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Ted Wells Report on Incognito / Martin released

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  1. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can't argue with suspending Pouncey and firing Turner at this point, its obvious this stuff went above and beyond normal hazing and locker room "boys being boys" stuff. I was in the Army and we were all subjected to a lot of ridicule but there was always a line, some of this stuff would have gotten people demoted or removed from a unit if it came out, this stuff is over the line and people are going to get justifiably punished over it. The defense of this stuff by fans is either ignorant or a sign of having some deep problems understanding reality.
     
  2. Alex13

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    what about pouncey, looks like he was also heavily involved in this mess
     
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  3. Rouk

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    LOL incognito is dumber than i thought guy leaks text messages to try to make himself look better knowing he had sent other teammates a text message to destroy evidence like that wouldn't come out wtf
     
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  4. Brasfin

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    "Player A" was Andrew McDonald:

    From the texts that were leaked by Inocgnito:

     
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  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I disagree. I do not think it is above and beyond normal hazing. We already had the Kluwe allegations in Minnesota.

    I honestly think this is average locker room behavior.
     
  6. jinx

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    Joe Philbin was either complicit in this or is simply just deaf, blind and stupid. Either way it's utterly shocking he's going to survive this.
     
  7. Jimmy James

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    If it is, it won't be. The NFL has image problems in certain quarters, and it's time for highly compensated professionals to act in a way that is fan friendly. Being racists and homophobes isn't fan friendly.
     
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  8. Jimmy James

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    It is very clear from this that he has very little to do with the actual coaching of the team from the findings. Why do we have him?
     
  9. Ronnie Bass

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    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 1m
    Report "We do not believe (IPJ) deliberately were trying to goad Martin into taking drastic action, such as leaving the team."
     
  10. Ronnie Bass

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    Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz · 4m
    Incognito's attorney has released report, without names redacted,that show the "young OL" who was harrassed was ex-Fin Andrew McDonald.

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 1m
    Report: "(IPJ) likely expected him, and the others who bore the brunt of their verbal assaults, simply to continue to take it."
     
  11. Jimmy James

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    That's the one saving grace here. This was amazingly inappropriate and wrong, but it wasn't at least toward Martin done with hostile intent. That's why it shouldn't be the harshest penaltes available.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Leave it to Richie "I insist on being a total a--shole" Incognito to go ahead and release a report that outs Andrew McDonald as "Player A".
     
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  13. Vinny Fins

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    Does it also reveal Long as player B?
     
  14. Ronnie Bass

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    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 1m
    Report: "Many players thought (Nate) Garner was treated the worst."

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 2m
    Report: Incognito admitted using n-word to shock Martin, which shows that he was aware he was a crossing a line.

    Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz · 9s
    Incognito molesting a woman with golf club wasn't his only incident at that Fins' charity golf tourney. Wells said Incogn. and teammates...

    Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz · 37s
    .... took a guest's car on a joy-ride on damaged their luggage
     
  15. Ronnie Bass

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    Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz · 1m
    Dolphins fined Incognito $5000 for the joyride, $50,000 for the molestation but decided to keep him on team.
     
  16. Deerless Dice

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    Richie's texts were released last week, which was acknowledged in the Wells Report. I think that onus in the latter for not protecting the identity of Player A in this case. It is fitting that Incognito's frustration with the report not coming out may have actually delayed it further.
     
  17. Deerless Dice

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    This is nuts. He had a one strike rule in his contract. Another reason why Ireland is gone. Page 67 "Many of the player personnel choices at issue here (such as the decisions to sign Incognito and draft Martin) reflect Ireland’s judgments. On January 7, 2014, the Dolphins announced a mutual decision to part ways with Ireland."
     
  18. Ronnie Bass

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    Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz · 1m
    Report also says Incognito filed grievance against the team to protest the $50,000 fine but the matter remains unresolved

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 1m
    Report: "Incognito dictated the culture. We view Jerry and Pouncey primarily as followers of Incognito."
     
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  19. Rocky Raccoon

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    This is why Philbin couldn't get along with Ireland. After the golf course incident Philbin wanted Incognito gone and Ireland said no. Going against what Philbin wants in his players and contributing heavily to this **** storm.
     
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  20. KeyFin

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    Well, it was pretty obvious that the locker room would know who player A and the unnamed assistant are...how many Asian assistants that get harassed daily do you think are inside the organization?

    Ultimately though, I think Pouncey and Jones will get a slap on the wrist BECAUSE the league will make huge examples out of Turner and Ireland. After all, if they had not gone to drastic lengths to cover this up, then there's a chance that Philbin would have ended this far before it got to Martin walking off. I can't see the league coming down that hard on the players though because it says repeatedly that Martin was not singled out...they all talked trash to each other.

    Then again, I'll say it now for the record that this entire report is bull****. Wells didn't need 3 1/2 months to report this; that time was necessary because he was being instructed by the league to shape it for maximum damage control. There's no way you release a report of this caliber directly to the media on day one, without giving the responsible parties a chance at damage control. That's why it said Ritchie and other players were guilty...but not really trying to harass or hurt anyone. In fact, everyone has some type of defense in writing except for Turner and Ireland...because they're meant to take the fall.
     
  21. Ronnie Bass

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    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 1m
    Report: Incognito conceded that he could tell participating in demeaning banter "wasn't Martin's cup of tea"

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 42s
    Report: Incognito believed Martin didn't have creative insults because he had not grown up "talking ****" and was not as witty as IPJ

    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 1m
    Garner actually might have taken a worse emotional beating than Martin, the report says.

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 39s
    In May, Martin texted to a friend "I am unable to socialize with my teammates in their crude manner." He said it so elegantly...

    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 47s
    Incognito: "Since we cut samuda we have been non stop on nate. Even turner is in on it. He looks like he’s about to cry 24/7."

    Deadspin ‏@Deadspin · 35s
    Dolphins offensive line coach was aware of, participated in harassment: http://deadsp.in/rAInkxA

    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 31s
    Garner to Martin: "Hey bro if u need to talk to anyone I’m here for ya. I have been dealing with this **** for 6 years. I hope ur doin ok."
     
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  22. jinx

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    AdamHBeasley: Incognito: "Since we cut samuda we have been non stop on nate. Even turner is in on it. He looks like he’s about to cry 24/7."

    AdamHBeasley: Garner to Martin: "Hey bro if u need to talk to anyone I’m here for ya. I have been dealing with this **** for 6 years. I hope ur doin ok."
     
  23. finyank13

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    Jim Turner gets this from the military...My time in the military was all this type of banter back and forth...if you think for one second the military doesn't participate in this type of crap you are fooling yourselves....
     
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  24. Vinny Fins

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    Nate's a good guy.
     
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  25. MIASportsFan

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    At least Jerry, Incognito are gone.

    New a new O-line coach and Philbin and Ross should sit down with Pouncey and slap some sense into him. Let him know this is his only warning. Clearly Philbin needs to make some changes in his locker room management style.

    This is ridiculous, you are supposed to be professionals. Not high school kids
     
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  26. Ronnie Bass

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    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 43s
    The abuse suffered by the assistant trainer, who is of Japanese descent, is stomach-turning.

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 32s
    Report: Incognito says Martin was close enough w/him to share suicide thoughts. If he thought he was cause, he would've immediately stopped

    The top tweet is disturbing if true.
     
  27. Rouk

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    In the report, investigators say ...one of the offensive lineman was "often was called a 'f*g' or 'f*ggot' and was 'accused of sucking d*ck and pissing while sitting down, asked where's your boyfriend?"

    Investigators also say one of the linemen was once physically restrained by Pouncey -- who told Jerry to "come get some *****."

    "Jerry responded by touching [the player's] buttocks in a way that simulated anal penetration."

    The report says Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turner was aware of the running joke that [one of the linemen] was gay ... and on at least one occasion participated in the taunting.

     
  28. Ronnie Bass

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    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 1m
    Report: Martin claimed there was a "good Richie" -- his friend -- and also a "bad Richie" -- his abuser.

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 19s
    Report: Martin claimed that there is a general code in football against snitching on fellow players and he did his best to honor that rule.
     
  29. Jimmy James

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    So given that why the **** didn't Philbin ride Incognito personally as hard as he could? He should have been his ****ing shadow, not completely ignorant of what was going on (which given the report I accept he was completely unaware of it happening). That's the trouble I have.
     
  30. jinx

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    Kevin O'Neill should be a goner too. He's been here since the Jimmy Johnson days.
     
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  31. Ronnie Bass

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    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 32s
    Report: Turner participated in players being fined if they blamed another player for a missed assignment. He got labeled "Judas."

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 45s
    Report: Turner denied knowing "Judas" term but former Dolphins OL asst coach Chris Mosley said Turner introduced the concept.
     
  32. Ronnie Bass

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    These tweets deserves its own post:


    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 2m
    On the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor, Incognito, Jerry and Pouncey donned traditional Japanese headbands and ...


    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 47s
    ... threatened to harm the assistant trainer physically in retaliation for Pearl Harbor.


    UGH terrible
     
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    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 41s
    Report: We strongly believe that if Martin had reported harassment to a coach of front office exec or even his agent...

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 55s
    ..."team may have addressed it before it was too late."

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 53s
    Report: Clabo was team treasurer who collected fines from kangaroo court (including Martin "***** fine") By Nov. he had collected $35,000
     
  34. MIASportsFan

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    smfh man
     
  35. rdhstlr23

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    I'm just ready to move on from all of them.
     
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  36. TooGoodForDez

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    Tremendous job by Tedd Wells.
     
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  37. Ronnie Bass

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    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 32s
    Report: Martin paid $10k for not going on Vegas trip, the largest fine levied. Incognito said he didn't think Martin would actually pay.
     
  38. Ronnie Bass

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    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 1m
    Wells does a lot right, but he sure doesn't hide who his sources are. The Dolphins only have one asst. trainer of Japanese descent.

    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 1m
    Naohisa Inoue is a native of Japan and went to Fuji University. Anyone with a media guide can find this information easily.

    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 1m
    The malicious physical attack on Martin occurred at Pouncey's house at his Christmas party. Incognito pinned him down, punched him.

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 58s
    Report determines Vegas fine was not intentional harassment and no one expected Martin to pay. That was originally at heart of story.
     
  39. Larryfinfan

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    So, in reality, after all the wait for this report, it doesn't really blame anyone for anything. It really doesn't say anything that we didn't know, save for the behavior towards the Japanese American trainer. We all suspected Turner was involved and he was. We all suspected that Martin's mental makeup was the catalyst of this and it was. We all suspected that RI was the ringleader and was wildly inappropriate....pretty much all the time and he was. Philbin didn't lie when he said that Martin never approached him and he was unaware of some of the things going on in the locker room and he didn't. Traditionally, the locker room is the players domain, not the coaches so it's not too far fetched that Philbin wasn't in on things. There isn't much we didn't know/suspect before the investigation.

    At this point, as was said in the past, there is no 'smoking gun' and now the punishment phase comes about. I can't see how Turner is going to be retained, mainly because he tried to intervene after the investigation started... Pouncey, JJ and Cogs will get their suspensions or whatever and Martin will be released to go wuss out in some other locker room. Cogs won't be retained but likely for other reasons than his part in this fiasco and be allowed to poison some other locker room, so that suspension we won't have to worry about. Pouncey is building up a history here with the league and whatever he gets will affect us negatively since he's the only real OL we have on the roster. JJ escaped the scrutiny this year because Clabo and Martin were so awful, so losing him won't hurt much anyway. And other than Turner, I don't see any coaches being punished... You can say that the buck stops at the HC, but unlike the Saints situation, Payton was involved in the 'cover-up' there and that's why he got suspended...

    The sad thing is that Ross has a habit of 'mulling' things around forever before making a move. He needs to be quick and decisive before the league steps in. Approach the league first and say "this is what we're going to do", but he'll wait to see what the league doles out... In his defense, he may not be able to impose his own punishments, the league may very well take that out of his control, as they did with the Saints...the big difference being that in the Saint's case, multiple coaches were involved...

    On another level of this, it likely changes the locker room settings in every NFL franchise from this time on... Having been a part of college locker rooms, it's a pretty tight knit group. That will change and may not be for the better, but we'll have to see. The things that transpired, even tho they may be part of a lot of locker rooms (all leagues/sports), in this day and age went over the limits of acceptability. Controls will be put in place and that could hurt the 'team building' of some NFL organizations, the main thing that separates the NFL from other sports...

    This was likely bound to happen to some NFL team, unfortunately it's happened to us. On the other hand, if there are some suspensions of players and coaches (up to and including Philbin) then it likely gives Philbin and Hickey another year or two here before Ross has to actually fire someone....

    One last question: If Philbin is suspended, who becomes the HC - pro tem ??
     
  40. Ronnie Bass

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    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 53s
    Hours after Martin left the team, Incognito logged these fines for him: 100 *****, 100 *****, 100 *****, 100 *****, 1,000,000.00 *****

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 47s
    Garner was awarded a $250 bonus for "not cracking first" after Martin left the team. Incognito gave himself a $200 fine for breaking Martin.

    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley · 31s
    Martin saw two sides of Incognito: "Good Richie," who was his friend. "Bad Richie," who took his shirt off and beat him.
     
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