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tannehill ranked #7 by pff

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CitizenSnips, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    QB - Ryan Tannehill - seventh. This is as high a rating as Tannehill gets by any measure. Tannehill's cumulative rating of all the PFF stats is 16.4 percent. Here's the quarterbacks before him: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Josh McCown. Immediately after Tannehill: Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford and Jay Cutler. PFF doesn't penalize sacks as much as other ratings systems. But the way to help Tannehill is obvious - (a) improve protection so he isn't sacked 58 times (b) give him a tall, seam-stretching tightend.

    sun-sentinel.com/#story/sfl-hyde5-tannehill-ranked-7th-via-pff-stats-20140121/

    (Typing on phone, making links is difficult, little help?)
     
  2. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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  3. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    A power back to compliment Miller as well....
     
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  4. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    PFF is very Jekyll and Hyde with their ratings. I'm a big fan of Tannehill and think he's going to be very good, but 7th? Nah.

    He progressed nicely for sure, but he still needs to work on his deep ball accuracy and his pocket presence.
     
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  5. LiferYank

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    I'd like to see him behind even an average OL before we judge him to badly on his deep ball accuracy. Even Brady missed WR's a ton against Denver and its a trend when he gets hit ~
     
  6. Rocky Raccoon

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    Fair point, but he still missed a ton of wide open receivers down field. Bad protection or not, he needs to improve in that area.

    Again though, I'm not going to complain about Tannehill. His numbers were solid this past season and that was with awful protection and an awful running game.

    I think he's going to be very good once we partner him with a capable running game and offensive line.
     
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  7. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    no mention of foles in that list. i need to know why.
     
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  8. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Also worth mentioning, wake and grimes were ranked #2 at their positions.

    Despite his injury and his stats being down, wake was still a force
     
  9. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    here it comes, the attack on Tannehill begins ?
     
  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    What do we hear all the time? That Brady & Manning are great and everything but if you pressure them and hit them a lot you'll rattle them.

    What happens when Tannehill gets hit a lot? Everything is his fault.
     
  11. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    Yep off the top of my head playoff losses of for Brady no matter if it was Denver just now or the Ravens, Giants, or Jets they all hit Brady and got to his head and a HoF QB was making horrible throws.. Go fig.
     
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  12. brandon27

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    Ryan is supposed to block for himself too apparently. Didn't you know? I mean he has some experience blocking. When he was a WR, he blocked on run plays at times. So, he knows how to do it, he's got to start doing it before throwing apparently. Sounds like a busy offseason for Tannehill.
     
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  13. MIASportsFan

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    This just adds to the confirmation of my belief that we have our franchise guy in RT. With a solid offseason, shoring up the line and running game, I think we are in for a playoff run next year.
     
  14. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    worth the repeat!

    Ryan Tannehill
    in his second year is ranked 7th amongst NFL QB's
    Ryan has played without an effective offensive line or running game & has been sacked about 60 times on the season breaking all records... (at last count?).... think about it.
    does this not appear to be a Franchise QB or are you privy to inside information that the last two injurious games has damaged his ability beyond repair & can no longer compete or be effective in the NFL?

    this kind of season has destroyed many a bright future. is this what you think has happened? you could make an argument but it better be a good one.

    personally, I think this is more of the same inane "We hate Miami"spewing forth all over Tannehill.
     
  15. GMJohnson

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    There's Brady, Brees, Manning and Rodgers. Then there's a clump of 7-10 QBs who are pretty much interchangeable IMO. I'd put RT at the bottom of that list with a strong chance of climbing upwards over the next couple of seasons.
     
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  16. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This thread reminded me to go back and update the benchmark thread with the actual 2013 numbers. No doubt at all Tannehill was vastly improved this season. We just have to hope he continues to improve and completely forgets about those last 2 games…
     
  17. rtl1334

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    What people - even NFL analysts - neglect to mention or even fail to realize are the demands put on Tannehill. No other QB that's come out the past three years is asked to make full field reads and consistently throw into the teeth of the defense.

    Most are given one read and run options, half field reads with numerous high percentage passes. Maybe with Lazor in the fold now, we can increase our pass efficiency simply with better game planning and play design.
     
  18. finsincebirth

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    Here's what I love. Last year Ryan watched tape of every snap to see where he could improve and get better, and he did. I can only imagine he'll do the same again this year. Ryan has the physical tools and the work ethic to become great. Now we just need to see it all click.

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  19. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Also, take a look at the QBs who made the playoffs, especially the final 4. All of them had pretty damn or exceptional running games this year. Tannehill had virtually no running game to count on. It was all on his shoulders behind one of, if not the worst offensive line in the league.
     
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  20. vt_dolfan

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    Seems so logical doesnt it? Yet..some here believe Tannehill isnt any better then Chad Henne. Oh well..cant lead a horse to water

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  21. rtl1334

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    I agree. I have never seen Wilson dissect a defense from the pocket the way Tannehill did to win games vs the Falcons, Steelers and Pats.

    But let's keep the narrative going that this guy throwing 25 times per game off rollouts and half field reads, with Frankenstein in the backfield and with the league's best defense is somehow a franchise QB.
     
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  22. vt_dolfan

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    Eh..I like Russel Wilson. Guys an amazing team mate...works his *** off...you dont see him kissing his biceps. That said..I'd take Tannehill over any of them..even Luck. In the end..I think hes going to be the best QB of that draft.

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  23. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    i don't think Wilson is anything special as a passer. He can move around a lot and make things happen but he has very little ability to stand in the pocket and deliver it the way you need to IMO. Without Lynch, idk what that offense looks like. Wilson must have ran 15 yards backwards on at least 3 different occasions against the niners. Once led to a 50 yard bomb, the other two were intentional grounding (only one was called).

    His situation is very reminiscent of sanchez.
     
  24. vt_dolfan

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    I dunno..I can see him ending up alot like Drew Brees. I think his hard work will get him there...which is also the biggest reason I think RT ends up the best of this class..because hes willing to work hard enough to be that good

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  25. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Chad Henne 2009 = Ryan Tannehill 2012. Chad Henne 2010 ne Ryan Tannehill 2013. Both QBs had similar promising but not great starts, but if Dolphin fans can't see how much more Tannehill improved in 2013 where Henne only regressed in 2010 they just aren't paying attention. There's room for improvement for sure, but we always knew Tannehill was a QB with a high ceiling. As long as we keep seeing him improve and getting better with time, he's the last thing about this Dolphins team fans should ***** about.
     
  26. Mainge

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    It's a cumulative number and not an average rating. Guys that have more snaps are going to inherently rank higher (or lower) than guys with less snaps.
     
  27. CitizenSnips

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    once upon a time i didn't think we'd ever see a qb throw 24 tds in a season ever again. Now im thinking tannehill can hit 30+ no problem if he and wallace connect on those deep balls.
     
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  28. jw3102

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    I guess Tannehill forgot to bring his scalpel along to dissect the Bills and Jets in the last two games of the season. Tannehill certainly had some good games this past season, but he also failed to show up in the final two games when the Dolphins merely needed one win to make the playoffs.

    Tannehill may eventually turn into a quality QB, but so far he has been very inconsistent from week to week. He also has only led the Dolphins offense to come from behind victories in the fourth quarter a few times over the 32 times he has been the Dolphins starting QB. To me, putting the team on your back and leading the team to victories late in games consistently is what separates the top tier QB from the average QB's in the NFL. Right now Tannehill is merely a very average NFL QB, no matter what PFF might say about his stats.

    Hopefully he will take a giant step forward next year, under the guidance of the new offensive coordinator. He needs to lead this team to the playoffs next year or the new GM will be looking for a new QB of the future in the 2015 draft.
     
  29. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    The Buffalo game I give Tannehill a pass...but not the Jets game. Hes gotta make that pass to Wallace. Although..he does we may still have Ireland as GM..so..yeh he gets a pass on that as well.

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  30. rtl1334

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    Oh Tannehill absolutely is an average QB but he's just asked to do a lot more than the other young QBs - Luck included. He didn't crumble under this pressure, he just didn't excel. For the other young QBs, we have no idea if they can even carry the load as Tannehill was asked to do this past season.

    As for the last two games...Buffalo was a write off. No QB would excel under that complete mismatch up front. As for the Jets game, I haven't really commented on it but looking back, two things stood out to me regarding Tannehill...(1) he clearly missed Hartline and (2) he wasn't stepping into his throws. This tells me he might have been bothered by the knee injury from late in the Buffalo game.
     
  31. Fin-Omenal

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    I'm all for waiting until this time next year to pass judgment on our young QB.

    I'm not a big enough homer to apologize for his mishaps, and not a big enough hater to ignore the fact he is only a second year QB with very few advantages.

    I will wait and see.
     
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  32. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    yeah he just wasn't himself in the jet game, he was missing throws that he usually hits in his sleep.
     
  33. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Losing hartline had to have taken a toll. Hartline is his go-to guy and has been from day one. Those two just "click" and always have. No it doesn't excuse him missing throws to the other guys but it probably threw him off a bit.
     
  34. dolfan40

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    im saying it straight he let this season 7-10 on the Field 7 Bombs to Wallace once Hartline even clay and Matthews once..But i think with Lazor he will imprive Big Time and i dont think lazor lets zac taylor coach him up much cause Lazor is for me and Qb gutu
     
  35. CitizenSnips

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    according to a report i read, lazor made Vick and Foles watch every single throw from sunday's game on monday, then take notes. They would dissect every throw and determine what happened and how to avoid it. I simply refuse to believe that was happening under Sherman. Tannehill never once threw a deep ball with any sense of anticipation, which to me, speaks to coaching. If Lazor goes over every single throw of tannehills from this past season, and i believe he will as the first thing he said was "i can't wait to meet the guys and get started. I think that needs to already be happening", then tannehill will correct it.
     
  36. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i also think his knee was bothering him some as well. some of his throws looked like he was just putting all arm into them.
     
  37. the 23rd

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    jw3102 said
     
  38. jdang307

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    Exactly. At this point I think he deserves moderate praise and moderate criticism. Anything more on either side is probably premature. Let's see next year
     
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  39. padre31

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    Yep, most people forget he dinged his knee late in the year.

    Tannehill can..throw the ball into the EZ for Td's...Henne rarely could do it.

    Henne had a far better running game and a far better offensive line overall.

    To me, no comparison.

    I'm happy with Tannehill see flaws in his game mostly centered on ball placement, and tbh, wonder if he'd be better suited to a more run heavy.play action passing style offense over the hybrid WCO we run.

    Simplified of course analogy, just think hoping THill suddenly pin points passes to Wr's heading down hill MAY not ever really happen, we'll see what "Lazor" can do with him.
     
  40. PhinsRDbest

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    I think Ryan showed a lot with what he had to work with protection wise, it's scary to imagine what he can do with an o-line that can block for him and the backs. I think he definitely played hurt after being murdered in the last Buffalo game and it was an amazing feat that he wasn't injured earlier in the year. I think the long ball to Wallace will be more fruitful next year with him and Ryan having the off-season to work on chemistry. Gibson is coming back and maybe bring back Keller and do the obvious(upgrade o-line). Although I feel like the WR core is missing a piece. Maybe Gibson, Matthews, and Hartline are too similar so maybe moving one for a pick or release one of the bigger salary guys freeing up some money to pick up maybe a Jacoby Ford, Andre Roberts, or Emmanuel Sanders in FA.
     

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