Ted Ginn doing everything he can to become great

Cuts both ways tho Brother...I also remember a boatload of guys on the Ronnie Brown Channing Crowder "bust" bandwagon...not hearing much about that lately are we ??

 

WTF is this afraid to take a hit crap?

I will say it again, I saw Ginn take more shots last sunday then Reggie Wayne did the day before. I would bet Ginn took more shots on the year too.

If he was afraid to take a hit, he wouldn't even be on the field because he'd never make it through 1 practice.

Get over yourselves people.

 

That's really good to hear about Ginn!

 

I missed that one. I was refering to his huge catch down the middle in the Jets game, and falls to the ground untouched after the catch.. Granted it was a very tough catch though... On kickoffs, he seems to go straight for the sideline instead of looking for small creases.. Look at the difference in returns that was made after Cobbs went in.

 

By definiition, every team has a #1 WR. Ginn's ours. Jericho was yours.

 

such as?

 

Well said.

 

With penningtons type of play, yes without a doubt. Having more is just having more threats, it will only help.

 

Hey, im not a teddy basher.. I'm very satisfied with where he is right now and cant wait for him to explode in his 3rd year like the top notch recievers do... Im just sayin it looks like he avoids contact sometimes.. Noone can deny that.. And if he slipped, then he slipped, I wont deny that either.. I hope he did

 

Id rather have him fall, then take an unecessary hit and get injured for 6 weeks... Contrary to some peoples belief, he is necessary in this offense, regardless of how far chad can throw, and he has proven to be able to throw far this year, defenses have to respect Ted.. Remember his TD catch against Seattle.. Double covered.. His 49 yard catch against the Jets (Both were ALL air-Chads arm).. double covered.. Yeah that

 

at this point in his career, ted ginn is a good reciever. this off season i think he needs to add some bulk, not at the expense of speed or quickness, this can be accomplished with the right training and diet. his attitude, exemplified in the original posters' article, is very good. he seems willing to work to be great, not just good, he said great. that in itself is absolutely critical for the kid cause you can not be truly great at anything without sacrifice, work, and dedication. i hope ted is dedicated to his craft and continues to work thru the offseason and it will show on the field next season, i believe this is the case with this particular individual. i'm a dolphin fan.

 

vernon carey also comes to mind.

And to use a non-dolphins related player Roddy White, huuuuuuge bust his 1st 2 years, he did much much less than what Ginn has done so far and he in his 3rd year exploded and then his 4th year became a top receiver in the league.

Players normally show the most radical improvement in their 3rd season. Reggie Bush was not lving up to his hype his 1st 2 years and then this past season until his injury he was one of the most dynamic players in the league.

 

Ginn ALREADY is a good receiver. there is no reason to expect him to be traded after his 2nd season. Expectations for players have gotten extreme in my opinion, players used to have 3 years before they were labeled a bust or success and now its you either become randy moss your first year or you should be cut. its unrealistic to believe Ginn, a player who was admittedly very raw coming out of ohio state to have Marvin Harrisonesque route running. he has dramatically improved from his first season to the next and that is what you look for in young players.

 

You have to wonder, how much of his lack of success was due to Michael Vick being an ineffective Quarterback. A guy who couldn't get Roddy White the ball. Compare that situation to this one here in Miami. Chad Pennington is a good Quarterback but he's very conservative in his approach to the game and that is hindering Ginn's success down field. If or when Chad Henne steps in, it wouldn't come as a surprise to see Ginn put up a 1,100 yard season with a similar touchdowns statistic to Roddy White (7).

 

I don't think there's much chance that Ginn is gone next year. The fact is that most teams keep a safety over the top b/c he's in there. It's not true double coverage but it does make it easier for the rest of our offense. That impact is something that the coaching staff is aware of. I could see drafting a big wr to fill the role Wilford was brought in for but Ginn is not in danger.

 

i don't have the stats, but i think Vick was a more effective Qb than Harrington no? i do agree Ginn's stats would probably be better with Henne than with Pennington while bess' might be a bit worse due to Henne maybe taking more risks down field than just giving it to the more safe target.

 

Vick often ran and had much less throw attempts than Harrington. They were about the same range though, I would say.

 

just saw the stats. Harrington's rating his one year in atlanta was 77 and Vicks career rating in Atlanata is 75.

 

Yeah, similar. Other than Vick's completion percentage was roughly 9% lower than Harrington in his last year I believe.

 

55 and 61 respectively if i remember. Vick had Much more Tds, i think he avged about twice as many per season.

Regardless i don't think the change in Qbs was the reason behind his improvement from his 2nd to 3rd year.

 

Your correct. I was thinking White had three years under his belt, not four. My mistake.

 

Gotta love Miami fans. Unhappy with a 800 yard receiver in his 2nd year who only plays in half the packages (remember his breakout in Buffalo where he'd make a catch and then go off for 3 plays before coming back and making a catch?).

With Sparano and our WR's coach he will make strides with it being his 3rd year and 2nd under this coaching staff. 56 for 790 and a 14.1 avg is making strides. I doubt anyone here would think it out of his reach to top 1000 yards next year DESPITE this being a team that spreads the ball around like no other.

 

I wish I can double thank your post.

People tend to only look at the stats. Factor in a QB that takes limited shots down field as well, and your post is complete.

And the notion that he avoids contact is beyond me. Granted, he did make some sideline errors and casually avoided contact at some points in the season, but he is young, and still learning. He did however seem more than willing to take shots in the middle of the field to ensure he made the catch.

Not bad for a one route fly receiver eh?

 

Punt Returner.

 

i want ginn to focus on being good first

great can come later

 

Dude, he's good already. 850 yards or so from the line of scrimmage and 4 tds. That's good, not great.

 

thats so-so.

david boston had a lot yards one year with boston.

 

David Boston was a well above average receiver before he got hurt.

 

Funnym, 150 yards separates so-so from great (1,000). Nice.

 

if 1000 yards is great and 850 is so-so, then what is good?
925?

 

Remember thats 850 yards doing what his doubters said he couldnt do, imagine if some of those underthrown balls were accurate he would have 1100 yds then people would be mad he didnt have 1300.

 

I agree, dolpns13 -- this is the one beef I've always had with Ginn. He often seems to conveniently "fall down" or run out of bounds unnecessarily in order to avoid possible contact. He is a "receiver," right? I certainly don't want the guy hurt, but this position requires some level of physical toughness, no???

 

Marvin harrison does the same thing. And in terms of size they are basically the same.

Ginn isn't going to take a Line Backer or hard hitting safety head on if he doesn't need to. I do agree that there were a couple times early in the season that he went out of bounds when he shouldn't have but i haven't seen him do it again in a while.

 

I believe Marvin Harrison has more YAC than any other active receiver in the league. I really can't agree that they do the same thing. If you watch the game replays you'll see that more often than not he either falls down or runs out bounds.

Agreed - I don't want him taking a brutal hit by an LB if he doesn't need to, but he does shy away from contact way more than I would think a No. 1 pick would do. He's paid to RUN with the ball, too...

 

Do you have a link? I bet you it's yards after catch not yards after contact, because Harrison is notorious for avoiding contact. he flops harder than Ginn in the middle.

YAC is easy when you have Peyton Manning hitting you in stride. A lot of Ginn's catches he isn't in stride, if ever (maybe once or twice)