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Stadium Remodel Begins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    because of how it's built yes, the whole upper deck is built tragically far away from the field... So I guess 400 mill gets you half the stadium closer lol
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If the changes work then you will see more Dolphins fans who want to be a part of it, you see a lot of the other teams fans because the stadium provides no energy for the home team, which affects performance and results and attendance, the only fun comes from winning... Not in helping the team win..
     
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  3. Vertical Limit

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    Well by 2016 when the remodeling ends I expect Philbin gone so attendance will go up.
     
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  4. MikeHoncho

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    From the comments section
    Home field advantage.

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  5. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there

    Yep... We want the visitors to have the sun in there face when it's 105F.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Is this true? Is this how the design sets up?
     
  7. MikeHoncho

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    More likely just coincidental. Pretty neat though.

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  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Yeah, check out the sun study in the PDF. Aparently, in Sep at 1pm, the playing field and North sideline are in the sun, but the South sideline is in the shade. In October, the Southern third of the playing field is in the shade. In November, basically the whole field is in the shade, but the Northern sideline is in the sun. If true, big advantage. And, as I said, no reason to wear white at home the second half of the season either (or for 4pm games early).
     
  9. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 He can smell your fear

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    Sun life advantage


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  10. Da 'Fins

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    The visitors have always had the sun in their face while we've had it on our backs and that has been intentional. But, the roof will just exacerbate that as the Dolphin bench will always be in the shade.
     
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  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thats so cool, and so annoying, we really never had shade before...for our fans it will help so much to keep their energy.
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    That's friggin' awesome. Very helpful image to better understand the heat/sun advantage we will have. Thanks jdallen1222.
     
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  13. Brasfin

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    This is probably moot, but the one drawback I can think of for having our sidelines in the shade all the time is that the players could start "liking" the sidelines more than the field on extremely hot days, haha
     
  14. MikeHoncho

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    Either way the roof is a welcome addition
     
  15. finwin

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    Teams have started bringing their own tarp and ice fans. They're probably cooler on their sidelines than the Dolphins these days.
     
  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Which probably plays a part in the heat sapping them on the field.
     
  17. Coloradotrv

    Coloradotrv Well-Known Member

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    Retrofits on these kind of construction projects are much more expensive than building new. The structural retrofit in order to provide the upper deck closer seats, would be an insanely difficult task and it would have been ridiculously expensive. To improve the stadium experience at every level, Ross should have bought land near south beach and built a new stadium. Would have been more economical than trying to retrofit the upper bowl of the current stadium.
     
  18. 77FinFan

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    I kind of wish he had done this. Start fresh and make an awesome, football only stadium like Seattle. Spare no expense for a .500 team.
     
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  19. vt_dolfan

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    Have you seen how hard its been for David Beckham to even get a site to build their Soccer Stadium? Miami is gonna screw themselves out of a great new MLS franchise at a time where soccer is beginning to really take off.
     
  20. Coloradotrv

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    No doubt. I didn't say it would be easy, just that the dollars make more sense that way. Miami-Dade is still butthurt about the Marlins, and rightfully so. However they need to move on. Could start a world class soccer club in Miami if they let him.
     
  21. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    The build itself may be cheaper but the land and proper infrastructure to support a new site would not be cheaper.
     
  22. Coloradotrv

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    True, but I agree with DJ on his main point through this whole process. The investment, would be worth it. A downtown stadium does a lot more for walk up revenue, fan excitement, city excitement and city pride than a stadium 20-30min outside of town does. Though this is a situation where I am throwing around someone elses money, which makes it a lot easier for me ask for things like that haha.
     
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  23. Fin D

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    But the city won't pay for it.

    Like I said, its more than just find land and build the most awesome stadium ever.

    The roads, permits, parking, utilities, public support all take serious amounts of cash to grease wheels.

    Would it be great for football? Sure, but that's all revenue sharing with the league anyway, the extra money comes in from non football stuff.
     
  24. Jt0323

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    They didnt so a Sun study for January because they never play then. waste of time
     
  25. Fineas

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    This project is supposedly costing around $400 million or so. No way a whole new stadium could be built to a comparable level at anywhere near that amount.

    There is no massive piece of available land near South Beach for a stadium and even if there was the cost would be insanely expensive. Prime downtown Miami lots have sold for $100 million per acre and much less prime lots have gone for $40 million per acre. To build a football stadium plus parking you would need at least 60 acres (Sun Life and its surrounding parking is 160 acres) and South Beach real estate is generally even more expensive than downtown. Not only is a new stadium near South Beach not feasible (even if an appropriate lot existed), but traffic and parking would be an absolute nightmare.
     
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  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    agreed on all counts...Could of changed the game and been an innovator, instead he chose safely to upgrade...Ill take it, but always with a lot of frustration.

    He would make the money back very quickly on the investment if he built from scratch to intimidate..but we hear Finkle talk about how they won't be able to replicate the orange bowl but this will help..yes..it will help.
     
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thats the thing, for such hi level business men they apparently are not recognizing whats happening in seattle..

    I guarantee you if you approached the university of miami alum with my idea, he wouldn't have had to foot the bill on the whole thing, he would of had minority investors that would of wanted a piece of a built to intimidate OB2 structure..you could of made a revolution.
     
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  28. Coloradotrv

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    I am including the cost of retrofitting the upper deck in my ciphering. Takes the $400mil tag to around $750-800mil

    I am not in any way blaming ross for not doing it, I understand the costs. I understand the real estate values of south beach. My point was that to retro fit the top deck would have cost so much that it may have been more economical too look at an extreme option like building a new stadium and that is why they didn't do that.

    Again, I am playing with someone else's money.
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Besides a season ticket and price increases because of the attraction I wonder how much paul allen has to share when it comes to the money made off that 12th man culture.
     
  30. Fineas

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    There's not a whole lot of walk up revenue for football and downtowns are not terrible logical for football either. Much of the density in downtowns is business, which aren't open on Sundays. And for those that do live there, people generally don't just wake up Sunday morning and decide to go to the game. Most people are coming from elsewhere, with many of them coming from far away. A downtown or South Beach stadium would be very inconvenient for most fans, including those in Broward, PBC and Kendall/Homestead. Getting tens of thousands of cars into and out of that area on game day would also be a nightmare, as it would be approximately 3-4 times the traffic when there is a Heat game and a show at the Arsht at the same time. there is a reason why very, very few teams have true downtown stadiums. Cleveland comes to mind, but not many others.
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It wouldn't matter if the city would pay, ross and co wouldn't need it if they played their cards right on the construction and the marketing.
     
  32. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

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    I sit in the upper deck and have done so at many other stadiums and I really don't see a big difference in distance from the field. By nature, the upper deck folks are those unwilling or unable to pay to be closer to the field. Incurring huge costs to move then 20-30 ft closer for roughly the same ticket price makes little sense. I realize this is consistent with what you are saying.
     
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yeah I have to take those things in mind...you don't think ross could find a piece of land in sawgrass or out west of downtown somewhere?
     
  34. djphinfan

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    there are some numbers out there ill try to find that state miamis top row is farther away then in any other stadium, that also was the case of our first row in the lower..but thats will change at least.
     
  35. Fineas

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    He could find some land somewhere, but the truth is that the stadium is currently in just about the right place -- near the Dade/Broward line right off the turnpike and very close to 95 and 826. They could have rebuilt right next to the current stadium and then tore down the existing structure when it is done, but I think to do it right would have been close to a $1 billion project and would have taken years. In the end the only ones who would really be better off are the upper deckers and I question how much better off they would really be. And even if they were, they are still only going to pay their $40-50 per seat, so there's not much return at all on that incremental investment.
     
  36. Stringer Bell

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    Ticket and merchandising revenue is sharing amongst the owners.

    I believe the only revenue that isn't shared are naming rights and luxury suites.
     
  37. MikeHoncho

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    Only because what is "downtown Cleveland"can only be described as "several tall buildings where one can peek over at Canada in a momentarily escape from the frozen dump that is Cleveland"
     
  38. MikeHoncho

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    I first laughed at this.

    The cried the bitter tears customary of my fandom.
     
  39. VManis

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    With Ross being in real estate, I can't believe they did not considered whether it was less expensive to just start from scratch. Land cost wouldn't be an issue as they could have first built the new stadium on the same site and then demolished the existing stadium. That's what they did with Giant's stadium/Metlife.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    where we disagree is the revenue streaming and capitol..I really don't care that it would cost a billion to make, cause this is how I look at it, of course it has to be built and promoted that this design is going to built to create a 12th man by design, better than seattle, so imo, the money to be made off that over the longterm and all its streams will relatively outgain a 450 mill dollar renovation..

    thats a long waiting list for season tickets.


    study done by time magazine.
     

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