Good afternoon guys and gals, I will not try to gloom and doom,nor paint a rosy picture with these numbers, but to put these data points in perspective. As to whom's perspective? Well that depends how one see's it... So here we go... In 2009, the Phins had CP anointed starter and in that first Pre-Season game, after an 11-5 Season, they faced the Jags... Combined QB stats was 13 comp, 25 att, 139 yds (5.6 YPA), 1 TD, 2 INTs, and a QBR of 49... CP was 4 comp, 7 att, 38 yds (5.4 ypa), 0 TD, 0 INT= 72 QBR... CH was 7 comp, 11 att, 94 yds (8.5 YPA), 1 TD, 1 INT= 83 QBR... Rushing Stats= 37 for 118 yds (3.2 YPC)... MIA Defensive stats= 67 tot takls, 1 sck... Jax combined QB stats was 21 comp, 37 att, 216 yds (5.8 ypa), 2 INTs and a QBR of 51... Rushing Stats= 21 for 66 yds (3.1 ypc)... ---------------------------------------------- Now we are in 2010's first Pre-Season game against Tampa, with Henne as the forecasted starter do to CP's last shoulder surgery... Combined QB stats was 15 comp, 30 att, 156 yds (5.2 ypa), and a QBR of 65... Henne was 5 comp, 11 att, 19 yds (1.7 ypa), and a QBR of 53... Thiggy was 10 comp, 19 att, 145 yds (7.6 ypa) and a QBR of 78... MIA Rushing Stats= 21 for 50 yds (2.4 ypc)... MIA Defensive Stats= 66 total tckls,2 scks, 10 tfl, 5 pd, 3 qbh... Tampa's combined QB stats was 18 comp, 29 att, 170 yds (5.9 ypa), 1 TD, 1 INT, and a QBR of 75... Rushing stat= 33 for 139 yds (4.2 ypc)... -------------------------------------------- and currently (2011), last Fridays Pre-Season game against Atlanta... Combined QB stats was 15 comp, 28 att, 198 yds (7.1 ypa), 3 TDs, 3 INT's and a 72 QBR... Henne was 4 comp, 8 att, 77 yds (9.6 ypa), 1 TD, 2 INTs, and a QBR of 84... Moore was 11 comp, 18 att, 123 yds (6.8 ypa), 2 Tds, 1 INT, and a QBR of 95... Rushing Stats= 27 for 63 yds (2.3 ypc)... MIA Defensive Stats= 63 tot tckl, 5 scks, 5 tfl, 6 pd, 5 qbh... Atlanta had a combined QB Stats of 24 comp, 43 att. 230 yds (5.3 ypa), 1 TD, 2 INTs and a QBR of 59... Rushing Stat= 26 for 104 (4.0 ypc), 1 TD... OK folks... that is the history of the first pre Season games over the last 3 years...
Heh, how did the offense look in the 2010 preseason? In 09 we all were hyped for gm #3 vs the Bucs iirc and the offense fell flat on it's butt, in 08 we had a successful preseason and it worked out fairly well that yr. Do you happen to recall "why" Jake Long was playing in preseason gm #4 last yr?
How CRAZY is the QB rating system? Henne...4 of 8, 77 yards, 1 TD, 2 int = 83.85 QB rating Moore...11 of 18, 123 yards, 2 TD, 1 int = 95.37 QB rating When adding the two together... 15 or 26, 200 yards, 3 TD, 3 int = 81.09 QB rating Hmm...logic would be the QB rating would fall somewhere in between 83.85 and 95.37 when adding their stats together. Throw in Delvin's 0 for 2 and the QB rating drops all the way down to 72.62...CRAZY!
Pads you might need to add the Defense to this year's scenario... How many plays they made against Atlanta's starters and backups... 5 sacks, 5 tackles for loss, 6 passes defended, and 5 qb hits... Looking at these numbers in comparison to other years, it was a better passing defensive game IMO...
Well it seemed like the Defense in the 09 preseason was great, but fell flat in the regular season? And AdamC, that is one of the reasons why I'm contemptuous of QBR as a measure of anything, Completion percentage TD/Int ratio 3rd down conversion efficiency running for first downs That is how I look at whether or not a Qb is doing a good job.
Pads we have improved in certain areas of the defense by subtraction, and added what seemed to be more talent in those areas...
I expect the D will do fine, my theory is the offensive tone is set in the preseason under Sparano. We got Matt Moore hitting guys 30 yds down field, I'm kind of psyched about the O, hearing Daboll is really aggressive, we added more playmaker types on ST and on D, and on O, I like the direction we are heading.
That is crazy. Moore stats standing alone have a better rating, but when combined with Henne's weaker stat line, the total becomes yet again weaker. I had to test it for myself, so know you are exactly correct. But I found if you just double all Henne's numbers, his QBR stays the same, then double it again, to 16 of 32 for 308, 4 TDs and 8 ints, it stays the same. It appears to me that yards per attempt raise the rating as much as anything, along with TDs and a poor completion pct and high number of ints then won't hurt it too much.
