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Ted Wells Report on Incognito / Martin released

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  1. Vinny Fins

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  2. Fin D

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    From the official press release:

     
  3. ckparrothead

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    Jim Turner is going down.
     
  4. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How is Philbin not held ultimately responsible for the behavior of his coaching staff?

    He's the boss, the CEO. If he didn;t know about any of this, why the hell not?
     
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  5. Fin-Omenal

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    I have a feeling if Ted wells investigated 31 other NFL teams he would find a lot of the same stuff

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  6. schmolioot

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    Unfortunately the roulette wheel landed on us.

    Doesn;t excuse the bhaviors just because other people might be doing the same thing
     
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  7. Vinny Fins

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    we are going to get hammered over this, I think. :(
     
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  8. schmolioot

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    Turner and Incognito are facing lifetime suspensions I imagine.

    Given the bountygate sanctions, not unprecedented for Pouncey and Philbin to get a year as well.

    We will be heavily fined. Hopefully we don't lose a pick
     
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  9. Deerless Dice

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    "Dolphins’ Offensive Line Coach Jim Turner was aware of the running “joke” that Player A was gay, and on at least one occasion, he participated in the
    taunting. Around Christmas 2012, Coach Turner gave the offensive linemen gift bags
    that included a variety of stocking stuffers. The gifts included inflatable female dolls for
    all of the offensive linemen except Player A, who received a male “blow-up” doll.
    Martin and another player reported that they were surprised Coach Turner did this;
    Martin further said that he was offended that Turner had endorsed the humiliating
    treatment of Player A by participating in it. Incognito and others agreed that this incident
    with Coach Turner occurred. When interviewed, Turner was asked if he gave Player A a
    male blow-up doll. He replied, “I can’t remember.” We do not believe that Turner
    forgot this incident, which many others recalled. "

    Turner's done
     
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  10. MIASportsFan

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    Exactly. We are the Saints of this season.
     
  11. finyank13

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    Stephen. Ross.
     
  12. finyank13

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    Who is the other lineman they are talking about? that they "harassed"
     
  13. Mile High Fin

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    Silver lining: It's during the slowest part of the offseason...
    Hopefully this is in our rear view mirror come draft-time. With no team sanctions...
     
  14. Ronnie Bass

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    Oh hell yeah, its what today's media does in overreacting and sensationalism.
     
  15. Vinny Fins

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    LBH:

    Turner's gotta go.

    And soon.

    And that was just for being ****ty at his job.
     
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  16. Fin-Omenal

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    Its all media driven and image oriented with the NFL, I've worked in many of work places where a lot of those same terms are thrown around very loosely and I imagine if I would have went to any of my superiors with a complaint like that I would have been given a very strange look.

    I would imagine if Jonathan Martin or whomever else would have had a serious conversation with these people harassing them about how they feel about it that would have went a long way into decreasing it.

    If I were Dolphins coach I would file attempted murder charges over that picture John sent to Richie about killing people who demote him.

    This is all an overblown ridiculous situation, not saying harassment is OK but you have to know how to handle it better.

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  17. Vertical Limit

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    How old is Jim Turner, good lord....
     
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  18. Deerless Dice

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    It might be Samuda, we know he got it pretty good. It's the person in the bath salt & sandpaper condom text we saw last week.
     
  19. Rhody Phins Fan

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    (pg 37)

    (pg 44)

    Hopefully this helps Miami avoid any serious sanctions. The cover up is part of why the Saints were hit so hard during the bounty scandal.
     
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  20. finyank13

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    But in the texts they def hung with Samuda......they talked about a guy in those texts that they wanted Incognito to tell to quit.....
     
  21. finyank13

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    So this saves Turner's job no?
     
  22. Vinny Fins

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    Does Turner get fired today or do they wait for Goodell to sanction him?
     
  23. Vinny Fins

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    Turner actively participated in race related taunting. The report explicitly names him.

    He's very ****ing fired.
     
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  24. Tone_E

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    I'm at work and don't have time to go through the entire document. Can anyone point out the pages that implicate Turner the most?
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    I was about 90% sure I knew who "Player A" was based on Incognito's text history but something in the fine book has me wondering about a different player.
     
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  27. Vertical Limit

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    Lol @ that shooting Jeff Ireland random comment. Shows what the players felt about Ireland.
     
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  28. Tone_E

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    Former offensive lineman, also white, shooting Jeff Ireland. Jake Long?
     
  29. Deerless Dice

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    It looks like player B looks could be Jake Long.
     
  30. Vertical Limit

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    Oh yeah it probably is Jake Long.
     
  31. schmolioot

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    Jim Harbaugh even makes an appearance in the report, sticking up for Martin.

    Oh, if only you were here Jim......
     
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  32. Jimmy James

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    Incognito deserves an indefinite (but not technically lifetime) suspension.

    Jerry and Pouncey probably deserve eh maybe 8 games (and an understanding if they come close to this again they're getting Incognito treatment).

    Turner should get at least a year suspension but it probably won't matter what he gets. Is somebody really going to rehire?

    I'm starting to actually hope Philbin gets a year. I'd think that will make it a whole new ballgame for the question of him staying with the team.
     
  33. jinx

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    Wow. Just wow.
     
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  34. Larry Little

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    We're going to fire a coach and suspend three players because a person with a long history of emotional and mental problems couldn't deal with jokes from his friends? Jokes that he participated in?

    This whole thing is ridiculous.
     
  35. Coral Reefer

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    This is all still utterly ridiculous.
    Surprised any of you are continuing to fall for this Charade.

    To your specific comments, do you think a HC or any coach is going to be aware of all private conversations between his players and how one may not be able to handle them?
    Are they supposed to freak out if they think players are ribbing each other in a fashion that goes on from the lowest of levels of sports to the highest? If they do hear comments which they will in locker room how are they supposed to know that one specific player is not able to handle this out of a locker room full of men participating and laughing in similar daily banter?

    Maybe they should have realized that Martin is socially challenged and "protected him" from the regular interactions between players he was not able to handle but honestly this is a grown man. At what point does he grow up and is able to handle group dynamics on his own?

    The investigator himself in a very very weak way admits that there was no intent to harass Martin at all.
    He had to admit that with all the evidence of Martin joining in with these very people in the "Hardline talk/ribbing" text message, voice message, and whatever other communications they could review. It's clear he didn't want to but he had to thankfully. At the end of the day Martin by all accounts and evidence of his own communications was just fine "being one of the boys" until something changed. Whether that change be Martin's starting position being in jeopardy, mamma Martin's legal opportunism being presented to him, pressure of not making it in the NFL, etc. is all up for debate. At the end of the day this is all still a big charade wreaking of BS.
     
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  36. Vinny Fins

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    Turner, who is in charge of the unit, not only turned a blind eye to it but then PARTICIPATED in it.

    How are you defending this? Seriously?

    Jumping up and down and yelling 'It's FOOOWWBBAWWWL!' isn't a defense. It's also 2014. You can't say some of the flat out ridiculous **** that was said without repercussions.
     
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  37. Deerless Dice

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    I think it's putting it mildly to say it's simply jokes from friends. It's looking like a perfect storm of a band of relentless aholes and a guy who refused to stick up for himself. Both parties are equally at fault here.
     
  38. Fame

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    Jim Turner is hot garbage. He is a complete and utter embarrassment.
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    Are you reading any of this?

    Are you reading about the consistent harassment of an assistant trainer or the gay bashing of a player whose name is being kept anonymous? If you've seen these things and you're still saying sh-t like this...holy cow.

    Jon Martin isn't cut out for the NFL, handled all of this improperly, and is personally responsible for whatever behavior he engaged in that he supposedly disapproved of. But that doesn't detract from Jim Turner's extraordinarily inappropriate actions, his non-cooperation with the investigation, or the reprehensible actions of Pouncey, Jerry and Incognito...especially with respect to the assistant trainer and whoever "Player A" is.
     
  40. Fame

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    I'm not trying to defend Martin because he went about all of this in the worst possible way and deserves a large portion of criticism...but I can definitely imagine it would be tough to "stand up" to guys in his unit, whom he clearly wanted to fit in with, when doing so would probably ostracize him from the group. Some people are not strong enough to stand on their own. Martin appears to be one of those people.
     
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