Fair enough if that's the case. The initial reports all suggested it to be a 2013 pick. I suppose that with the Raiders' lack of picks though, the Seahawks weren't going to get the price they wanted if they were hung up on 2013 picks.
I think all told they're going to get at least a 3rd round equivalent for this, between the two picks in question.
Ugh, that is a bad move for the Raiders, great for the Seahawks. Now I'm totes jel. EDIT: I am hearing they are both late-round picks?
I think Brandt is right about Tannehill being the #1 pick if he were in this draft. RT has a lot of room to grow. If we keep adding weapons in the draft (e.g., you know who ) then I think he'll be that much better under the training of very good coaches. It is amazing he only had 19 games before last year and even after last year, still has fewer games (35) under his belt as a QB than last year's other three top rookie QBs had in college. Another year (if we can protect him) and I think we'll be pretty happy (as we keep getting good weapons).
It's all up in the air at this point. But if we're pretending that they're getting two 4th round picks, for example, that's a 3rd round equivalent.
The thing about saying Ryan Tannehill would be the #1 QB in this Draft is...so would Andrew Luck, so would Robert Griffin, hell maybe even Weeden would've been. And if you fast forwarded to where we have the benefit of hindsight, Russell Wilson certainly would be the #1 pick in this Draft.
This is how you justify the Fireland mob of idiots that whined and moaned after we passed on Flynn. Now I've seen it all.
He can say that all he wants. It is not provable and just speculation. Just like I can say had Barkley been in last year's draft he'd have been picked before Tannehill. I believe it, but of course cannot prove it.
I think Carroll liked Wilson more because Wilson was better suited to the type of offense Carroll wanted to run.
I didn't see anywhere where that was implied. Seattle was good enough to draft a very good rookie and cover its bases with someone they got multiple picks for a year later.
Ha. That's actually funny. The Raiduhs COULDN'T give them a 2013 pick, cause they don't freakin have any. The Raiduhs and Jests are fighting to see who is the most futile in regards to FA and DRAFT...and I am loving it.....
I'm glad someone else brought it up. "Totally jealous". I think we need to give invid a weedgee for this.
Are you sure? If so, that is the laziest thing I have ever seen....ever. It's not like it costs money to actually spell things out. Kids these days.....
It speaks volumes about what's available this year. I do wonder about Weeden, would he still be ahead of Barkley in this year's draft? I'd bet he'd be #2 or 3 behind Geno Smith and Barkley, but not by much.
Its all extremely speculative...Barkley looked better than Tannehill last year....this year his team dropped. Who's to say that Tannehill doesn't play balls out with another year of college and blows away anything we saw from Barkley last year (let alone this one). Either way, I'm glad we got the kid, and super glad we got him at #8 - even if it was called a "reach" at the time. Thats where the conversation ends for me.
I see the straw farm is having a discount sale. The Fireland group was on the Suck for Luck bandwagon. We were not In For Flynn. More importantly, what in the hell does a trade between the Raiders and the Seahawks have to do with Jeff Ireland?
Didn't Ireland make a move for both these guys? We're lucky he didn't want them badly enough/someone wanted them more.
I think the relevant point is that he did indeed show interest, but wasn't willing to overpay for them.
I know, I'm just playing around. My point is, if there wasn't a team more eager for these guys, they'd be on our team (if the reports are true). Ireland gets credit for not wanting to pay too much, but a roster spot is a roster spot at the same time. If a guys worth is 5, and Ireland wanted to pay 8, and another guy pays 9, is Ireland that smart? Not really. He's lucky. In this case, we don't yet know what Flynn's worth, yet. Matt Moore is a terrible practice player, but plays alright in games and we gave him $6m. Just providing perspective. If we land Flynn, we have Matt, do we draft Tannehill last year?
I think the grade would have to be Incomplete .Flynn was not a failure .He was beaten out for the job for the system they were running in Seattle is all you can say.
Yes, we still draft Tannehill. We wouldn't have signed Garrard. You are incorrectly framing the scenario too. Ireland offered him a contract that was not indicative of starter money. He didn't get lucky, he offered what Flynn was worth to the team. Seattle wanted Flynn to compete for the starters position, Miami wanted a veteran for at most a one year stop-gap.
Well, not if he'd advanced a year in age, lol. Every year that ticks off that guy's clock is a pretty large fraction of his value falling off the board.
That makes no sense. It was Ireland's fault that Indy got the first pick? The Fireland flash mob protesters started when we didn't sign Flynn. They were wrong and Ireland was right. Still can't face it huh?
I think you're unnecessarily differentiating how Seattle and Miami viewed him. They had the same thing in mind for him, just the Seahawks were willing to pay more for it. The Seahawks had their eye on Russell Wilson for a LONG time. Having Matt Flynn in the fold gave them the security they needed to take some chances and go after the guy they loved. Miami would've been the same way. Essentially I believe that if Matt Flynn never signed with Seattle, Russell Wilson either wouldn't be a Seahawk right now or they'd have had to take him with the 2nd rounder to ensure they'd get him. Having Flynn in the fold allowed them to roll the dice and sweat it out to the 3rd round. They were willing to use their 2nd on Wilson. So to me they paid $8 million for the difference between that 2nd and 3rd round pick, as well as whatever it is they end up getting for Wilson in trade.
I suppose you're right, but I still see there being a difference in that Seattle wanted him in case Wilson didn't happen and we wanted him to compete just to hold the spot for a year. I think the contracts offered dictate how much each team felt he was worth to the organization, and ours was obviously lower. Either way, it worked out for both teams.
I don't remember the exact timeline, but it was not the sole reason...it may have been the straw that broke the camel's back though. People were whipped up into an angry frenzy last year, and much of it had to do with the media straight up lying about a whole lot of things.
