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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DePhinistr8, Aug 10, 2010.

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  1. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    ...on the way in to work this morning, I was listening to the Baltimore sports station and their Ravens beat reporter was mentioning that the team is desperate to fill a need at corner.

    They're not looking for an all-world starter, but someone who can provide depth and fill in until Fabian Washington and LaDarius Webb get healthy.. (they just lost Dominik Foxworth for the season a couple weeks ago)

    Since it seems that Jason Allen may be somewhat on the fringe, do you think the Ravens would make a suitable trade partner?

    Their reporter mentioned that the Ravens don't want to trade picks, but would look to move a player. They are very deep at LB and TE.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Makados10

    Makados10 Active Member

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    Cornerback depth is definitely a strength of our team and I'd rather not give it up.

    Especially to the Ravens that we have to play in Baltimore, a sheik superbowl pick this year, which will be the weakness we target. A weak secondary, and often injured Ed Reed, is the only reason the Ravens are behind the Colts in the AFC imo.
     
  3. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    They should trade for Revis.
     
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  4. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    id think will allen would be more suitable for trade bait.
     
  5. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    i think we should wait until vontae and sean actually shut some players down before we check those positions off as filled. we dont have any corners that would be in the conversation for top 10 in the league. its definately not a strength. we got torched in the secondary last year. that wasnt all wilsons fault. lets wait till the rookies show they have improved before we assume that they are on the way to stardom.
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Agree that Jason Allen would be attractive for not only the Ravens, but the Titans and a couple of other teams, but and it's a huge but:

    Jason Allen is our second most experienced Corner Back after Will Allen, with Will coming back from the ACL, would it be wise to risk trading J Allen so Nolan Carroll and Nate Ness can fillin?

    They have -0- NFL starts between them, a 5th rd pick we would receive for Jason Allen would not be worth the risk imho.
     
  7. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    I agree. However, if he is in trouble of being cut outright (pure speculation) wouldn't it be prudent to get something for him? Even if it is to someone we'll face this year.
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Look at it the other way, if Jason Allen was waived, they are happy with inexperienced Corner's heading into a season.

    Imho, after last season, especially with JA playing well in the Steelers game, they don't have to rely on a Nate Ness or Nolan Carroll, if we saw one thing all of last season, young Cb's give up big plays.
     
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  9. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I have to admit, I am actually very concerned/nervous about this secondary going into this year....Am I one of the few that think this way??

    You have Vontae, who is the best of them out there, but for all the flash he showed, he gave up some big plays too. Sean Smith, ehh he needs a big fast start this year, I get the feeling from him that he is emotional...a fast start could do wonders, getting burnt in Buffalo might have the opposite effect.. Will I mean the cat is good, but that was 2 years ago and a severe injuey later...Up until the draft and after it, Miami was clamoring for a FS, and realistically have 2 options, Culver, and Clemons...That is a HUGE responsibility to be filled and no matter how good Clemons is doing so far in camp...this position is still up in the air to me big time....then you have JA, and some rookies...who are all unproven..

    My hope is that Miami's front 7 brings so much pressure that is takes the burden off of the secondary alla the Giants in that SB year...that team didnt have an amazing secondary, but their front 7 was legendary with bringing pressure....Opposing QB's didnt have enough time to take shots downfield, as there was usually somebody in his face...
     
  10. Ohio Fanatic

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    depth at CB is critical for any playoff wannabee team, especially in AFC. but, if they offered a 4th round pick, with clauses, I'd consider trading J Allen to them. Take advantage of their desperation.
     
  11. FinsAreLife

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    I personally hope our team does nothing to help the ravens out, i cant stand them and theyll already have a good team regardless.
     
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  12. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    That's why you would trade him. It would take Jason forever to learn their system and he can be abused easily.
     
  13. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    If the Dolphins REALLY believe that Jason Allen is doing awesome in camp and is coming along (me = skeptical), then they shouldn't trade him. You need all the corners and DBs you can get your hands on, you can never have enough.

    Now, on the other hand, if they believe that Jason Allen is still just Jason Allen and that Nate Ness might actually be more worthy of a roster space, then you could absolutely think about trading JA to him.
     
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    Corner Back is the simplest position to learn one's responsibilities though, note coverage responsibilities not "how to play the position", and I'd think the Ravens would look at it as their passrush should be able to make up for deficiencies.

    But still, heading into the 2010 season with

    Sean Smith-16 starts
    Vontae Davis-11 starts
    Will Allen coming back from a ACL injury
    UDFA Nate Ness
    5th rd pick Nolan Carroll

    Is not the best situation, if Carroll is injured, that would leave Ness, if J Allen was kept we would have extremely athletic backups with Allen the first call off of the bench.
     
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  15. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    no...
     
  16. Finsanity

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    CB is the hardest position to fill. No way do we give up any of our CB.
     
  17. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I have warmed slightly to Jason Allen over the years. He is a great special teams guy, a good athlete and most importantly provides depth to the secondary. For those reasons, I'd have to say no on trading him.

    I think I may be in the minority here, but I think our secondary is going to be much better this year. I really like Clemons at FS ( have to see him in a game though), The young guys Davis and Smith and now the addition of Nolan Carrol. This is a good young group and will only get better, but the main reason is I think our pass rush and the different blitz packages that Mike Nolan is installing will take alot of pressure off of those guys.
     
  18. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    My guess is that the final roster will feature Smith, Davis, W. Allen, J. Allen and Carroll. I'b be very comfortable with that CB line up. The only way I would trade J.A. would be if they were so happy with Ness that they were going to cut him anyways.

    If they were to trade him to the Ravens, then my fantasy would be to acquire Pitta. That would never happen of course, but I can dream.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    That's not even close to happening. Not only is it extremely rare to trade a guy you just picked in the draft this year, but Pitta has supposedly looked outstanding in camp.

    Major Wright and Dennis Pitta...two guys I wish we'd somehow come away with for sure. And Geno Atkins. I'm not even sure exactly how he'd fit, probably a DE, but he's ridiculously good.
     
  20. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I wanted Zibokowski that year bad...
     
  21. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I wondered how Pitta had looked in camp. Not getting him was my major disappointment from this draft.
     
  22. dolfan22

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    All specualtion at this point , but that is part of what pre season is about of course.

    Bottom line , if Miami thinks a deal benefits them they would be agreeable to move a CB ( Jason Allen perhaps ) .

    They would of course have to feel they have a suitable replacement for him , Carroll / Ness presumably and feel what they would receive would be an improvement for the team overall.

    Baltimore does have some potentially intriguing players they may move , so a player for player seems most likely to me .
     
  23. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    I'm not saying I want to trade him or anything...I hope the light has gone on for him and he's as good as we've been hearing about in camp.

    I'm just curious if our F.O. felt like they could address another need or another player if the felt like J.Allen wouldn't stick.
     

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