Two things of note in that one:

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Garner was steam rolled back into THill for an early sack and was replaced

I thought that was the plan, THill was going to be forced to be a pocket Qb first and foremost, to the point I think it hinders his decision making now. That is one of the reasons why he seems to hesitate when pressured, his instinct is to run, his coaching is to stay in the pocket

I guess OV being shuffled out of the lineup when the Stealers where having success running to his side was not worth commentary.

 

Brenner was rated as a draftable player prior to the draft. Just another rookie free agent who has showed he should have been drafted.

 

Yep, and the CFL to NFL pipeline of 1 or 2 players per yr, who turn out to be pro bowl quality during their careers, is one sign of how talent evaluators in the NFL are far from perfect.

Heck, Jamar Wall and Jeff Fuller are both playing up there atm, I could see either one returning to the NFL and doing quite well in 2 yrs

 

I mentioned this a few times , but I thought Tannehill has looked like he was making a decision to stay in the pocket as opposed to reacting as the play dictated. It just looked like he was "following orders" . Not that that was a bad thing , as the intent was as mentioned , but that was then , this is now.

Put a dagger through NE's heart with your legs if you have to 17.

 

Yep, can understand not wanting the CKap/RG3 path for THill as a young Qb, think they went to far with it to the point it makes him hesitant to take off out of a collapsing pocket

 

I can dig that..it's good to hear from the horses mouth..he sure as hell demonstrated he's being coached up..

Wow, that blows me away for some reason...you have other coaches fulling immersing their qbs legs into their gameplan...not ours..pretty damn cool if it pays off.

 

That's good stuff...lets keep this winning streak going, I'm in favor of seeing how this continuity stuff works with coaches and players.

 

Huh???? Am I missing something, is that not a contradiction.??

Wouldn't it be wise to call timeout if on the previous play your guys were dispersed all over the field.?

Sounds like Carolina all over again...I hope I'm reading that wrong.

 

I would like to see if he can now start to incorporate his legs more in his own, ya know, he's learned what it is they want, it would be a cool incremental progression in his development if we all of a sudden see a leap in his awareness and escapability..kind of a one thing at a time thing.

 

Other coaches are doing that to the detriment of the development of said quarterback. You win in this league from the pocket, not with your legs. If your legs are in addition to your pocket ability, that's great. However, as Mike Sherman said, the quarterback running is part of the offense.....its not the offense.

A quarterback that has to rely on his legs to make plays will not last long in this league. This is one big reason why I've never been a big proponent of drafting quarterbacks that can run or are what I consider to be run first quarterbacks. Ryan was different in college. You could tell he was athletic, but when he made the move from receiver to quarterback, you could tell that he was a natural quarterback who just happened to be athletic enough to play receiver, not the other way around.

 

That's the key. You have to know when to hang in the pocket and when to make the move to escape and extend the play. Instead of having designed running plays for the quarterback, we really need to be stressing making plays from the pocket and using your legs to extend the pocket or take off running only when necessary.

Here's a write up that Matt Waldman made on Ryan before the 2012 draft.

 

Not a big fan of the approach tbh, it makes Tannehill hesitate to often.

If folks recall, it was the same story last season, THill rarely ran, hurt his knee v NYJest, then the last couple of games he started running and being really effective at it.

 

If the run is there, go for it. But I'd rather have him be a pocket passer and run when it presents itself. I do like what he can do with his legs and he's shown that capability in the last few weeks. I just find it weird that they don't use him like that more on the goal line.

 

If I'm not mistaken (I'll exclude Foles as I haven't seen him much) Tannehill is the only QB drafted in the past three years that has been asked and has shown the ability to make progression reads from the pocket. All of Newton, Locker, C-Kap, Luck, RG3, Wilson, Manuel and Smith are not showing this ability. Happy feet is common amongst these QBs.

I am not convinced that these are skills that QBs can just figure out in their late 20s. For all the complaining regarding Tannehill's lack of running, this might be the trait that ensures we have a top QB well into his 30s.

 

I'm down with that type of discipline in his development if doesn't interfere with a qbs natural instinct as to when to run, kinda like what has been happening with Ryan thus far this year...

Essentially your saying you have to sacrifice that part of the qbs repertoire in order for the pocket skills to reach it's fullest potential?, and if so do you expect it to come back into the fold at some point based on the comfortability he will of attained learning it this way?

 

They did not want to stop the clock for the stealers, BUT, this is a case of being to smart by half, especially on a snowy field..anything could have happened and nearly did happen

 

Getting back on subject about the last play of the game:

Does anyone have a different angle or still shot of the moment when Big Ben pitched the ball to Brown?
Everytime I try to look at it, it looks like a foward pass.

 

I read somewhere that if you go back to the snap that the Steelers were never set and that the play should have been dead then. would be interesting to see the whole play start to finish.

 

I'm starting to understand the reasoning not to use his legs on purpose, however, that 10 yard average when running the zone read always tempts me, I guess the average is so high because of how non- frequently we run it..

I'm very excited to see how Sherman's development philosophy with this Qb turns out..im thinking the story in the news should be about RG3 and why they didn't follow a similar style, yet they theorize why he isn't playing at the same level he did last year, well, I would think that's because they can not run him the same amount of reps for risk of injury, and he cannot have the same effectiveness without the runs ya know..His accuracy from the pocket is shady, his follow thru is spaztic, and you cant play the college game at this level for long I'm learning because of that risk..I'm getting that there has to be a tilted balance towards the pocket if you want your Qb to last, its hard because I see the advantages and effectiveness, but one shot is all it takes..

The reason why I'm more acceptive to the philosophy with Ryan is because I believe his true potential is from the pocket, where I get confused is this, is the temporary lethargy due to the philosophy he is practicing? and will we see the escapability trait come back into the fold the more comfortable he gets going thru those reads, logic tells me yes, which is exciting..

I do believe that even though some perceive stagnant qbs as non playmakers, I think the elite ones are masters in the pocket at maneuverability, and I would suppose that skill will only develop thru thousands of reps from the pocket..

Luck...Wilson..Kap...I don't think I would take the same approach..I think that's who they are, and it has yet to be determined which way will be they way to win a championship.

 

That sucks, I liked Renshaw.

 

Be honest now, how many of us thought that guy was going to house it and we'd lose on the last play of the game in the brutal, painful, manner possible?

 

Best column in So Fla sports. Thanks.