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Tanny wasn't bad against KC- (Sample Illustrations)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 54Fins, Sep 24, 2014.

  1. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    I agree with some of the posters here who put a finger on it first and said bad coaching was to blame.
    Looking at the pics shown, we have some proof that the play designs Tanny was given to work with are flawed.

    ...as many have stated

    http://dolphinblog.*****indave.com/2014/09/for-those-of-you-interested-in-post.html

    EDIT: The link won't work because of the "bad" word in it. b*i*t*c*h
     
  2. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Run it through TinyURL or similar before posting.
     
  3. finwin

    finwin Active Member

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    All my posts put the first blame on coaching. Second went to the D. Then Tannehill is also to blame. He needs to move the offense and has not done that this year.
     
  4. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    he wasn't bad at all. he made the throws that were needed and the receivers dropped pass, after pass that were on the money. when it comes to blame for the loss it should be on the play calling, piss poor coaching and receivers dropping the ball. tannehill cannot throw the ball and catch it at the same time. playmakers make plays and the dolphins have 0 playmakers on offense(outside of wallace)
     
  5. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    If 4 dropped passes determines whether your team sinks or swims, you sort of have a problem.
     
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  6. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    Precisely. This goes back to our inability to get chunk plays in the passing game. His YPA Sunday was 4.7. Yes that's right...4.7. It's so bad it doesn't look right.

    When you can't get chunk yards that means you have to stay on schedule with the down and distance. No room for error, whether it be penalties, drops, or missed assignments that lead to bad sacks, etc. This has been the story of Dolphins football for a decade.

    The other red flag about 'sort of having a problem' is that we ran it at 7 yards per carry...and scored 13 points...:no:
     
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  7. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill's not exactly playing at a good level. With that said, though? It just seems like the whole offense (sans Wallace and Miller -- not counting Moreno since this is his first year here) has taken a huge step back.
     
  8. Dolphans Unite!

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    And YPA differential correlates with wins at 0.77, so imagine how much the defense would have to suppress the opposing QB's performance (and/or how bad the opposing QB would have to perform on his own) for there to be the kind of YPA differential in the Dolphins' favor that's associated with winning.
     
  9. Dolphans Unite!

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    Well the offensive line and the running game have taken a step forward, so that leaves the passing game, of which Ryan Tannehill is the prime mover. One can nominate drops as a contributor, but again, Tannehill's receivers had that same problem at Texas A&M.

    This isn't difficult to figure out in my opinion. Most of us expected (or at least hoped for) Ryan Tannehill to improve considerably this year, and so it's difficult to reconcile what we're seeing with that expectation. However, when you consider that Tannehill was brought into the league with "training wheels" (his college system, run by his college head coach), which have since been removed, the most parsimonious explanation in my opinion is that we're seeing the typical "rookie QB" play we would've likely seen in his first year in the league, had the "training wheels" not been applied.
     
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  10. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Need to understand...YPA is a "passing offense" stat...not nearly solely on the QB. It's impacted by a multitude of factors as well as the QB. Much like passer rating, it's not truly indicative and inclusive of a QB's play...good or bad.
     
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  11. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Seriously? I was at the game. He sucked. His stats suck. His play sucks. Sucks to watch him. Sucks sucks sucks. Sure there were plenty of other problems. Why make excuses for a QB that sucks? No pocket presence. Looks almost as good as FREAKIN HENNE=SUCKS
     
  12. finwin

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    Tannehill has been sub par this year. Far below the low mid tier QBR he's averaged. But when we see the misses on the long passes in training camp and on the field, the throws behind receivers, and the high throw that ended Keller's career, and it was also a bad pass that got Gibson hurt last year. The one thing he's been consistent as is inconsistency. Unfortunately, we have no QB in training and we see that Foles was not just a product of Lazor.
     
  13. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Many people stated before the season that they expected some bumps in the team getting used to the new offense. That doesn't deserve any reconciliation though, evidently. I'd rather go with what the pro, NFL experienced coaches and experts say about it, that you have to give it several games to become smooth.

    Unless you can tie drops to a particular QB deficiency, re-stating the receivers at A&M had drop problems too doesn't really say much, except maybe that he has very bad luck in that area. The receivers are catching balls at different points and angles of movement compared to the previous system, maybe that's a contributor. He didn't have NEAR the % of drops last year that he's had to live with this year...and he progressed a lot between year 1 and 2...what's to say his numbers wouldn't be an improvement over last year's without the increased drop rate? I did some napkin math judging by the yards and position of the drops through the first 2 games and the team's passer rating would have been well over 100 with 75% of those drops not happening (which isn't too much to expect IMHO). YPA would be above average as well.
     
  14. Conuficus

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    To be that bad, the QB for most intensive purposes have to be a zombie or near death, yet capable enough to put the ball in the air so I'll stick with a zombie.

    Or one would just have to bring Scott Mitchell back and let him have a shot.
     
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  15. Fin-Omenal

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    Wallace hasn't created separation.....k
     
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  16. Dolphans Unite!

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    I would encourage you to look at the career YPAs of QBs in the era since the five-yard chuck rule was implemented (1994) and see if you can detect a relationship between the perceptions of QBs' individual abilities and their YPAs. There will be exceptions to the rule in any such relationship, of course.
     
  17. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Jeez. I didn't realize he was so bad he was responsible for getting guys hurt. (The Texans player that hit Keller actually went low at the knee, it had nothing to do with the location of the pass.)
     
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  18. finwin

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    Tannehill threw the ball high Keller was wide open and had to leave his feet and it put him in an awkward position.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OI1wjiRNFo
     
  19. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I'm not saying there's no correlation...I'm saying it's not just the QB. In the case of the 2014 Dolphins so far, there are several mitigating factors that people ignore with the anti-Tannehill agenda. I'm not saying he's a sure-fire franchise QB or the guy of the future, but a little fairness in evaluating how that number came to be shouldn't be too much to ask.

    I repeat, I did the math and rating computations assuming 75% of the drops didn't happen, and the numbers were great. Well over 100 passer rating and much higher YPA...I encourage you to do the same.

    Point is...RT has had issues...but so have others in the passing game...from coaching, plays-called, routes, drops, etc. To put everything on him is ridiculous.
     
  20. Vertical Limit

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    By the way, is Wallace even fast anymore? Did he get slower since his days in Pittsburgh? Goodness, I never see that speed in display anymore.
     
  21. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    He should have some responsibility. When you throw behind guy going across the middle, you are going to get a player jacked up. Its just plain bottom 5 QB play for the league.
     
  22. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    No, he doesn't. The player went at the knee with his helmet. He even admitted so. It also didn't happen as you describe it.
     
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  23. Galant

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    Tannehill's pass was not at all responsible for Keller's injury. That was all Swearinger. The guy torpedoed Keller's knee from the side, and later admitted to intentionally aiming low. Dirty play. That sort of hit will take you out more often than not.

    Here's the best footage of it - NFL.com - different angles.

    As for Gibson's injury I can't find any footage of it now but I don't recall thinking Tannehill's pass was at fault. Footage or it didn't happen.

    Then again, maybe it was all Tannehill's fault after all, along with Russian unrest, global warming and the sad fact that too much chocolate makes you fat.
     
  24. Silverphin

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    Wow. So, this is where we're at now? Blaming a career-ending injury on Tannehill?
     
  25. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Here's a link to an article that guy wrote. Pretty good read IMHO.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-145
     
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  26. finwin

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    Sorry man. Swearinger had launched before Keller even came down. It was definately a fluke but the pass high and behind a wide open Keller and it put him in an awkward position. Was it intentional by Tannehill or Swearinger. NO. Would a more accurate pass have put Keller out of football. I'm convinced it would have been a routine catch and tackle with an accurate pass.
     
  27. Sceeto

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    Oh man. What a give away. I missed Mr Parsimonious ....and I agree.
     
  28. heylookatme

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    Swearinger gets a lot of guys hurt with tackling form that can only be described as either 'shoddy' or 'dirty.' Get a grip.
     
  29. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Parsawhatiness?

    I was wondering how long it would take people to coorelate things and go...hmmmmmm.....
     
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  30. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    yup he is the new scapegoat of the 2014 miami dolphins as well as the antichrist.
     
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  31. CaribPhin

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    I've played football at an amateur level for 8 years and I'm currently a starting wide receiver. I've been coached very specifically to not jump for no reason. Keller's jump was wholly unnecessary but he's not to blame for his injury either. D. J. Swearinger has a HISTORY of going low and injuring players. Swearinger is the guy who gave Welker his concussion in the preseason. He's Brandon Meriweather 2.0.
     
  32. CaribPhin

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    I'll preface by saying I don't have faith in Tannehill because people here tend to try and pigeon-hole you as being on a 'side' so they know who to argue with. That said, I have no faith in Philbin either so I fit squarely in the cynical ******* category. That said, people complaining about training wheels on a QB really must be forgetting about Alex Smith. Jim Harbaugh turned him into a viable QB by putting on training wheels and making the game easier. If Philbin were smart, he'd put the training wheels on with an extra dose of pads and reflectors so he could keep his job. If babying a kid wins you games, why no do it? Alex Smith has made the playoffs under two head coaches because those guys are actually good coaches. He has gone from one of the biggest busts of the 2000's to a $70 million man.
     
  33. Dolphans Unite!

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    And that can work, if you have other areas of your team that are very good, such as your running game and defense. San Francisco had both, as did the Chiefs, and the Chiefs last year benefitted as well from a huge turnover margin, which tends to vary randomly from year to year and isn't likely to be replicated by them to that degree this year. Hell, the Jets made the AFC Championship game with Mark Sanchez in a limited offense with him playing below average, simply because they had the number-one running game and the number-one defense in the league that year.

    If you don't have that, then you need a great QB who's playing in an offense that's designed to generate points with the passing game. Offenses that are equipped with training wheels for the benefit of a developmental (such as Tannehill) and/or limited (such as Smith, and perhaps Tannehill, as well) QB are not those offenses.

    So, there's a trade-off between having a "training wheel" offense and scoring points. If you don't need to score as many points with your passing offense, again because you have a stellar running game and defense, that can sure work. But if those other areas of your team aren't so great, you're hurting. You're simply not equipped to be highly competitive in today's NFL.

    So, perhaps be glad Philbin is trying to do what's needed to win in today's NFL, potentially eventually at the expense of his job. If you're a Miami Dolphins fan, you should like that.
     
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  35. HogsHDFinsfan

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    Hard to disagree
     
  36. VManis

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    Keller barely left his feet and caught the ball at chest height, that is hardly a high throw.
     
  37. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Interesting article. I think this clip is the best example. That's hideous spacing with the three wr in the middle.

    [​IMG]
     
  38. mlb1399

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    I think the blame is equal parts RTH, WR/TE's, OL and coaching. It's easy for fans to just focus on the coaching or QB but really all 4 areas are failing. RTH doesn't seem to have a feel for the game in the pocket or reading where the open receiver will be like a good QB does. His receivers aren't helping by dropping 12 balls this year. The OL needs to get better and keep him upright. Hopefully Pouncey's return and fiery attitude will help with that. The coaching needs to get our entire offense, and team, in sync.
     
  39. JMHPhin

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    Oh I gotta rejoin club, shots getting deep now. Lengths people will go to be right and not admit there are many issues
     
  40. Galant

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