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Stephen Ross: Right Now we all have to be optimistic

Discussion in 'SoapBox - Rants forum' started by Vinny Fins, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    WHY?
    Are we excited about going 6-10 and finishing 3rd in the AFCE?

    Are we excited about you stringing Soprano along and not firing him while trying to hire someone else IN ONE OF THE MOST EMBARRASSING SPECTACLES THIS FRANCHISE HAS EVER SEEN?

    Are we optimistic that Brian Daboll, who led an offense TO LEASE POINTS THAN DAN FREAKING HENNING is going to catch lightning in a bottle?

    Are we excited that We have spent the last decade defining perpetual mediocrity?

    What prey tell are we excited and or optimistic about?

    Every team in our division is loading up. And we're STAYING THE 7-9 course.

    How refreshing.
     
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  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Rant much?
     
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  3. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    What are you doing here then? You should just give up being a fan if you have no optimism.

    Do you want him to say we are hopeless?

    Or is this just another reason to criticize an owner because you have nothing better else to add or say?
     
  4. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    That's what I do. Yessir.

    <--- Firecracker
     
  5. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't hold out much hope for the season, but what is the guy supposed to say?

    "Hey fans, we suck, but come spend your money on us anyway"

    Come on. He's got no choice after the debacle of his own making in January other than to let this thing play out for the season and then actually make a decision and stick by it, whatever it is.
     
  6. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    So call Jim Rome and scream like a mumbling fool.. What type of reaction do you expect here????

    :shifty:
     
  7. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    A good part of that debacle was PR rated, if we landed the big catch we would all be praising Ross.. Of course twitter, forums and relentless media turned it in to a circus.
     
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  8. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Are you ****ing kidding me?

    He's a terrible owner. He could give a **** LESS about winning games. He wants NAMES to win the backpage. Be they shiny former pro bowlers or minority owners. He KILLS our homefield advantage for what? To have more 'Orange Carpet' parties?

    Its a message board. And my message is: As an Owner, Stephen Ross SUCKS.

    Win a ****ing playoff game. That's the bar. It ain't terribly high. WIN ONE GODDAMN PLAYOFF GAME, then you can tell me how he's the next steinbrenner.
     
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  9. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Why shouldn't we be optimistic? Ireland and Sparano's master plan is a stroke of genius. :pointlol:
     
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  10. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    What are you talking about? Who the hell PUBLICLY courts a coach before firing the incumbent?

    It's classless and made us look bush league to everyone around the league with half a brain.
     
  11. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    You make no sense. He went out and got a premier WR. He HAS brought energy to the stadium with some of his moves. Wayne didn't win jack his last 15 years with the team and supposedly made all the right moves by bringing in JJ, Saban, Parcells and approving the Ricky trade.

    Blame the front office or the players, but to blame the owner with an open pocketbook for not winning a playoff game is not only ludicrous but also stupid.
     
  12. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    The fact that Dan Henning is no longer here gives me a reason to be optimistic.
     
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  13. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    I'm a Team Sunshine Cowboys Guy. I've been backing them through and through.
    But it's become clear Ross has NO CONFIDENCE in them, and is meddling in football opps.

    When an owner who has no idea what he's doing starts effecting football decisions, it never ends well.

    He thinks he's ****ing Jerry Jones.
     
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  14. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Wow, there's literally no real substance to that post at all. Ross took over one of the worst teams in the league. While we're still not very good, we are still better each year, IMO. I have seen absolutely nothing, outside of losing the 1pm home games, that indicates that he doesn't badly want to win.
     
  15. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    He got a WR who beat his wife then got stabbed for it. Guess that bumps up the intrigue factor.

    A owner who wants to win gives the blank checkbook to his GM and gets out of the way. He doesnt conduct a high profile coach wooing in public before CANNING THE GUY On the job.

    Embarrassing.
     
  16. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Nobody cares anymore. What's done is done.

    Teams release franchise stars everyday and dump them like garbage. The NFL is a business, not etiquette class. Sh*t happens. You can spend the rest of your life crying about this or get over.. I suggest you get over it and try to enjoy the season.
     
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  17. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ross's entire press conference was a mish mash of platitudes and nonsense.

    The only thin interesting that sticks out is that he profusely praised Ireland for being hard working, not panicking, extremely intelligent, etc., yet here he is on tony:

    "Tony's a nice guy. The players like him. He's got to win this year"

    Ireland is clearly on safe ground than Tony and I think that's why you will not see a move for a QB, even Orton, unless he's released or comes real cheap. Ireland is saving thos high picks for himself, and the next head coach whom he might have a hand in choosing.

    Ireland is acting like a guy who is going to have another chance to find a franchise QB, and Sparano is going to be the guy that suffers for it.
     
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  18. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Name another NFL team in recent memory that did that with a head coach. Please. Respectable franchises don't do that. It's why we didn't land Harbaugh and Cowher wouldnt even acknowledge us. Coaches are a fraternity, and you need to do things the right way by them. It's not hard to grasp.

    And on the improvement, Ohio: Going 7-9 again and losing to the ****ing Browns and Bills? Hardly an improvement.
     
  19. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Wrong. The news media and twitter universe made it impossible to negotiate or even explore different coaching options.

    Ross got burned by it and will hopefully learn something new from it. All your crocodile tears over how Sparano was treated mean nothing to me as he is still cashing in on a multimillion dollar contract and is still employed.
     
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  20. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Huh?

    First... 6-10? Why are we going to be worse this year than last year... when we have a ton of young players who are only getting better and have had zero significant losses?

    2nd... what are you talking about how we are "staying the course"? Do you not see us trying to be aggressive out there? Trading for Bush, trying to trade for Orton, etc. What about our actions say that we are trying to "stay the course"? Our actions represent the exact opposite?
     
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  21. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    I love the adamant defense of Ross like he's done ANYTHING for this franchise. It's amusing.

    I guess you were out in the sun too long waiting for the Heat parade to swing by. :)
     
  22. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Draft Linemen. Sign ExCowboys. Add Celebrity Part Owner. Call it an offseason.

    This SHOULD be where the Free Agents want to come. And right now, we're just 'the other team' they use as leverage. That's sad.
     
  23. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    I like how you clearly don't know how a business works.
     
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  24. Coral Reefer

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    While I appreciate your fire and vinegar for the team I honestly do not see much if any proof supporting throwing Ross under the bus at this point. Actually none at all IMO. I'm one that didn't support the naysayers of Wayne H. either though who did nothing but open his checkbook in support of building a winner but never got there.

    Where do you get that he does not care about winning games?
    What exactly tells you that?

    Because he's smart enough to be doing things outside of the game to build PR and attention to the team in the community with the "Orange Carpet" idea?
    Famous "minority owners" is basically another PR move meant to bring attention to the Dolphins and take advantage of the uniqueness of the S. FL. community that just happens to be full of celebrities. These are the types of things an owner does handle while allowing his football people who know the game to make football decisions.

    As far as Ross "killing our home field advantage".
    That one is really off.
    Our home field advantage was significantly weakend the minute we moved into Joe Robbie Stadium from the OB and has been killed by our teams lack of success.

    Honestly, IMO, Ross is the LEAST of our problems.
     
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  25. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Name me another "elite" franchise that has been as mediocre and horrific as the Phins have since the mid-90's.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. However, this attempt to bring in the superstar head coach has been tested and has failed this franchise. I'm glad we didn't land Harbaugh and your assumption that we didn't land Cowher is irrelevant as he didn't land anywhere, thus you can assume he wasn't on the market looking for a job.

    Life isn't fair. It wasn't fair to Sparano, but he is back and has a chance to redeem himself. I personally love Sparano (save for the fist pump FG love) and don't feel as if Ross did anything wrong. Business owners constantly look to improve and if he could have pulled off these conversations with Harbaugh without it becoming a media circus, then the entire episode would have simply been an owner doing his due diligence to recruit a potential upgrade, before eliminating your current coach.
     
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  26. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    I don't believe we're moving in the right direction. I'm not going to resort to the potshots lobbed my way in this thread, but questioning my fandom to this team is misguided. This isnt the 1980s. It doesnt take a Stalinesque five year plan to improve in the NFL, team do it in 2 years now, by drafting shrewdly and adding complimentary components. We're stuck in neutral. 7-9. 7-9. What's a realistic expectation for this year? Whats our path to the playoffs?

    Where are we better than last years mediocre team?
     
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  27. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    If we can get consistent play out of our QB position we could be better. Heck we got decent QB play in 2008 and shocked the world.

    I don't know if Henne is the long term answer, or if a veteran like Orton can take control of this offense and LEAD the team, but if our QB's are consistent, limit turnovers and make the occasional big play, this team can and will compete for a playoff spot.

    Remember, we were 5-4 when Sparano pulled Henne in favor of Pennington... It wasn't because Henne was atrocious, it was because we needed a leader on and off the field and someone that can read a D and exploit it.. We all know how the 2nd half of Henne's season went, the 4th quarter INT's, the poor decisions, the looking all world one series to making a stupid throw the next..

    Fix those problems either with Henne or a 2nd option and this team has the pieces to make a playoff run.
     
  28. brandon27

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    Strange... its ok to court a new starting QB while you have Henne around still. Or, for that matter, any other players we've explored via trades or free agency... Here's the message that I think you're missing... in the NFL, this kind of stuff happens all the time. It is what it is. It's part of the business. It probably even happens at your very own job, its just not a matter of public knowledge.

    I dont fault Ross for doing what he did in January. It's clear we need a change a head coach IMO. Where I do fault him is not sticking with his original plan to fire Tony in the first place. If you were willing to replace him, then replace him. Don't try and fool everyone into thinking Harbaugh was first on your list, but Sparano was a very close second, and if you couldn't have Harbaugh, you wanted Tony. Nobody believes that, and all it's done is set the franchise back another year really. Nobody really WANTS to come to Miami right now I think. Everyone knows that if this is another sub par season, we're probably in for wholesale changes. Although, i feel Ross would keep Ireland, and wipe out the coaching staff completely.

    Continue on your rant now, but... I do think you're off base a bit here. There's really nothing else for Ross to say at this point.
     
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  29. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    That's a lot of 'ifs' and no tangible improvement. We need a capable veteran, if only in a back up capacity to help and motivate Henne.

    And our Running game may actually be the wost in the league this year. Bush is a 10 carry a game back, and some unheralded rook from KState is all we have separating Lex Hilliard from being the feature back. That's TERRIFYING.
     
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  30. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Watching Ronnie Brown stand around and wait for a whole to open up is terrifying to me.. We shook it up and have a bright, young rookie in the mix, in addition to a player that can take it to the house on any given play, through the air as well.

    The running game was a crutch last year, it couldn't get any worse....

    And there are "if's". FA has just begun after the lockout. Things can happen in these next few days.. Or they may not. Either way, don't assume our offseason acquisitions are done.
     
  31. Alex13

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    didnt know that marc anthony is playing QB for this team, to mention the part owner is totally nonsense, which ex cowboy did we sign this year so far ? maybe you are still settled in on last season.....breaking news its done its a new season
     
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  32. Coral Reefer

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    Completely agree with you here on these points.
    We are however back to responsibilities of the football mgmt. side, specifically the GM Ireland not Ross.

    We need to resign Ronnie B. or R. Williams at minimum and bring in another QB.
    FA period hasn't even opened yet though so lets have at least a little patience.
     
  33. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    I was referring to the improvement in talent. going 7-9 had to do with coaching. Yes, Ross lost out on getting Harbaugh. It happens when you are a mediocre franchise, people use you as leverage. People still think this is a shiny great franchise, hate to tell you folks, we were a laughing stock LONG before Ross took over this franchise.

    and don't give me that "coaches are a fraternity" crap. there are only 32 head coaching positions in the world, and plenty of people willing to fill it. Our franchise simply didn't have enough to offer relative to San Fran for Harbaugh's services. If Ross wins that bidding war, your whole argument is blown out of the water, not that it has much to stand on now anyway.
     
  34. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    You're countering your own arguments.

    Why the hell would they want to come here if we have sucked as a franchise for 20 years?
    Only two possibilities IMO: 1) $$$$ - just outbidding everyone else and (2) hoping a player wants to come to Miami because he has a home here

    You're mad because you think our elite franchise isn't doing it the "right way". We are not an elite franchise.
     
  35. Bpk

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    Ireland looked like a damned traitor to Sparano in that whole thing too, don;t forget. What new head coach wants to come work for a GM who backstabs a 'friend' of years? They went back to Dallas together. Jeff "Is Your Mother a Whore." Ireland has not created a good image for himself, imo. He seems like a cold-hearted dick who probably scouts well and drives a hard bargain, but lacks the interpersonal intelligence to be pleasant to work with, or for.
     
  36. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Exactly this.
     
  37. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Well, Matt Moore is here! Are we Excited yet?
     
  38. brandon27

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    Well, I think that can be learned. I've worked with people in the past that are very rough around the edges so to speak when it comes to dealing with other people. You can change that with a bit of training/education or whatever you want to call it. Of course, that's if you're willing. :lol:
     
  39. Dr. Mookie

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  40. Abbi Normal

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    Fins are looking at Bradshaw
    Fins are looking at Orton
    Fins are looking at Edwards
    Fins are looking at Miller
    Fins are at the Free Agency Mall and stuck at the Ross discount dept......

    GM is a great window shopper while other teams are actually making purchases....not that we need any........

    By the time we figure out whats going on it's all over. Damn better to just count my blessing that they actually signed Dansby last year and will have 5 years to watch his career be wasted as this team tries to figure out it's azz from a hole in the ground.......

    But still time to do something and surprise the heck out of me, just no longer holding my breath and not able to drink any more of the coolaid some in here are on.
     
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