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  1. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    A guy who would barely speak to him, the time to sit helped for sure. But Aaron isn't Aaron because he had to wait.
     
  2. Fin D

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    The bold contradicts the underline.

    If sitting helped him, then waiting absolutely played a part in Aaron being Aaron. Had he not sat and waited he may be a different QB today or at the very it may have taken longer for him to become what he is.
     
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  3. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    A beard is a when you're gay but you have a girlfriend/wife to cover up that you're gay.

    Hard to top a runway model for one. GOAT beard... lol
     
  4. Fin-Omenal

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    Yes it does. I'll be more specific, Aaron's incredible ability is something that can't be taught. Now as far as being ready to perform at a high level out of the gate? Absolutely that practice time and mental reps helped.

    If you've watched him his career you see an abundance of ability that simply can not be taught. Tanny has been thrown into the fire and nobody should expect him to be a top 3 QB likely at any point in his career. Just want to see some significant growth, no excuses this year.
     
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  5. Fin D

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    That's all well and good, but there hasn't been "excuses" for Tannehill up to this point. There have been "reasons".
     
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  6. Fin-Omenal

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    Debatable. He needs to improve in multiple areas.

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  7. Fin D

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    - Terrible WR corp his first year is not an excuse or debatable.
    - Terrible oline last year is not an excuse or debatable.
    - Terrible OC both years is not an excuse or debatable.
    - Having less experience then most other QBs is not an excuse or debatable.
     
  8. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Sometimes you gotta compare apples to apples... In 2009, Rodgers had spent 3 yrs on the bench, plus two years as a starter when he had the season with all the sacks.... He also started 2 yrs in JUCO and 2 yrs at Cal. Tanny had 19 starts as a QB in college and that was his second year as a starter. You also have to compare the differences in the teams...Rodgers was on a SB winning and SB contending team in those two years as the GB starter...I don't think we can say the same about the cast surrounding Tanny these last two years....

    I'm sorry, I don't see the comparison...good or bad with Rodgers and Tanny at this point....
     
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  9. Fin-Omenal

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    Russel Wilson played one season of cfb, had a worse OL and his best WR was A young Golden Tate.

    Ofcourse it's debatable. But, for the most part I agree with what you are saying.

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  10. Fin-Omenal

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    I get that, hence the first line of the thread. I was simply proving that having a bad OL doesn't answer the questions on if Ryan IS our guy.

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  11. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    wilson played more than 1 year of cfb. dont forget he was a starter at nc state before wisconsin.
     
  12. VManis

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    Wilson played one year for Wisconsin but played three years for NC State before that.
     
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  13. Fin D

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    Which was even one more year worth of starting.

    In college, Wilson played almost 2x as many games as Tannehill at QB.
    Wilson had 50 games to Tannehill's 26. As i said, not debatable.

    On no planet, does Seattle's WRs rate lower than a WR corp of Hartline, Bess, Legedoodoo. Not debatable.
    If Seattle's line was worse, then its by a thin margin. We certainly had the worst OC, that's not debatable.

    Tannehill is and has been busting his ***. He's made significant progress from year 1 to year 2. there's no reason to think he won't continue improving the areas he has control over.
    There's simply no need for these type of "**** or get off the pot" type rants in regards to him.
     
  14. Fin-Omenal

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    It wasn't a rant it was proving a point that about offense of line it's not the end of the world. It's also going to be your 3 so I don't want to hear any bs about offensive lines wide receivers that are too fast and you off coordinator... I just want to see results instead of assuming he would be a good quarterback here in a better situation

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  15. Fin D

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    He's already a good QB. There's not a team that needs a QB that wouldn't take him. The simple fact of the matter is that none of the QBs that have been mentioned (Rodgers, Wilson) have been handicapped with problems beyond their control like Tannehill...but you're still trying to compare them as if they are equals. Yeah, Wilson had a bad oline, but when he has a bad oline, no running game, 100 more attempts, little experience AND a bad OC then we'll talk.
     
  16. Fin-Omenal

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    No. We can talk after 2014 this is the year we know. Agree??

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  17. Fin D

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    Sure. But the things I mentioned weren't excuses...they were reasons.
     
  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Its all debatable, im not a millionare...I have alot of reasons that some may consider excuses.

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  19. 77FinFan

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    Thank you.
     
  20. Fin-Omenal

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    Who knew all the Ryan Tannehill lovers would take this ball and run with it

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  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    We all know that Tannehill haters would take this ball and try to make something out of it.
     
  22. 77FinFan

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    Wasn't it 19 games? Six his Jr year, full season Sr year.
     
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  23. Fin-Omenal

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    Yes. I hate a QB that has the potential to make my favorite team in the world better. Solid assuming.

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  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Obviously making fun of you using the term, "Tannehill lovers." Solid reading comprehension.
     
  25. Fin-Omenal

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    I used the term "Tannehill LOVERS"

    Try again.

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  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Just shows how dumb that term is.
     
  27. Fin D

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    Yup. I screwed up. Thank you.
     
  28. Superself

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    The original post is BS. You knew what you were doing when you posted this garbage. Comparing Aaron to Ryan??
    Then you fall back on the argument that everything is debatable.....you came here looking for an argument and the thread delivered. Golf Clap. smh
     
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  29. Fin-Omenal

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    My "argument" is and has been that there are no excuses in 2014... And despite the disclaimers you guys still had to cry about it. Winners

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    Because, if two years of starting later fans are still saying, "Look at how few his starts in college were" then you started the guy too damn soon. I'm not saying the Dolphins shouldn't have started Tannehill, I'm saying he is not a project. A project you keep on the sideline and groom. Devlin is a project. Not Tannehill. You don't hand the keys to the franchise to a project. It's effing idiotic. Billion dollar franchise. Here, let's hand it over to a project for 2-3 years.

    That's just dumb. Tannehill isn't a project. He's taken in the top 10 and started right away.
     
  31. Fin D

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    Again, you're just slapping words together as if there is a meaning there when there is not.

    The plan could have been to sit Tannehill. That's why they brought in Garrard. Its not like he was just named the starter from Day 1. The plan changed when Garrard got hurt and Tanny showed to be just as good as the remaining QBs.

    Your blathering about "keys to the franchise" silliness happens all the time actually. You act as if every year there's Luck's & Wilson's who were 100% starter ready as rookies. No. Most rookie QBs in the history of the NFL, even taken int he first are "projects" and many of them have been "given keys to the billion dollar franchise".
     
  32. jdang307

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    You also had a veteran that just won a bunch of games and tossed 16-9 the year before. If Tannehill is a project then you work on him. You use words such as "could have" but it was an open competition from the beginning. Garrard/Tanny/Moore. Garrard had a leg up BEFORE any games were played. The coach and GM didn't come out and say, "Tannehill is a project and is not in the QB competition." He was a possible starter from the very beginning.

    Again, you take a strong but silly position as always, backed up by nothing but your conviction. Barely a month after drafting him, Philbin said the plan was for a QB competition between those 3, not for Tanny to sit. You can go with what Philbin actually said, or a "plan could have" that originated in your head.

    Name the last top 10 drafted QBs not to start right away. You have to go back almost ten years to QBs that have future HOF's in front of them. It's just funny to hear someone take such an emotional stance to support taking a project in the top 10. A project is someone not NFL starter ready. That's why they're a project. So did we start someone who was not NFL ready, in the NFL? Say it out loud in front of a mirror and see how stupid it sounds.
     
  33. Fin D

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    Tell me again why there was even a competition if Tannehill was drafted to start immediately?

    If you draft a guy that high with a plan to make him starter immediately, you don't have an open competition.

    You want "evidence" (as if you relayed any)? Fine, lets...

    - Tannehill was not a four year starter. Who was the guy reluctant to start him in college? Oh yeah.....
    - He was not automatically inserted as starter.
    - There was "competition" and he wasn't the starter.
    - He won the job through injury.
    - Our staff has shown a reluctance to start rookies.

    Your evidence:
    - um
    - uh
    - gee
    - sigh
    - well

    You can draft guy, thinking he might not be ready to start right away, and then through circumstances (like injury I know, I know those NEVER happen) that guy is put into a starter position before you'd want him to be.

    But yeah, I'm the one saying things that sound stupid. Ok JD.....
     
  34. Larryfinfan

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    Yeah, not just a bad OL, but poor receivers (one year), new coaching staff, etc...Rodgers was used in a way that QBs used to be used in the olden days (yeah, I remember them well), where you'd have a QB sit for 3-4 yrs behind your current starter and then move him up as he developed....things certainly have changed over time in that regard, there is no 'waiting period' for any kind of success, however, the fact remains that comparing Rodgers tract to Tanny's tract simply isn't valid. One main reason, as I mentioned before, he had a 'SB ready' team when he took over the Packers...Tanny certainly hasn't had that luxury at all. It's all moot as only a bit more time will tell to what degree that Tanny can develop to. As you said, this is his time...except they still only have 3 starters on the OL, a weakened D, etc...
     
  35. Fin-Omenal

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    The only reason for the comparison was to show it's possible to overcome bad OLs...facts are Ryan will likely never be the QB Rodgers is, we can't expect that level of play. We just need to see some strides this year is all.
     
  36. CaribPhin

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    It's possible to not die from a 1,000 foot drop. Adding context, if you have a parachute you can survive.

    It's possible to overcome a bad offensive line. Adding context, it's easy if you're a future hall of famer, have great receivers, have a great defense, or don't throw 588 times per game. We had one of the worst lines in the league, then proceeded to maximize the opportunities they had to lose a game.

    Wilson threw almost 200 fewer passes last season. In his best season, Rodgers threw almost 100 fewer passes. In fact, he has never thrown 588 passes or more. Tannehill would have conceivably hit 600 without injury in that late season game.

    This comparison is illogical. If your comparison relies on a caveat of hall of fame status or 200 less passes, it can't be an effective comparison.

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    You're missing the point. And Aaron missed nearly half the season. Those Wrs arent "great" they are good and ARod makes them better. How many seasons has GB had this great defense? One MAYBE two? How many games has Rodgers played with a good RB??

    Again comparisons to Rodgers as a QB are ridiculous. It will never happen.

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  38. CaribPhin

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    I didn't say anything about 2014. Not one year in the NFL has he thrown 588 passes. His best year being 2012.

    So you're taking great to mean all time great just to win an argument? Those years in referring to with Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Driver, and Finley were really damn good.

    I was very clearly referring to the Seahawks.

    That is literally what you've been doing this whole thread.

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    If you guys can't learn to read, then why post on a message board. I'm not going to point out the reason this was posted AGAIN. Nor am I going to pretend James Jones is a "great" WR.

    Tanny in 2014....nuff said.
     
  40. Im hopefully tanny shows something special this season. So far he has not. You can point to a poor surrounding cast and that's fair but until he proves he is special he is not. The only thing he has proved so far that he is good enough to be a game manager. He has not lived up to his draft position yet and he is running out of time.

    Where he is failed so far is that he has not shown thathe can make the players around him look better than they are.
     

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