Star Wars Episode VII

"texanphinatic wrote:

I respect the opinion, but to me it's extremely overwrought.

Sure, they could have done the "predictable" thing and made Snoke's background a huge thing, or made Rey the daughter of Luke/ObiWan/Leia/etc. Frankly, that would have been fine, but it was the lazy and boring choice, just as it was kind of lazy/boring (though fine!) of JJ to basically make TFA a rewrite of the original movie. Yeah, the iron thing was kinda kitschy, but I found it mildly amusing, it certainly didn't detract anything or pull me out of anything - it was just a screen reset device, no more or less harmful or harmless than JJs flares for instance. And I mean, kitschy silly **** like that is literally all over the SW movies. Think for instance of the squealing pig guard in Return of the Jedi getting sucked up by the rancor like a noodle.

If you didn't want a more existential look at the force and just a generic space hero story than I guess I can see the issues, though you have Rey to fulfill the heroes journey. The problem many seem to have is relinquishing the story from Leia/Luke (and Han to a lesser extent), but that's what it was always going to be. I thought it was an interesting and bold choice to make Luke an Obi Wan like hermit. As for social commentary, that has never been absent from the SW universe, from the questions about droids (segregation), slavery, etc. Not to mention the whole "authoritarian government/fascist dictatorships are terrible" that was the whole movie.

Rogue One was fun, but it was pure fan service more than a serious movie and had a lot of glaring issues.

Hey, different strokes I guess. I absolutely loved the take on things, was happy to see a bit of a mixup, especially after the paint by numbers TFA.

I have no problem with shows and movies subverting expectations. I just don't like them subverting expectations simply to subvert expectations.

This is a story that is a trilogy of trilogies, Rain Johnson wanting to play in the SW universe and craft his own story is perfectly fine and understandable, but doing it in the middle of a third set of trilogies is asinine, IMO. He subverted decades of story simply because he wanted to tell a different story.

He is making a new SW trilogy, which is what he should have been doing all along instead of changing this particular story.

"Fin D wrote:

I have no problem with shows and movies subverting expectations. I just don't like them subverting expectations simply to subvert expectations.

This is a story that is a trilogy of trilogies, Rain Johnson wanting to play in the SW universe and craft his own story is perfectly fine and understandable, but doing it in the middle of a third set of trilogies is asinine, IMO. He subverted decades of story simply because he wanted to tell a different story.

He is making a new SW trilogy, which is what he should have been doing all along instead of changing this particular story.

IMO, Rian Johnson was stuck in a huge corner by Mr. Mystery Box and did the best he could to make any of those "mysteries" make sense.

And, IMO, he did an excellent job with many of his choices.

"texanphinatic wrote:

I respect the opinion, but to me it's extremely overwrought.

Sure, they could have done the "predictable" thing and made Snoke's background a huge thing, or made Rey the daughter of Luke/ObiWan/Leia/etc. Frankly, that would have been fine, but it was the lazy and boring choice, just as it was kind of lazy/boring (though fine!) of JJ to basically make TFA a rewrite of the original movie. Yeah, the iron thing was kinda kitschy, but I found it mildly amusing, it certainly didn't detract anything or pull me out of anything - it was just a screen reset device, no more or less harmful or harmless than JJs flares for instance. And I mean, kitschy silly **** like that is literally all over the SW movies. Think for instance of the squealing pig guard in Return of the Jedi getting sucked up by the rancor like a noodle.

If you didn't want a more existential look at the force and just a generic space hero story than I guess I can see the issues, though you have Rey to fulfill the heroes journey. The problem many seem to have is relinquishing the story from Leia/Luke (and Han to a lesser extent), but that's what it was always going to be. I thought it was an interesting and bold choice to make Luke an Obi Wan like hermit. As for social commentary, that has never been absent from the SW universe, from the questions about droids (segregation), slavery, etc. Not to mention the whole "authoritarian government/fascist dictatorships are terrible" that was the whole movie.

Rogue One was fun, but it was pure fan service more than a serious movie and had a lot of glaring issues.

Hey, different strokes I guess. I absolutely loved the take on things, was happy to see a bit of a mixup, especially after the paint by numbers TFA.

Snoke's background being a huge deal would have just been a waste of movie. Like having Khan being the bad guy in Star Trek: Into Darkness. It would mean something to the audience, HOWEVER, it would have meant nothing to the characters in the movie. Everyone knew who he was. That was the best he could have done.

Rey being a nobody fit the narrative perfectly. If she was a Luke/Obi Wan/Leia, that would have ruined all of their characters as they abandoned her to be a slave. Which is a terrible decision. She was wanting to believe she was more, but learning she came from nothing and still decides to be a hero. That is awesome!

Making Luke a hermit is really the only thing he could have done. What else could he have done? Why else would Luke be sitting on the sidelines while everything he helped create die? He notices what we all have noticed because of the prequels. The Jedi's kind of suck. Then he learns that the legend of the Jedi is more important than the Jedi themselves.

I really enjoyed the Last Jedi. It had a ton of problems. Most of them pacing and screenplay. IMO, Rian Johnson did the best he could do, with the BS he was given by Mister "Write a bunch of things and hope someone else figures it out"

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

Snoke's background being a huge deal would have just been a waste of movie. Like having Khan being the bad guy in Star Trek: Into Darkness. It would mean something to the audience, HOWEVER, it would have meant nothing to the characters in the movie. Everyone knew who he was. That was the best he could have done.

Rey being a nobody fit the narrative perfectly. If she was a Luke/Obi Wan/Leia, that would have ruined all of their characters as they abandoned her to be a slave. Which is a terrible decision. She was wanting to believe she was more, but learning she came from nothing and still decides to be a hero. That is awesome!

Making Luke a hermit is really the only thing he could have done. What else could he have done? Why else would Luke be sitting on the sidelines while everything he helped create die? He notices what we all have noticed because of the prequels. The Jedi's kind of suck. Then he learns that the legend of the Jedi is more important than the Jedi themselves.

I really enjoyed the Last Jedi. It had a ton of problems. Most of them pacing and screenplay. IMO, Rian Johnson did the best he could do, with the BS he was given by Mister "Write a bunch of things and hope someone else figures it out"

This exactly. The whole Snoke thing just felt kind of like a red herring in TFA. Like, back in Ep IV we had no idea there was an emperor until like halfway through the first movie, we didn't see him until the second IIRC, we never found out (until the prequels) exactly who he was and how he came to be. Shit, we didn't really even learn who Vader was until Empire and the big reveal. You could tell things were getting a bit weird at that point too, like the plan didn't QUITE come together. Think Luke and Leia kissing in front of Han. Gross. Obi Wan and his "certain point of view".

I guess if people expected more fan service instead of what we got that may have been frustrating or confusing at first, but I definitely enjoyed it, and seeing it again multiple times with that knowledge has, for me, just increased my enjoyment.

I really hope JJ doesn't do anything dumb like "Lol Rey, you actually ARE Luke's kid, Kylo lied har har har."

Personally, I'm very much hoping that Kylo either lied or was just wrong, and Ray does have some connection to another known character.

"texanphinatic wrote:

This exactly. The whole Snoke thing just felt kind of like a red herring in TFA. Like, back in Ep IV we had no idea there was an emperor until like halfway through the first movie, we didn't see him until the second IIRC, we never found out (until the prequels) exactly who he was and how he came to be. ****, we didn't really even learn who Vader was until Empire and the big reveal. You could tell things were getting a bit weird at that point too, like the plan didn't QUITE come together. Think Luke and Leia kissing in front of Han. Gross. Obi Wan and his "certain point of view".

I guess if people expected more fan service instead of what we got that may have been frustrating or confusing at first, but I definitely enjoyed it, and seeing it again multiple times with that knowledge has, for me, just increased my enjoyment.

I really hope JJ doesn't do anything dumb like "Lol Rey, you actually ARE Luke's kid, Kylo lied har har har."

That is why I laugh when people say that the orig trig was a plan. It wasn't a huge plan. They winged it. They just made an amazing second movie.

Edit: The problem with Snoke was he was a mystery to the audience, however, to all of the characters in the story, he was known. No one wondered where he came from, who exactly he was, or anything. To have a big reveal about who Snoke is, would be stupid because everyone who would be there for this reveal would be like, "I know. Duh"

OR they would have to create a part of the movie just for him and his reveal, which would have added nothing to the narrative.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Personally, I'm very much hoping that Kylo either lied or was just wrong, and Ray does have some connection to another known character.

Who?

The only thing I can think of is if she is a secret child of Mara Jade. How do you not ruin those connected people?

https://i.redd.it/m1wigfuqeto21.jpg

This looks awesome.

I think that its going to be huge. All signs point to this being the end of the story for most of the characters involved.

I showed the poster to my 7 year old daughter and it blew her mind. She yelled: whoa the Knights of Ren!

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

https://i.redd.it/m1wigfuqeto21.jpg

This looks awesome.

I wonder why C3PO is holding Chewie's bowcaster and I wonder why is there a mighty morphing power ranger look alike in there?

"Fin D wrote:

I wonder why C3PO is holding Chewie's bowcaster and I wonder why is there a mighty morphing power ranger look alike in there?

He also has Rey’s staff.

I'm ready!

Also, Disney CEO Bob Iger says that this will be the last Star Wars movie for a while. How long that will be is unknown, although there are several in development, so likely only a couple of years.

https://geektyrant.com/news/alan-tudyk-will-reprise-his-role-as-the-droid-k-2s0-in-the-star-wars-rogue-one-prequel-series

Also, the wonderful Alan Tudyk will reprise his role as K-2SO in a Rogue One prequel series on Disney+. Between the Star Wars and Marvel stuff, there's going to be a lot to watch.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I'm ready!

Also, Disney CEO Bob Iger says that this will be the last Star Wars movie for a while. How long that will be is unknown, although there are several in development, so likely only a couple of years.

Fuck me can't wait.

The name of the film is interesting, and about the one thing that gives me pause - I really hope they don't retcon the whole thing to be "Lol yeah Rey is totally Luke's kid" or whatever. Heard some theories of "Skywalker" being titular, or basically the new "Jedi" which I find interesting considering the last film was The Last Jedi - Luke's passing ending the Jedi but beginning the Skywalkers, fitting.

The music of Star Wars man, that just puts one in the mood immediately, love it. Lando laughing at the helm of Falcon, yes please. Death Star debris, sign me up. The Emperor? WTF!?!?! I'm in. Rey and Kylo doing some weird fight/training on a desert planet? Yas! Give it to me!

My quick theory - somehow the Emperor survived RotJ, was responsible for the rise of the first order, Snoke and Kylo's betrayal. Rey stumbles upon/realizes this, presents to Ben who switches sides to put an end to Palpatine for good, forming the Skywalkers with Rey (with one of them dying). I could of course be entirely wrong, perhaps the Palpatine laugh was for dramatic effect more than an inkling of a role for him, but it still sounds good in my head for now.

"texanphinatic wrote:

**** me can't wait.

The name of the film is interesting, and about the one thing that gives me pause - I really hope they don't retcon the whole thing to be "Lol yeah Rey is totally Luke's kid" or whatever. Heard some theories of "Skywalker" being titular, or basically the new "Jedi" which I find interesting considering the last film was The Last Jedi - Luke's passing ending the Jedi but beginning the Skywalkers, fitting.

The music of Star Wars man, that just puts one in the mood immediately, love it. Lando laughing at the helm of Falcon, yes please. Death Star debris, sign me up. The Emperor? WTF!?!?! I'm in. Rey and Kylo doing some weird fight/training on a desert planet? Yas! Give it to me!

My quick theory - somehow the Emperor survived RotJ, was responsible for the rise of the first order, Snoke and Kylo's betrayal. Rey stumbles upon/realizes this, presents to Ben who switches sides to put an end to Palpatine for good, forming the Skywalkers with Rey (with one of them dying). I could of course be entirely wrong, perhaps the Palpatine laugh was for dramatic effect more than an inkling of a role for him, but it still sounds good in my head for now.

I think Rey and Kylo are totally going to bone

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I think Rey and Kylo are totally going to bone

#insertGOTcousinsjokehere

For real though, everything points heavily to them in a relationship. Even after the ending of TLJ where Kylo takes on Luke and tries to destroy the rebels. It's just the Star Wars thing to do, and I won't be disappointed if they do go that route. Then again, maybe they do defy expectations and he really is the big bad.

"texanphinatic wrote:

**** me can't wait.

The name of the film is interesting, and about the one thing that gives me pause - I really hope they don't retcon the whole thing to be "Lol yeah Rey is totally Luke's kid" or whatever. Heard some theories of "Skywalker" being titular, or basically the new "Jedi" which I find interesting considering the last film was The Last Jedi - Luke's passing ending the Jedi but beginning the Skywalkers, fitting.

The music of Star Wars man, that just puts one in the mood immediately, love it. Lando laughing at the helm of Falcon, yes please. Death Star debris, sign me up. The Emperor? WTF!?!?! I'm in. Rey and Kylo doing some weird fight/training on a desert planet? Yas! Give it to me!

My quick theory - somehow the Emperor survived RotJ, was responsible for the rise of the first order, Snoke and Kylo's betrayal. Rey stumbles upon/realizes this, presents to Ben who switches sides to put an end to Palpatine for good, forming the Skywalkers with Rey (with one of them dying). I could of course be entirely wrong, perhaps the Palpatine laugh was for dramatic effect more than an inkling of a role for him, but it still sounds good in my head for now.

I hope they undo everything from Last Jedi.

Rian Johnson just straight up pisses me off. I am all for people putting their own spin on a story, but he had utter contempt for entire story leading up to Last Jedi so he did everything he could to minimize everything 7 movies were building towards. The real heinous part is that the studio let him have his own trilogy, so that is where he should tell the non-skywalker story he wanted to tell.

Arrogant piece of crap hack, up there with Zach Synder.

Well, given that Johnson has said that he's ok with his movie being retconned by this one, I'd say they're likely going to fix a few things. I have a lot more faith in Abrams. Hopefully, the series ends with most people happy with how it turned out.

https://geektyrant.com/news/jj-abrams-met-with-george-lucas-before-developing-the-story-for-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker

Also, Abrams met with Lucas before working on Ep 9 and the two of them talked out how to finish the series. Hopefully, cooler and smarter heads prevailed, and everyone puts their own egos and agendas away to make what people will enjoy.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Well, given that Johnson has said that he's ok with his movie being retconned by this one, I'd say they're likely going to fix a few things. I have a lot more faith in Abrams. Hopefully, the series ends with most people happy with how it turned out.

Here's hoping.

Like I generally don't care if you change things that aren't integral to the essence of the story, like race or gender or changing time periods, etc. But the current Star Wars stuff is the story of the Skywalkers. If you don't like the Skywalker story, don't contribute to it. It is like Snyder with Batman. Batman doesn't kill. You don't get to change that just because you want grittier material. Go make a Punisher movie, or you know.....The Watchmen!!

Grrrrrrrrr...

<deep breath>

Ok, rant over. Back to your regularly scheduled thread.....

After Skywalker, the next Star Wars movie won't be in theatres for three years. Starting in 2021, Disney will alternate Avatar and Star Wars movies in mid december every year for a while.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/3-new-star-wars-film-will-star-arriving-in-2022-1834584244

• December 17, 2021 - Avatar 2

• December 16, 2022 - Untitled Star Wars

• December 22, 2023 - Avatar 3

• December 20, 2024 - Untitled Star Wars

• December 19, 2025 - Avatar 4

• December 18, 2026 - Untitled Star Wars

• December 17, 2027 - Avatar 5

https://geektyrant.com/news/the-first-star-wars-film-to-be-released-after-the-rise-of-skywalker-will-be-from-the-game-of-thrones-showrunners

We don’t know much about what Benioff and Weiss are planning for their Star Wars films, we just know that it will be set in a different time and corner of the universe and that it will involve all new settings and characters. There was a rumor that it would be set during the time of The Old Republic, and that it would take place “hundreds of years prior to the Skywalkers, so think almost Star Wars meets Lord of the Rings.”

None of those rumors have been confirmed. It’ll be interesting to see what the reaction to this news will be, especially since a lot of fans aren’t very happy with how they are handling the final season of Game of Thrones. The disappointment of the fans is plastered all over social media.

Well, whether its good or terrible, at least it won't have anything to do with the established canon.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

https://geektyrant.com/news/the-first-star-wars-film-to-be-released-after-the-rise-of-skywalker-will-be-from-the-game-of-thrones-showrunners

Well, whether its good or terrible, at least it won't have anything to do with the established canon.

setting it during the Old Republic would be great and hopefully create a new cinematic chapter they can keep building on. Plus, I wouldn't mind the possibility of Darth Malak or Revan if they ever went down that path. Throw in a little Korriban.

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

setting it during the Old Republic would be great and hopefully create a new cinematic chapter they can keep building on. Plus, I wouldn't mind the possibility of Darth Malak or Revan if they ever went down that path. Throw in a little Korriban.

It looks like those specific Star Wars movies won't be. However, there's news this morning that they're developing at least one other movie that is in fact set during the Old Republic.

https://geektyrant.com/news/lucasfilm-is-reportedly-considering-a-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-trilogy-and-a-script-is-being-written

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

setting it during the Old Republic would be great and hopefully create a new cinematic chapter they can keep building on. Plus, I wouldn't mind the possibility of Darth Malak or Revan if they ever went down that path. Throw in a little Korriban.

I want to see a Hulu Darth Bane mini series.