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Taking a Closer Look at 2nd & 8 versus Buffalo

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Re: Taking a Closer Look at 2nd & 8 versus Buffalo

    How in the hell is he supposed to feel that pressure. Its a five step drop..look where Williams is by the time Tannehill gets into his 5th step..

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  2. Finrunner

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    I just don't think there was that kind of time. Looking at that .gif over and over, by the time he hits the third step of his drop, Williams is there. Tannehill would have had to give up on the play mid-drop, and no quarterback is that aware. Williams is keeping up with Tannehill's drop and closing the gap on him in the one second after the ball is snapped; Clabo hardly even seems a factor. He hits that last step of his drop and is cocking his arm back to throw. At that point if you sense the pressure, you tuck and fall. But as he's cocking his arm, before his mind could even react to say, "Oh crap, they're already here!", Williams is swinging his arm like a club. Our line and running back got absolutely blown up in less than a second and a half. If it was like that every play, we'd rarely complete a pass. On that play, if I'm going to fault Tannehill, I'm going to fault him for not going against the call and the defense presented to just hand the ball off because it's the percentage thing to do to win the football game. But that's way more of a coaching decision. Given the reads, Tannehill did the right thing but was a victim of circumstance. Yeah, he loses waaaaaay too many fumbles, and most of them are fumbles he can easily avoid with some ball security sense about himself. I'm just not so sure on this one.

    On that play, the Bills were better than the Dolphins at every level... coaching, executing, field smarts, everything. And it cost us the game - hopefully not the season (by which I mean playoffs).
     
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  3. 77FinFan

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    Sorry, but this is just inaccurate. He is on pace for 1k yards, about 80 receptions and 5 TD's. I will take that all day.
     
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  4. mlb1399

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    That's just horrible pass protection. RTH certainly needs to clean things up but not many QB's can expect to succeed in that situation.

    Speaking of Philbin getting more involved, he was a great OL coach at Iowa. Iowa also runs a zone block system and he helped develop an OL that had a top 5 pick, a 2nd round pick, a 3 round pick and 6 OL that got drafted.
     
  5. Kucha

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    Great write up. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  6. Stitches

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    2nded. I was going to say he's on pace for arguably a better season this year.
     
  7. The G Man

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    I agree with this. Tannehill absolutely needs to improve on his pocket presence. Granted his O-line not giving him much time. But, he's not going to have a five second clean pocket every time he steps back to throw.
     
  8. Stitches

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    So we're skipping 4 seconds? :shifty:
     
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  9. Stringer Bell

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    Imagine if he was getting as many targets as Mike Wallace.
     
  10. Ludacris

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    What Hartline says about the play is completely different to what Omar said happened:
    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...1_kevin-coyle-dolphins-coaches-ryan-tannehill

    Essentially it was a pass play called with an option to convert to a run if there were 2 high safeties. Since the Bills had 8 in the box, Tannehill ran the pass play as called. Omar said it was a run play checked to a pass. I think Omar was incorrect. I don't think Tannehill changed anything.
     
  11. Anonymous

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    He only has 5 less targets.
     
  12. cuchulainn

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    Tannehill stated himself that Sherman initially had a run called, but that he audibled to a pass as he has been coached to do so when the defense posed an 8 man front. If the pass blocking had been executed correctly, it would have been fine. As it was, you had Thomas being tossed at Tannehill from the left and Williams blowing up Clabo and getting the strip from the right.
     
  13. Stringer Bell

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    Would have him jump 8 spots in total receiving yards. Could be the difference between a loss and a win in a couple of these losses.
     
  14. Anonymous

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    Maybe. Just wanted to point out the difference wasn't much.
     
  15. Bpk

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    Except I cannot see Joe ever firing Sherman. They go back too damned far. Heck, I think Sherman taught Philbin English Lit in high school. No joke.
     
  16. Bpk

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    So get used to Sherm.


    Unless we win so much he gets a HC offer, or we lose so much they all get fired.
     
  17. jdang307

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    KFFL has Wallace at 51 targets, Hartline at 47.
     
  18. feldspar

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    See the illustration below...You would think that THIS play would be fresh in Tannehill's mind, since it had JUST HAPPENED on the Dolphins last possession. It was also on 2nd and 8 and was the main reason the Dolphins promising drive in Bills territory had stalled.

    [​IMG]

    The same exact thing basically happened (only worse) THREE offensive plays later, only this time it was the strip-sack.
     
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  19. Fin-Omenal

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    There was absolutely no problem calling a run on 1st down, then a pass on 2nd down with the same look.

    The execution on the other hand was what ultimately GAVE the Bills a win.
     
  20. jdang307

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    The funny thing is, even with Jake Long in his prime or Joe Thomas he'd still be getting killed.
     
  21. Bpk

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    You're only saying that because of its truthfulness.
     
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  22. djphinfan

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    On the 2nd and 8 play, clay was wide open on the quick slant, I'm not sure Tannehill had enough time to hit him, but I think there are some other qbs that can feel that whipping that Clabo got quickly...you see Tannehill looking strait down the seam but only because the design of the play requires him to do so, he was going outside the whole time no matter what, if he could feel that his tackle got whipped So quickly, a quick half step up into the pocket and just tossing that to clay, clay is running up the gut freely, instead, he tried to keep his head looking down the seam to hold the safety, but he was going outside all day..you've got to multitask in the pocket..
     
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  23. VanDolPhan

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    I was against a pass even before it happened. You run the ball in that situation. Even if he only gains a couple yards it sets up a more manageable 3rd down situation and you use up a lot of clock close to the 2 minute warning. Hell it may have been for more then 2 yards also straight up the gut considering Pouncey didn't even have anyone to block in protection.

    Buffalo then turned around and showed us how it was done...running it down our throats.
     
  24. Fin-Omenal

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    I agree. Normally I despise a conservative approach, but in that situation running clock, punting, then making Thad Lewis drive down the field without timeouts would've been the right play.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    The more I look at the play, the more I don't like Clay on the quick slant. Kiko Alonso (who already has four interceptions over the middle of the field) was lined up right there and was buzzing right into that exact passing lane at the moment Tannehill would have needed to deliver the football.
     
  26. Fin-Omenal

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    Not to mention, he didnt exactly have time to improvise on that play.

    Sad thing is, he gets that extra half second? The pass is likely completed and all of us are excited to be playing for 1st place Sunday.

    Game of inches
     
  27. djphinfan

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    yeah I mean the only way it works is if Ryan is able to step up one pace and lead him on the play, clay got that inside leverage and the zone was open, but he would of had to get that extra beat and lead him over the top of the lineman, maybe even a jump pass.

    My point was I just didn't like the fixation to keep his head strait while knowing where he was gonna go, there didn't seem to be any feel for what Clay was doing.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    I don't think he was reading Clay really. I think he was reading the middle safety, who rotated toward Wallace's side. That's all he needed to see, in order to decide that his man Brian Hartline is going to get open against the single coverage.

    Keep in mind that Clay did not keep running left to right on the play. That wasn't his route. He ran up the seam and then stopped, hooked back to the quarterback. Tannehill could've floated it to the right but then he'd have to hope Clay would see it and keep running. And then he'd have to hope the left linebacker (whom Tannehill wouldn't have been able to read yet on his read-progression) didn't float backward in zone.

    What I WISH is that the play call had actually been a double-move to Hartline.

    Well, that and I with the pass protection wasn't so abominable that a double-move was out of the question.
     

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