Sports Buzz - DBs are a top priority in upcoming draft

It'd be a mistake. Five years from now people won't be saying Milliner is the best CB in this class. I guarantee that

 

As the roster stands right now I would say OL is the #1 priority with DB #2. Finding a DT to develop this year has to be up there along with TE and depth at RB (late round pick more than likely). Good thing Miami has 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

Just going to throw out that for me getting either Rhodes or Trufant in the 1st, and (if he is there) Cyprien in the 2nd. Our secondary would be set and we focus on DE, OT, or other positions in rounds 2 and 3

 

He's impressive from what I've seen. Could well play zone too. Just not sure how far down the draft he'll go because of the medical. His sternum is still healing and he cannot even lift weights yet because of it. IMO, he could be the 2nd corner you draft, because he may not be 100% by opening day.

 

I personally would not mind doubling down again on CB in the first 2 rounds

 

His track speed is 4.5-4.55. That's typical of TE speed?? Not even the great Eifert ran that fast. Nope. Poyer is an ideal zone corner and his field speed is just fine. His ball skills and hands compare with any corner in this draft.

 

Not a fan of drafting db early, especially when there was a flooded market of vet corners.

 

Guarantee who are you to guarantee anything?You don't know, I don't know none of these experts know that's why you have a ryan leaf drafted in the first round and a tom brady drafted in the 6th.
I think he will be a star but I am not going to tell you I will gurantee it.Thats just my opionion not a fact!If Ireland thinks he will be a star then why wouldn't he move up to grab him with all the draft picks available.Not to mention cb is a glaring need so far not addressed in free agency.I personally would like to trade back and grab tavon Austin later in the first round and then move back into the first to grab effifert but I doubt anybody behind us is willing to move up so I would be ok with moving up to grab milner because he is one of the 3 players I like in the first round.

 

I think you just had a "PLAYOFFS??? PLAYOFFS???" moment with the word guarantee

 

I agree, while the Davis and Smith tandem did not work, we did not worry about a starting corner for 4 seasons

 

For the new model seam threat TEs? Yes. Both Vernon Davis and Jared Cook were timed in the 4.3 range. For the record, I'm not really in love with Eifer or any of the supposed "elite" TEs; I would rather someone like Chris Gragg, who has good size and (according to NFL.com) ran a 4.44 40.

 

well we have to now, we didn't sign anyone and there's really no one left. Apparently we can pay Richard Marshall over 5 mil/yr but not the boatload of better corners that were available in free agency.

As of right now I'm drafting 2 in the first 3 rounds and another one late.

 

Naming 3 TEs (one if whom who hasn't played an NFL down) who run under 4.5 doesn't really lead much credibility to the "typical TE speed" argument. It would take a majority of TEs to run a ~4.50-4.55 for it to be "typical".

 

Semantics. Don't want a corner who runs a 4.5.

 

I am intrigued about this year's draft. After signing Keller and Gibson, things have slowed down considerably even though the line is unsteady and cb has lack of depth. But for some reason I have some faith in Philbin, a former OL coach, and Coyle, a former defensive back coach. I am sure they have a plan.

 

I said 4.5-4.55 was typical for new model seam threat tight ends. Anything under that is decidedly atypical. I don't want a slot guy who won't be able to recover if he's made to look the fool by a TE. Ideally I also want a TE who is so fast even the fastest corners and safeties would be going all out just to stay with them step for step.

Speed is just another way to stress a defense to the breaking point and, unlike scheme or route running, it can't be taught.

 

still need a CB

 

Marshall is more than capable of being a #2.

 

cant recommend drafting a player whos name you cant spell… lol

 

whose

 

eefffeerrrttt

 

He wasn't very good last year. Even before the injury. I think if Miami does bring in a veteran and drafts at least one, Marshall would be be salary cap casualty candidate.

 

Not really. I would've taken 80% of this year's FA corners over him

 

Patterson or Marshall could play as #2 CB and the other as a Nickelback

 

If you look at 2011, the last full season Marshall played, he did pretty well according to some measurements.
According to PFF, he led all corners in run stop pct. He was 26th out of 66 corners who played in 50% of their team snaps, in tackling efficiency. He was 3rd in coverage snaps per reception. 2nd in coverage snaps per target. 13th in lowest passer rating into his coverage.
In the slot he had the 4th lowest passer rating into his coverage. Among corners who played at least 25% of snaps in the slot, he was 4th in coverage snaps per reception. 14th in coverage snaps per target.
I just hope he has totally recovered from his back injury and is able to play the entire season. IMO, if so, we'll be fine at #2 corner.

 

I dont think there was single CB in this FA market that Marshall is better then.

 

4 games into the season, in a new defense. He was elite in Arizona and great in Carolina. The guy deserves a chance, at least as a 2.

Based on this list http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000147048/article/free-agency-primer-ranking-the-cornerbacks

You'd rather have Brice McCain, Ryan Mouton, and Shawntae Spencer than Richard Marshall. We disagree.

 

Well then, you and LBsfinest can get together and form a "I Hate Marshall Club".

 

No way, Ireland signed him there is no way that he could have ever played well at all… ever… I really dont know how the guy is in the NFL. Really, wasnt even good enough to play in the NCAA level….

Ireland, could sign Jesus himself and people here would complain that he couldnt get off the cross!

 

I will do that… you waterhead!

 

Not to mention that Marshall was probably playing hurt

 

You fooled me. As long as I've known you, I should have picked up on your sarcasm when you responded to Mr LBFinests, with:

Well played sir.

 

lol.. who the F names their kid that!

 

Thank you, thank you… thank you….

 

70%? let's just say the vast majority are better, most of them cheaper as well. propping up a guy as a starter when he could very well not even make the team is pretty funny to me. in fact there isn't one CB currently on the team that's even a lock to make it.

as of right now, the CBs are as weak as our WRs were last season. hopefully we target multiple guys early in the draft to strengthen the group.

 

Joselio Hanson, William Middleton, Rashean Mathis, Marcus Trufant?

DeAngelo Hall?

I'd also guess that Carroll, Stanford, and Posey are locked and loaded, in order of my "sureness". Marshall and Patterson are dependent on what we do for the rest of FA and the Draft. At $5 mil a pop, I only would like to keep one. Marshall if he's healthy, and Patterson if he's not.

I think we'd be fine with just one of D.Trufant or Grimes, plus a mid-rounder, with the guys above filling out the rest of the depth chart.

 

Is the "I don't study/understand DB play" club already full?

 

Most of the FA WRs can play CB better than him too.

 

Probably gonna have John Jerry and Nate Garner play both ways this coming season. The word from the coaches is that they figure it would help Jerry to keep his weight under 330 lbs if he plays cornerback too. So, just so he doesn't feel picked on, they're gonna let Garner join him. Both of them are also better than Marshall, just ask LBFinest.

 

Grammer police huh?I thought you always started a sentence with a capital?I guess pumpdogs needs to go back to school!