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Ten Years of Second Round Garbage - UPDATED!

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  1. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Guys selected in the Second Round

    2012-Johnathan Martin

    2011-Daniel Thomas

    2010-Koa Misi

    2009-Pat White
    2009-Sean Smith

    2008-Philip Merling
    2008-Chad Henne

    2007-John Beck
    2007-Samson Saetele

    2006-No Pick

    2005-Matt Roth

    2004- No pick

    2003-Eddie Moore
     
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  2. Alex13

    Alex13 Welcome to the NEW Miami Club Member

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    hello
     
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  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Feel better now that you got that off your chest?
     
  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    A couple of those guys are okay.
     
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  5. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Koa, SSmith, Roth, they were not all scrubs BR
     
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  6. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sorry, there was some venting there, inflamed by the cutting of Daniel Thomas.

    Yes, Koa Misi is pretty good. But I would argue that Sean Smith was a bust and Matt "ooh, he's so great at setting the edge" Roth was a bust as well.
     
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  7. seabass0795

    seabass0795 New Member

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    Hopefully Dennis Hickey has broken that streak. I know we are all pumped up about Jarvis JUICE Landry
     
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  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ya Landry's already leagues above most of those picks, from just one pre-season. I think there is plenty people expecting him to be just as good during live fire...at least I think he's shown it.

    Which brings me back to a question I had a while back...what should be expected of a draft pick, by round, for it to be considered a good pick? If you pick a 1st or 2nd rounder that is a reliable career back-up, was that a good pick?

    If you pick a 7th rounder that only makes the PS and never really contributes to the main 53 during the season, was that a bad pick?

    I think we all want every pick to succeed, but that can't be the norm. I wonder what % of 2nd round draft picks become regular starters in the league?
     
  9. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    if pat white wasn't on the list, daniel thomas would be the worst of all the names.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    smith and Roth are backups, scrubs for 2nd round picks..

    What a brutal decade and these guys get paid millions..jeez.
     
  11. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I think the first three rounds should at least generate solid starters. Granted all teams will miss and do, but our second round record over that time has been abysmal.
     
  12. Dolphans Unite!

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    That's really not good. At least about a third of those picks need to become solid starters at worst.
     
  13. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Not even close.
     
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  14. Oghma

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    How can anyone complain about Satele? Dude is still starting for us

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  15. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I think it's time to let those "Fire Ireland" chants to finally fade away. Every GM has some good picks and some bad ones, and you can't judge the bad without also looking at the good. In any case though, Ireland is officially retired and it's a week away from a new football season...I'd much rather talk about how we're going to whip the Pat's asses next Sunday than who we selected in 2003.
     
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  16. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Here's how I would rank them:

    1. Pat White - No commentary necessary.
    2. Daniel Thomas - An argument was made by Footballoutsiders that he was the worst RB in the NFL his rookie year.
    3. Eddie Moore - Did he ever make a play?
    4. Jonathan Martin - No commentary necessary.
    5. John Beck - Was lost out there every time.
    6. Philip Merling - Not terrible, but not good either.
    7. Sean Smith - If not for his dropped INTs he might have been a solid starter.
    8. Matt Roth - HE SETS THE EDGE!
    9. Samson Saetele - He played good. Once.
    10. Chad Henne - He was almost good. Once.
    11. Koa Misi - The tallest midget!
     
  17. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I would have no problem with any of those players...had they been drafted in the fourth round.
     
  18. finfansince72

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    There are always going to be busts or over drafted players but damn to be like 2 for 11 is just sad and obviously a big reason why we haven't sniffed contention in years. I don't expect superstars in the 2nd round but solid starters should be attainable in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with a few studs sprinkled in if you know what you're doing. When you look at lists of our draft picks its sad to say that I think I could have drafted better and I am just a fan that watches a lot of football I certainly have no business picking players for a team but these guys are professional scouts and GMs...I mean **** this is just a sad sad list.
     
  19. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Problem with the complaint about the second round picks is that it's several different regimes...can't blame anyone in particular that would make a difference today....besides, Misi has been a good pick and if you want to look at the positives, Satele was a good enough pick, although I could argue that one... Martin's demise here had nothing to do with his ability as a player, Roth's situation was over money and while I like him as a player, he just didn't fit here and SS was a decent pick although not a star by any stretch. So there are mitigating circumstances as to many of those picks. However, the bottom line is, to me, it's only a ligit complaint if it were the same regime all along, which it sadly has not been...
     
  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Martins talent did not warrant 2nd round consideration..
     
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  21. Alex13

    Alex13 Welcome to the NEW Miami Club Member

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    Sean Smith had a nice 1st year with the Chiefs, he is by no means a bad 2nd round pick
     
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  22. GARDENHEAD

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    J. Martin was a bust before he quit the team.
     
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    What about Eddie Moore and Pat White? I have them 1-2. Daniel Thomas at least made some plays.
     
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  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    How could you argue with any substance that Sean Smith is a bust?

    BTW, Samson Satele was not a bust either. He has been nothing but a regular starter for 7 seasons. Is your definition of a bust, any player who does not make the Pro Bowl?
     
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  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He was overrated while he was here, did decent last year and is now a backup..

    I thought he was a third round pick though, either way I'm glad he's not here..tackled like a girl.
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Sean Smith is a backup???????????? Other than a short stretch early in his second season, Sean Smith has started for Miami and then KC.
     
  27. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sean smith as a bust is a fine argument. You might disagree. The guy was wholly unremarkable and he dropped nearly every ball that hit him in the hands. He was a bust.

    Please explain how wonderful he was. Give me your substantive argument.
     
  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I never said he was wonderful. But any second round pick that's a full time starter for multiple seasons, has lived up to his draft status. He's been overall an above average, though not a great, starting corner.
     
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  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's a backup in KC, lost his gig..

    Got arrested for DUI this offseason as well...
     
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  30. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

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    Golly, that list is so awful our GM's should be ashamed. Misses will happen but I mean one, maybe two, starters out of all those 2's is atrocious. Misi is fine. Smith was ok, nothing great or awful....glad he is gone because like DJ said hes a crappy tackler. Satele is one of the worst C's. Hes starting because there is no one else. Not just here but in a lot of places. Oakland, Indy, Miami...Satele is a journeyman. Wasnt worth a 2 though I wouldnt call him a bust, just not as good as youd like. Ideally hes a reserve interior OL.

    The rest of them are busts who did little to nothing. You would think over a ten year stretch there would have been at least 1 pro bowl caliber type player.
     
  31. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Next year I hope to start a thread "Jarvis Landry: One Year Of Second Round Awesome"
     
  32. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

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    :pray: you are correct.
     
  33. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    How about, "Jamar Taylor and Jarvis Landry: Two Years of 2nd Round Awesome"?
     
  34. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Speaking of Taylor, at times he has looked great and other times pretty average. He is more or less still a rookie experience wise so I'm okay with that. Lets see how he does.
     
  35. jboogie

    jboogie The sky is NOT falling!

    Those picks are terrible, that GM should be fired! Oh.......he was? Ok, then let's move on.

    Remember when our best (only?) UDFA success story was D. Bess?
     
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  36. Tin Indian

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    I know going backwards it was Ireland, then Randy Mueller. Who was before them? I dont remember. Didn't Mueller come in with Saban?
     
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  37. Bpk

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    Wasn't Don Shuler's son, Heath, the GM before Mueller?
     
  38. LBsFinest

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    Just pathetic
     
  39. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Proof that NFL GMs have no clue what they are doing. You can get anyone off the street to match that or produce better.
     
  40. finwin

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    All Sean Smith did was drop interceptions that were right in his hands.
     
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