Tanny wasn't bad against KC- (Sample Illustrations)

"54Fins wrote:

EDIT: The link won't work because of the "bad" word in it. b*i*t*c*h

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All my posts put the first blame on coaching. Second went to the D. Then Tannehill is also to blame. He needs to move the offense and has not done that this year.

he wasn't bad at all. he made the throws that were needed and the receivers dropped pass, after pass that were on the money. when it comes to blame for the loss it should be on the play calling, piss poor coaching and receivers dropping the ball. tannehill cannot throw the ball and catch it at the same time. playmakers make plays and the dolphins have 0 playmakers on offense(outside of wallace)

"CaribPhin wrote:

If 4 dropped passes determines whether your team sinks or swims, you sort of have a problem.

Precisely. This goes back to our inability to get chunk plays in the passing game. His YPA Sunday was 4.7. Yes that's right...4.7. It's so bad it doesn't look right.

When you can't get chunk yards that means you have to stay on schedule with the down and distance. No room for error, whether it be penalties, drops, or missed assignments that lead to bad sacks, etc. This has been the story of Dolphins football for a decade.

The other red flag about 'sort of having a problem' is that we ran it at 7 yards per carry...and scored 13 points...:no:

Tannehill's not exactly playing at a good level. With that said, though? It just seems like the whole offense (sans Wallace and Miller -- not counting Moreno since this is his first year here) has taken a huge step back.

"Limbo wrote:

Precisely. This goes back to our inability to get chunk plays in the passing game. His YPA Sunday was 4.7. Yes that's right...4.7. It's so bad it doesn't look right.

When you can't get chunk yards that means you have to stay on schedule with the down and distance. No room for error, whether it be penalties, drops, or missed assignments that lead to bad sacks, etc. This has been the story of Dolphins football for a decade.

The other red flag about 'sort of having a problem' is that we ran it at 7 yards per carry...and scored 13 points...:no:

And YPA differential correlates with wins at 0.77, so imagine how much the defense would have to suppress the opposing QB's performance (and/or how bad the opposing QB would have to perform on his own) for there to be the kind of YPA differential in the Dolphins' favor that's associated with winning.

"Silverphin wrote:

Tannehill's not exactly playing at a good level. With that said, though? It just seems like the whole offense (sans Wallace and Miller -- not counting Moreno since this is his first year here) has taken a huge step back.

Well the offensive line and the running game have taken a step forward, so that leaves the passing game, of which Ryan Tannehill is the prime mover. One can nominate drops as a contributor, but again, Tannehill's receivers had that same problem at Texas A&M.

This isn't difficult to figure out in my opinion. Most of us expected (or at least hoped for) Ryan Tannehill to improve considerably this year, and so it's difficult to reconcile what we're seeing with that expectation. However, when you consider that Tannehill was brought into the league with "training wheels" (his college system, run by his college head coach), which have since been removed, the most parsimonious explanation in my opinion is that we're seeing the typical "rookie QB" play we would've likely seen in his first year in the league, had the "training wheels" not been applied.

"Limbo wrote:

Precisely. This goes back to our inability to get chunk plays in the passing game. His YPA Sunday was 4.7. Yes that's right...4.7. It's so bad it doesn't look right.

When you can't get chunk yards that means you have to stay on schedule with the down and distance. No room for error, whether it be penalties, drops, or missed assignments that lead to bad sacks, etc. This has been the story of Dolphins football for a decade.

The other red flag about 'sort of having a problem' is that we ran it at 7 yards per carry...and scored 13 points...:no:

Need to understand...YPA is a "passing offense" stat...not nearly solely on the QB. It's impacted by a multitude of factors as well as the QB. Much like passer rating, it's not truly indicative and inclusive of a QB's play...good or bad.

Seriously? I was at the game. He sucked. His stats suck. His play sucks. Sucks to watch him. Sucks sucks sucks. Sure there were plenty of other problems. Why make excuses for a QB that sucks? No pocket presence. Looks almost as good as FREAKIN HENNE=SUCKS

Tannehill has been sub par this year. Far below the low mid tier QBR he's averaged. But when we see the misses on the long passes in training camp and on the field, the throws behind receivers, and the high throw that ended Keller's career, and it was also a bad pass that got Gibson hurt last year. The one thing he's been consistent as is inconsistency. Unfortunately, we have no QB in training and we see that Foles was not just a product of Lazor.

"Dolphans Unite! wrote:

Well the offensive line and the running game have taken a step forward, so that leaves the passing game, of which Ryan Tannehill is the prime mover. One can nominate drops as a contributor, but again, Tannehill's receivers had that same problem at Texas A&M.

This isn't difficult to figure out in my opinion. Most of us expected (or at least hoped for) Ryan Tannehill to improve considerably this year, and so it's difficult to reconcile what we're seeing with that expectation. However, when you consider that Tannehill was brought into the league with "training wheels" (his college system, run by his college head coach), which have since been removed, the most parsimonious explanation in my opinion is that we're seeing the typical "rookie QB" play we would've likely seen in his first year in the league, had the "training wheels" not been applied.

Many people stated before the season that they expected some bumps in the team getting used to the new offense. That doesn't deserve any reconciliation though, evidently. I'd rather go with what the pro, NFL experienced coaches and experts say about it, that you have to give it several games to become smooth.

Unless you can tie drops to a particular QB deficiency, re-stating the receivers at A&M had drop problems too doesn't really say much, except maybe that he has very bad luck in that area. The receivers are catching balls at different points and angles of movement compared to the previous system, maybe that's a contributor. He didn't have NEAR the % of drops last year that he's had to live with this year...and he progressed a lot between year 1 and 2...what's to say his numbers wouldn't be an improvement over last year's without the increased drop rate? I did some napkin math judging by the yards and position of the drops through the first 2 games and the team's passer rating would have been well over 100 with 75% of those drops not happening (which isn't too much to expect IMHO). YPA would be above average as well.

"Dolphans Unite! wrote:

And YPA differential correlates with wins at 0.77, so imagine how much the defense would have to suppress the opposing QB's performance (and/or how bad the opposing QB would have to perform on his own) for there to be the kind of YPA differential in the Dolphins' favor that's associated with winning.

To be that bad, the QB for most intensive purposes have to be a zombie or near death, yet capable enough to put the ball in the air so I'll stick with a zombie.

Or one would just have to bring Scott Mitchell back and let him have a shot.

Wallace hasn't created separation.....k

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Need to understand...YPA is a "passing offense" stat...not nearly solely on the QB. It's impacted by a multitude of factors as well as the QB. Much like passer rating, it's not truly indicative and inclusive of a QB's play...good or bad.

I would encourage you to look at the career YPAs of QBs in the era since the five-yard chuck rule was implemented (1994) and see if you can detect a relationship between the perceptions of QBs' individual abilities and their YPAs. There will be exceptions to the rule in any such relationship, of course.

"finwin wrote:

Tannehill has been sub par this year. Far below the low mid tier QBR he's averaged. But when we see the misses on the long passes in training camp and on the field, the throws behind receivers, and the high throw that ended Keller's career, and it was also a bad pass that got Gibson hurt last year. The one thing he's been consistent as is inconsistency. Unfortunately, we have no QB in training and we see that Foles was not just a product of Lazor.

Jeez. I didn't realize he was so bad he was responsible for getting guys hurt. (The Texans player that hit Keller actually went low at the knee, it had nothing to do with the location of the pass.)

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

Jeez. I didn't realize he was so bad he was responsible for getting guys hurt. (The Texans player that hit Keller actually went low at the knee, it had nothing to do with the location of the pass.)

He should have some responsibility. When you throw behind guy going across the middle, you are going to get a player jacked up. Its just plain bottom 5 QB play for the league.

"huck1974 wrote:

He should have some responsibility. When you throw behind guy going across the middle, you are going to get a player jacked up. Its just plain bottom 5 QB play for the league.

No, he doesn't. The player went at the knee with his helmet. He even admitted so. It also didn't happen as you describe it.

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

Jeez. I didn't realize he was so bad he was responsible for getting guys hurt. (The Texans player that hit Keller actually went low at the knee, it had nothing to do with the location of the pass.)

Tannehill threw the ball high Keller was wide open and had to leave his feet and it put him in an awkward position.

"Dolphans Unite! wrote:

I would encourage you to take a look at the career YPAs of QBs in the era since the five-yard chuck rule was implemented (1994) and see if you can detect a relationship between the perceptions of QBs' individual abilities and their YPAs. There will be exceptions to the rule in any such relationship, of course.

I'm not saying there's no correlation...I'm saying it's not just the QB. In the case of the 2014 Dolphins so far, there are several mitigating factors that people ignore with the anti-Tannehill agenda. I'm not saying he's a sure-fire franchise QB or the guy of the future, but a little fairness in evaluating how that number came to be shouldn't be too much to ask.

I repeat, I did the math and rating computations assuming 75% of the drops didn't happen, and the numbers were great. Well over 100 passer rating and much higher YPA...I encourage you to do the same.

Point is...RT has had issues...but so have others in the passing game...from coaching, plays-called, routes, drops, etc. To put everything on him is ridiculous.

By the way, is Wallace even fast anymore? Did he get slower since his days in Pittsburgh? Goodness, I never see that speed in display anymore.

"finwin wrote:

...the high throw that ended Keller's career...

Tannehill's pass was not at all responsible for Keller's injury. That was all Swearinger. The guy torpedoed Keller's knee from the side, and later admitted to intentionally aiming low. Dirty play. That sort of hit will take you out more often than not.

Here's the best footage of it - NFL.com - different angles.

As for Gibson's injury I can't find any footage of it now but I don't recall thinking Tannehill's pass was at fault. Footage or it didn't happen.

Then again, maybe it was all Tannehill's fault after all, along with Russian unrest, global warming and the sad fact that too much chocolate makes you fat.

Wow. So, this is where we're at now? Blaming a career-ending injury on Tannehill?

"54Fins wrote:

I agree with some of the posters here who put a finger on it first and said bad coaching was to blame.
Looking at the pics shown, we have some proof that the play designs Tanny was given to work with are flawed.

...as many have stated

http://dolphinblog.*****indave.com/2014/09/for-those-of-you-interested-in-post.html

EDIT: The link won't work because of the "bad" word in it. b*i*t*c*h

Here's a link to an article that guy wrote. Pretty good read IMHO.

"Galant wrote:

Tannehill's pass was not at all responsible for Keller's injury. That was all Swearinger. The guy torpedoed Keller's knee from the side, and later admitted to intentionally aiming low. Dirty play. That sort of hit will take you out more often than not.

Here's the best footage of it - NFL.com - different angles.

As for Gibson's injury I can't find any footage of it now but I don't recall thinking Tannehill's pass was at fault. Footage or it didn't happen.

Then again, maybe it was all Tannehill's fault after all, along with Russian unrest, global warming and the sad fact that too much chocolate makes you fat.

Sorry man. Swearinger had launched before Keller even came down. It was definately a fluke but the pass high and behind a wide open Keller and it put him in an awkward position. Was it intentional by Tannehill or Swearinger. NO. Would a more accurate pass have put Keller out of football. I'm convinced it would have been a routine catch and tackle with an accurate pass.