rusher, Wake is arguably the best.
A little torn on that Daniel Thomas note. It reeks of him being picked on by the reporters. The natural reaction is intended, "OF COURSE Thomas tripped over nothing". It's sort of like the reports of an Egnew drop. It's a dog pile thing.
On the other hand Thomas has earned that reaction from the fans and singling out from the media, and I'm not sure we're hearing about other players just tripping over nothing out there. It's just more of that "it's always something with this guy" feel.
I'm also not sure where Barry Jackson is going with his note about the missed Mike Wallace deep balls from Matt Moore. Is this just a way to continue fanning the flames of frustration over Tannehill's deep ball, even though it wasn't Tannehill throwing them? Or is he trying to say that the missed connections have a way of following Mike Wallace specifically?
Yes I believe there is some piling on in regards to Thomas as well, however I have not been to thrilled with him anyway in the past. I will be a little surprised if he makes the team this year, but that is just my thought and it doesn't mean squat in the scheme of things.
Barry had me at "Plus, Landry catches everything thrown to him."
I don't want to start a whole thread about this, but I did find this note from the 49ers rather hilarious:
Still can't believe last year people kept arguing that he was actually looking good in preseason and such.
I thought Wake had a reputation of practicing with the same intensity that he plays?
Actually I think it's the exact opposite. Omar has been saying pretty consistently since 2009 that Wake doesn't practice at the same level as he plays.
John Congemi isolating the zone-read as a big change in the offense:
One interesting note was about how well Matt Moore has taken to the new system.
I will say this. IF they are indeed changing to a full-on Philadelphia style approach it wouldn't shock me in the least to see Matt Moore take to it better than Ryan Tannehill.
It would remind me a lot of what happened in Philadelphia last year. On paper Michael Vick was born for that system. But on the field it just wasn't working out that way. But then I saw Nick Foles run the offense during the preseason and I noted it back then in a few different places...Foles had fully grasped what I called the "spirit" of that offense a lot better than Vick.
On paper Ryan Tannehill should be way better for this offense than Matt Moore, but if Moore really looks in the preseason like he has a full handle on the spirit of this offense's execution then we could have an interesting season in front of us.
That's an interesting comparison between Moore and Foley. IMO the issue will be how quickly Moore gets rid of the ball. He's never had a quick release, but his experience should help him make the reads quicker. I don't believe that you need to be super athletic for the system to work. Obviously being more athletic doesn't hurt, but the key is to make the defense hesitate. That's the true advantage of a read-option. Against a hesitating defender even average athleticism can be very effective. And quick passes against a hesitating defense can be particularly devastating. I would guess that Moore would compare well to Foles in terms of athleticism. I think the question is can Moore be as quick to decide and deliver the ball.
so which great D-lineman am I thinking of who has a reputation for being a pain in the *** in practice b/c he goes 100%? JJ Watt?
Got me. Is it definitely contemporary? Watt probably goes 150% at all times so that's a good guess. You're not sure whether it was a Dolphin or not?
Quick decisions and management of bodies flying at you inside the pocket. Those would be the things I could imagine (not necessarily predict, but imagine) Matt Moore showing that could lead some to believe he might execute the offense better.
Boy would that be a torturous development though.
There's an insatiable appetite for "news" about training camp practices where very little of consequence is occurring so we get tweets and articles about random events. It's better than nothing I guess, provided it's being put into proper context by the reader. Some people will always overreact to these reports but I like to think most of us know it's just practice.
Yeah it's contemporary. I thought it was Wake, but if it's not him it's not a Dolphin. I just remember offensive linemen moderately whining about how he made it impossible for them to go easy in practice. Thought it was said during the Pro Bowl but I could be wrong.
Do you honestly think it's a possibility Matt Moore would start over a healthy Tannehill in September? Cause I don't. I'd give it about a 0% chance. I don't think Philbin or the new guy at OC would have balls to do it no matter how Tannehill might struggle in preseason. Tannehill played well enough last year to earn the right to be the unquestioned starter going into the year over journeyman Matt Moore, imo. Most importantly the staff have to get an answer on Tannehill's future asap. Is the long-term guy or not? Gotta play him to find out.
You play how you practice.
Our offense has been flat out bad in training camp practices and pre-season for the past 5+ years. And at the end of each of those 5+ seasons we're in the bottom third of the league offensively. It's not a coincidence.
Ben Volin's tweets in Miami Training camp and New England training camp are the most telling. He basically said it's like night and day between Miami and New England's offense in training camp.
This isn't paranoia or overreaction. This is recognizing that our offense is following the same pattern this year that is has in the past that lead to poor offense during the season.