Sports Buzz-Marshall longs for longer passes

That's a stat line I could have gone without reading.

 

what about when he had Cutler who IMO is better than Orton

 

But...but..BMarsh is THE BEAST!?!?!



This is a part of the reason why I've said we need a burner as it would help Marshall to play in more space when he catches the ball, without one Defenses can basically play Red Zone Defense against us.

I also think Chad Henne, Rocket Arm (how about RPG7 as his nickname?) needs to work on his play action passing motion as that would freeze the Safeties and Lb's long enough to create spacing for routes, especially if R&R were having a good game.

 

All the way

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpJxMyAr6TU"]YouTube- Kyle Orton 75 yard pass to Brandon Marshall[/ame]

RAC

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPINVd9zBko&feature=related"]YouTube- Broncos Brandon Marshall 50 Yard Game Winning Touchdown vs Dallas 2009[/ame]


i think he can do both, with little help on confusing Defenses like in the 1st video and we all know he can run after he catches it...

 

" The moment Chad Henne walks on to the field, he's gonna have the best arm in the game."

Velocity + Trajectory= stretching the defense without elite speed...

I don't think your taking into account what it means to have the most lethal arm in the game at QB.

You now have a player that cannot be left on an island with a corner, Ive seen BM physically discard the corner in the bump zone, a safety's gonna have to cheat over with this guy, cause Henne can flick the ball 50 yards with his wrist..It's gonna happen, more than once.

I'll take the arm of Henne, and The double team that Brandon will command, Hartline, Cam, and Bess, over interjecting speed into that equation....Our offense is set Pod, all parts look harmonious to be.

 

Sure, ideally, more than likely though Henne will be asked to be a highly efficient WCO style passer Deej, lots of shorter/timing routes.

That dovetails with the running game, and you can go deep via out and up routes and deeper slant routes, however the days of the "Go" route seem to be numbered imho.

And I'd still like to see DBess and RGM and Greg C lined up in a bunch, with BMarsh out on the Island, the two little guys buzzing on crossing routes, Greg C making for the 1st down marker, if BMarsh is man covered..Henne would think it is Christmas come early..

 

well, we've been working on horizontal football for two years now, and mastered it in the run game..Henne can threat anywhere on the field, that's what I feel all cozy inside about...and Ronnie and Ricky being able to run with space that they have never seen in a dolphins uniform...thats what I'am most excited about, to see 2 elite talents run with space that they are not accustomed to...I feel sorry for fool's this year, were stacked.

 

I don't know, the stats might be a little misleading. I just looked through the gamebooks and there were 32 passes thrown at Marshall that were classified as "deep" in the description of the play.

He personally caught 9 of them for 321 yards and 3 TDs, but two other plays resulted in 54 yards of penalties that were incurred directly as a result of DBs defending him illegally. Also, one of the deep balls intended for him was popped up for an 87 yard Brandon Stokley touchdown. Altogether the NFL gamebooks say there were 32 attempts at Marshall deep and the results were 12 successful plays, 462 yards and 4 TDs. That's 14.4 yards per attempt and a TD every 8th try.

There were 3 INTs but one came on a hail mary attempt at the end of the first half of the Patriots game (ball was actually intercepted by Randy Moss who was playing DB because the defense knew hail mary was coming). There was another hail mary in there among the incompletes.

 

After looking through those 32 plays I would say there were about 8 unsuccessful plays where Brandon Marshall could have done a better job, either going up for the ball more aggressively, selling his route and creating better separation, catching a ball that hits his hands, etc.

That left about 13 unsuccessful plays that were a combination of things that were not very much in Brandon Marshall's control.

This starts with a deep throw against the Bengals that turned into the big Stokley game winning touchdown. The Broncos were actually in desperation mode and so the Bengals were pulling everyone back expecting the deep ball and specifically to Marshall, who actually had three defenders in the area (counting the one that was trailing Stokley). The underneath cover guy tipped the ball before Marshall could have a whack at it. I don't really consider this Marshall's fault.

Then there's a "deep" ball against the Raiders which really only went 16 yards up the field vertically but the NFL gamebooks call it a deep ball. This was just a turf ball, totally on Orton. Speaking of Orton bad throws there was also a ball that would have got 17 yards up the field that Orton threw way high for Marshall against the Cowboys, a fade in the end zone against the Patriots that was woefully underthrown and inside and Marshall had to try and go through the defender to the ball just to even defend it from being intercepted, a post route against the Chargers that would have gone about 30 yards vertically if Orton had actually led Marshall over the middle instead of to the outside where the coverage was, a vertical to Marshall in the end zone that was thrown way too late and out the back of the end zone, a woefully underthrown vertical against the Redskins that would have gone 50 yards vertically had the ball not so thoroughly died in the air, a fade against the Chargers that had way too much air under it which screwed up the timing and put it through the back of the end zone and gave the defender advantage, a fade against the Chiefs that went too far out of bounds, and a fade against the Colts that died in the air and was woefully underthrown turning into an interception.

And those were just the bad throws. There were others that were just poor timing or bad decisions because the zone defenders had read the QB's eyes and were focusing their nets on Marshall but the QB threw it anyway.

I would say that for throws that gave Marshall a genuine chance at the ball, Marshall either failed to get open or fail to come down with the ball twice for every three times he successfully got open and either came down with the ball or drew the penalty. The problem is that Orton himself had about a 50% success rate when it came to making the right decision and throwing a good ball with good timing. This is what leads to Marshall's being successful on only about one third of the deeper throws.

 

Just a question for the board?

In your opinion, Who are the top 5 Deep QB to Receiver connections in the league?

 

Henne-to-Air Marshall
Henne-to-Air Marshall
Henne-to-Hartline (had to sneak one of these in)
Henne-to-Air Marshall
Henne-to-Air Marshall

There's my top 5 Deej

 

I still wish we wouldve passed on a 5th rounder and kept our one deep threat who also happened to be an elite return man....but what do I know.

 

They just may be on that list come the end of this year Rock, I Don't see a big advantage in what speed can bring to this offense vrs taking the skillset away of one Hart, Bess, or Cam...

For example, I would take Anthony Gonzales over any other 2nd receiver in the game, and anthony is not a speedster, he would fit beautifully here so i'am hopin for my own version in hartline...So then the question is, would I trade Bess for a Jacoby ford type just to get that speed element on the field..I'am not so sure I'd do that at this point.

 

I like the addition of Marshall to this offense. Miami has always seemed to run an offense that feasts on shorter passes, sort of matriculating down the field as Hank Stram would say. Risky if you don't have enough talent or safe enough personnel to where you risk turnovers. But what Marshall does is he is a short pass specialist, so he makes that sort of attack work. He can take those short dumpoffs that go less than 10 yards up the field and safely, steadily turn them into first downs with a few bigger plays sprinkled in when he does something ridiculous RAC-wise.

My research has found that when the Broncos have thrown the ball "deep" according to the NFL's own descriptions in gamebooks, Marshall has consistently converted on about 35% of those pass attempts both in 2009 and 2008. That spans different playbooks, different quarterbacks and different team philosophies. The Broncos threw "deep" to him like 54 times in 2008 and only 32 times in 2009, but the success percentage was still 35% in 2008 and 34% in 2009. He created about 10.3 yards per attempt whenever the Broncos went "deep". My opinion is that this is not an elite level deep threat among NFL WRs. But it is enough to see defenses consistently keep shell coverage over top of him because he does score long touchdowns and he does make plays happen over 30 and 40 yards He's so physical with the ball in the air and so good at using his hands to get off the press at the line, you just can't afford to single cover him down the field. And truly he had a QB in 2009 that from both a timing and accuracy standpoints, did him no favors...as about 14 of the incompletions on said "deep" passes in 2009 were faulted more on the QB than anyone else. I didn't take a close look at Cutler's pass attempts but the argument that Cutler is an overrated QB certainly received a boost when he struggles so much this year.

So Marshall in many ways resembles the offense Miami has tried to run in 2008 and 2009. He's an extremely tough run blocker. He feasts on short passes and executes them consistently into above-normal gains which keeps the chains moving and allows for a possession-based offense. Then he sprinkles in huge plays that get the team easy scores. That's Miami's offense. Run block. Execute shorter plays to wind your way down the field. Sprinkle in big plays and easy scores, enough to keep defenses respecting the possibility.

That's one reason I think Michael Lombardi may like this offense so much, because he sees that the Miami offense and Brandon Marshall already speak the same language. They're not adding a piece of the puzzle that is so foreign to them that they are forced to add elements to the philosophy and get out of their comfort zone. They're supercharging their own unique approach to make it viable and dangerous.

 

Well the best deep ball receivers are both Jacksons (desean vincent), santonio holmes was good, Andre Johnson of course, austin, etc. etc.

marshall is not a deep threat. Is that scheme or him? we'll see this year. Is it because he's so crazy awesome 1-10 yards you throw it that way and see what he creates? maybe. his numbers went down with McDaniels and orton. As CK said he fits this offense to a T.

He'll supercharge our dink and dunk, turning into dink and slamdunk. however, chunk yardage is always always more desirable. If you do not have that ability, if one of our other WRs don't step up and show big play capability, watch as teams slowly adjust towards Marshall until someone makes them pay.

 

I think we'll run the ball at a higher ratio than the last two years, even with the addition of Marshall. I just believe the Marshall plan will affect the power running game and the wildcat run game so much that it won't be necessary to pass more....

When your used to executing in a box, and you add a Brandon Marshall to it, lack of a speed threat is not high on my worry list...

 

Damn the NFL season can't get here soon enough for me. I saw what Marshall did with the Broncos from living here in Colorado. What I love the most about him is he can break away from most d-back's tackles and turn a 5yard catch into a 50 yard catch. If teams try to double him that leaves our other receivers and tight ends open. This is going to be so fun to watch. Also if teams start cheating to stop our passing game we then have Ricky and Ronnie running like crazy.

 

we really do have the makings of a truly balanced offense, we can beat you both ways depending on your weaknesses...

 

Thx for posting, as always Barry Jackson/FSB is the best source of Dolphins news down here.

 

Obviously you have forgotten how unreliable Ginn was... Drops, bobbles, avoiding contact at all cost. He wasn't worth the 5 plays a season he would make, even if they were TD's.

 

He made a bunch of mistakes in the middle of the season, but was more solid at both ends. The fact of the matter is Ginn's skills are still missing from our offense. A speedster like Ginn who doesn't have to be #1 or even #2 WR would be a welcome addition to our passing attack. Can Hartline be that guy full time? We'll see I guess.

Reports out of SF are that ginn has lost his heart in Football apparently. So addition by subtraction I guess. We got our guys now, I'm hoping for some explosive plays. We can talk about WRs all day, but it all rests on Henne's shoulders. Remember when Tom Brady's best WR was Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney? And he still made it into the playoffs and almost beat indy? Yeah

 

A balanced but dangerous offense coupled with an "offensive-minded" defense....sounds really good to me. Thanks for posting.

 

I like the Robot better.