There is a lot more on position battles .Learn who looks good and who is on the bubble:up:
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Barry Jackson's reports are solid and spot on. Lots of different quotes and news from many different sources.
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That's pretty significant that Mike Pouncey came right out on record for David Garrard. In listening to them all interviewed, they've all been very good at being political about the QB competition. Brian Hartline was the only one to break with that by saying Matt Moore is his guy, but he admitted it had nothing to do with how they're looking in the competition but rather just because he's already caught passes from him. Pouncey's observation (if he's correct) that the pace of the offense while Garrard is in seems to be at a whole different level could be the nail in the coffin. This staff really seems to care about the offense's pace a lot.
I like that Barry Jackson brings up that if Daniel Thomas doesn't significantly improve then it will open the door for Lamar Miller. One thing that I think people don't acknowledge enough is that with Steve Ross' admission that the staff had a 1st round grade on Lamar Miller, there's a significant chance the Dolphins internally had Miller rated higher than Daniel Thomas. As Barry Jackson says, Thomas was awful in short yardage situations a year ago, which were supposed to be his thing. That's not exactly Lamar Miller's forte, but the weakness in the Daniel Thomas story does open the door for him.
It's interesting (if true) that Joe Philbin really likes Legedu Naanee as the 4th. I know there have been Philbin quotes about Naanee bandied about but I saw that interview and Philbin was asked specifically about Naanee so he talked about him, and his praise seemed faint, his descriptions obvious, I didn't get the feel of any sparkle in his eye or anything like that. Barry Jackson was saying that Naanee just has to make sure some young guys don't outperform him by a lot in preseason, and I don't think that's quite accurate. As the 4th with all those younger guys behind him, Jeff Ireland is going to push for any rookie/young player that is CLOSE to Naanee to actually leap him on the depth chart. That's his habit. Veteran guy versus young guy, if it's close, the young guy wins. That's actually been a publicly stated philosophy for the Dolphins under Jeff Ireland.
I continue to find it interesting that so many coaches around the league think so highly of Matt Moore. It's BROAD support at this point. This isn't the first piece that has dragged out the opinions of several head coaches and front office executives that think Matt Moore is really good. Whether we're crazy and they're right, I won't get into. The competition will play itself out. However, if Moore loses the quarterback competition...does that mean he has trade value? -
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I liked reading the part about people believing Michael Egnew could be "great". We havent had a great TE here in a very long time.
I want to see more from Daniel Thomas, Jonathan Wade/Nolan Carroll, and John Jerry (who is a RT not a RG imo). If we believe Jerry is a guard he should be traded immediately to someone who sees him as a tackle...get a pick for him and sign Jake Scott (Guard-Titans) immediately. As a guard Jerry will simply operate like a phone booth guard which is not really zone-blocking-scheme-friendly. Its also completely unnecessary in a ZBS. Scott is a much better fit for what Philbin is probably looking for from a guard.
I dont believe that Legadu Nanee will make this team. He cant play ST's (returns) and hes not a deep guy. Hes pretty much a possession guy with mediocre hands making him a lesser version of Bess and Ocho at this stage. That also makes him completely unnecessary. If we keep 5 the obvious 5 imo are: Bess-Hartline-Ocho-Wallace-Matthews/Cunningham winner. If we keep 6 its between Matthews/Cunningham/Fuller/Moore/Pruitt/Gates/Nanee and the winner will be dependent on whether they want a proven player or upside.The Rev likes this. -
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I do not live in the area but read all the papers online and IMO, Jackson is the best of all of them. Omar at times is not half bad but the guy always pulls the trigger on something to be first in line and it usually blows up in his face. Also, his practice reports. Sometimes I honestly wonder if I was at the same practice he was at.
Armando ? story teller to day the least. Kid loves a good mystery novel LOL. IMO, Miller is going to turn out to be better then Thomas, a lot better. -
The praise of Egnew from Anthony Fasano is something I take with a grain of salt. Minus a point because Fasano is Egnew's direct mentor, minus a point because Fasano talked about Egnew within the context of talking about the entire position and listing the other guys behind him, minus a point because his description of Egnew was nothing more than the tired old "big guy who can run" language we hear all the time about tons of players who end up being total scrubs.
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B) I'm pretty sure they drafted several players ahead of Lamar Miller that didn't have a 1st round grade. The Dolphins draft based on need.
C) How do you know they had a 1st round grade on Jonathan Martin? The position was a big time need. Don't you find that conspicuous?
D) I'm not sure that Egnew and Vernon needed to have 2nd round grades. Egnew was a need, and he very well could have been the last Day 2 worthy Tight End left on the board. If there was a big gap between Egnew and the next group of tight ends on their board, that could be why they took a 3rd round player in the 3rd round even though there was a 1st round player available at a position they considered a strength (tailback).
E) Ireland's already said that if you're grading this Draft purely on where THEY internally had all these guys rated, they "hit it out of the park". I have no doubt they had 1st round grades on Tannehill and Miller. There's a possibility they had a 1st round grade on Jon Martin although I'm a little skeptical since it was such a position of heavy need. I think they may have had a 2nd round grade on Olivier Vernon although I believe they had a 3rd round grade on Michael Egnew and took him because of need and because there was probably a big gap between him and the next guys on their ranking. I think the B.J. Cunningham pick was for a coach, just my opinion, and I think Ireland had Rishard Matthews graded higher. I think Ireland probably had Kheeston Randall much higher than the 7th round. Not really a position of need but he still picked him even with Rishard Matthews on the board.UCF FINatic and djphinfan like this. -
4 more days to report, 5 more day till camp....its finally around the corner
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That quote about Egnew was from Fasano right Matt?
I remember when Lagadu first came into the league and playing for the chargers, liking his game and thinking to myself he was a pretty good player, wanna see if our youngsters developed before I just dismiss him.
If Garrard wins it in a good competition, maybe Philbin and green bay talk about a trade, Graham Harrell is the backup to Rodgers, however they seem like a team that will stick to their development system, but if there is a trade partner I would certainly do it, for all reasons related to Tannehill and his rep count.
Keep hearing things about how Chad looks explosive off the line and whatnot, that video that surfaced a few weeks ago showed that he does have his quickness off the line, and it wasn't a normal receiver type quickness, it was better than you would think, I wrote a couple years ago saying that I think his game would digress because of what I saw in relation to his physique, so I'm anxious to see if what I saw improved.
Gates is 26 years old, time to step up son..Hopefully he's one who worked real hard this offseason because he really needs the strength.
Want to see this Wade kid play, I'm not a fan of Nolan Carroll.
I would love it if Javorskie Lane or Messam are talented and can block and catch, one of them being able to play fullback and be our short yardage guy would be nice for our rosters overall talent grade.
If some of those short yardage carries came over the right side of our line, that stat might be a small sample size to judge Thomas, because they really sucked.
Our three tight ends sure are different from one another, pretty diverse to line'em all up in a set, could be cool.
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Well, thing is the reports about Johnson should be taken with a grain of salt until the preseason games begin as even practices are not the real thing, that is where he will show whether he has it or not.
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Lane, when at ATM, was a one man wrecking crew. Did not and have not followed him since but do know while in college, the kid ran some people over bigtime. Maybe not John Riggins type of big time but still, the kid could run and was the size of a house. Crap, if he can accomplish a foot on 4th and one, Keep him.
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I was, and still am skeptical about the Daniel Thomas pick. I thought Ireland trading up to get him was pretty questionable. I see a big RB who has some change-of-direction ability, and isn't simply a North-South runner... and, I get that players like that have value... however, I don't see that he has particularly good vision, and he's rather soft for a bigger player.
However, I love the Lamar Miller pick. 4th rounder? Wow. I'm still kinda giddy about it.
Now, It wouldn't shock me at all to see Miller overtake Thomas although Miller is a similar player to Bush, and he doesn't offer the 'power' ability the Phins might need behind Reggie. Although it's more of a long-shot, It wouldn't exactly shock me to see Jonas Gray beat Thomas out. At this point, I kinda like a healthy Gray better. I think he runs better than Thomas. -
B.) That makes sense as we easily could have gotten by without taking Miller this draft. I have a feeling Ireland looked at his board and felt that Miller was just too good of a value not to draft at that point though.
C.) I just assumed he had a first round grade because we were picking so early in the second round. Also in the beginning of the draft process I was seeing him consistently mocked in the top 15. His stock sort of took a nose dive in the combine and pro day because supposedly he was sick. I am curious if Ireland overlooked those factors and let his game tape speak alone while he ranked Martin. They could have had a lower grade on him though. You are correct about it being a major need and after him there was a big drop off in talent.
D.) That makes a lot of sense.
E.) I really like the fact that Ireland came out and said the way he felt about this draft. Since we "killed it" from their internal rankings this could be the draft that really shows how good of a GM Ireland really is. Sometimes things fall your way and other times they don't. Since things supposedly fell our way during this years draft and Ireland feels that strongly about our draft, I think this could really let us see Ireland's true talent. -
Also, ckp do you think we would have taken Cordy Glenn over Jonathan Martin if they were both on the board?
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Bush and Thomas will be replaced by Miller and either Lane or Messam or Gray.Larry Little likes this. -
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People seem to have unfair criticisms with Thomas. He played his rookie year banged up and people want to draw conclusions based on that. Totally unfair IMO. Give the kid a chance with a real offseason and a full bill of health.
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I think the drafting of Miller and the lack of an extension for Bush speaks volumes.
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