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The beauty about the pass rush

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, May 10, 2019.

  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    From PFT:
    Miami’s pass rush wasn’t overwhelming with Quinn and Wake and the current makeup of the defense hasn’t led to many predictions of a big jump in productivity. On Thursday, though, defensive coordinator Patrick Graham downplayed the personnel side of things.

    Graham said he was confident the team had enough pieces to build an effective pass rush and stressed the role the coaching staff will play in making sure those pieces are successful.

    “The beauty about the pass rush, and I’ve always said this, is it’s very fluid,” Graham said at a press conference. “Everything is very fluid. As you watch it and you try to get an understanding of it, you can take advantage of it in different ways, different shapes, different forms and different people. It doesn’t always have to be the cookie cutter idea that people have of a 6-foot-5, 250 pound whatever who runs a 4.5. That doesn’t necessarily mean that’s going to automatically guarantee you pass rush success. To me, pass rush success is us game-planning it, the players executing it and us trying our best to affect the quarterback.”
     
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  2. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I agree with that to a certain degree.

    A plan can be flawless but you still need the talent and intelligence to take advantage.

    That said, sacks can be created by confusing an offense which doesnt necessarily require as much on the talent front.

    I'm excited to see how it goes.
     
  3. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think when you looks at the Pats roster the front 4 don't really make you quake in your boots but they were effective.
     
  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I agree....grabbing top talent isn't as important as the actual scheme. That doesn't mean we'll be good this season rushing the QB, but I wouldn't say we can't get a good rush just because Wake is gone.

    Where did Wake go guys? I definitely want to watch that team some this season since I can't help but root for him. Hoping it's a contender!
     
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  5. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    That was our biggest problem last season, we had plenty of good pass rushers on the team, but our rush schemes were not very creative. Very little blitzing, we basically just relied on wake and quinn to win on the edge most every play which is very predictable and can be easily gamplanned for.
     
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  6. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I expect the pass rush to be really ugly (in a bad way) this season. The 31 sacks that the Fins created last year were 4th worst in the league, and only one better than the two teams who were tied for 31st. And now Wake and Quinn are gone without being replaced.

    The year before, we only had 30, but managed to tie for 27th. 33 in 2016 was close to the bottom, 31 in 2015. And Wake generally accounted for about a third of those himself.

    Our leading returning sacker is Jerome Baker with 3.0, and he's not expected to be used in a pass rush role under the new staff. Second leading? Bobby McCain, a small DB who played hurt most of the season! I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by what happens this coming year, but my expectations are rock bottom.

    Since sacks became an official statistic, the fewest that the Miami defense has created in a season is 21 in 1987. I think that they have a shot to "break" that record this year.
     
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  7. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    You could absolutely be correct- I'm just of the mindset that we have a defensive minded head coach that has done well in NE without elite talent like Wake and Quinn. The wide-9 did not do us any favors (sack rate, run stuff rate) so I think it will be tough to go backwards with a new philosophy. That doesn't mean I expect us to be good in either category...I just think we'll be better than we have been (which isn't saying much).

    No matter how you slice it, losing Wake and Quinn is a massive blow to overcome. We honestly asked them to do too much with too little help though- Wake's sack production almost always came from Wake alone flat out making someone look stupid with his rare combo of speed, power and endurance. Technique and scheme can go a very long way towards making average players look like superstars...so fingers crossed!

    Again, you're probably right and it's going to be ugly...but I'm trying to throw a little faith in the new regimen anyway since it's almost not worth watching any other way. I was against all of this and I don't think I can stand an 0-16 season.
     
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  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Until proven otherwise, I just dont trust coaches from new England and assume that most of it is Darth Hoodie. I hope I'm wrong, but for now I dont think the new coaches will make much of a difference.
     
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  9. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    We had Wake and Suh together who were individually formidable pass rushers but we didn’t get formidable production as a team. Which goes to saying that talent without scheme is wasted. On the other hand it don’t matter how great you scheme is if you send out a High Scool JV team.

    I am more confident about our scheme this year than the last one we had. That’s more by default because it’s hard to imagine a scheme that was more predictable than what we ran.
     
  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I feel the same way and I was 100% team Gase. But what can we do? It's root for NY or live with whatever happens with the new leadership.
     
  11. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I dont think that is entirely fair. Every man should be judged on his own merit, it isnt his fault the Patriots were the ones to give him a shot after all.
     
  12. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I live in TN, so it's actually kind of cool. Gives me reason to tune in to a team that has been extremely boring to watch the entire 18 years I have lived here. Oh...minus the McNair years. I will say this...Nashville has a great fanbase! They are the coolest bunch of people up there. Laid back, nice....We went to the game a couple years ago and it was a great experience! Miami won, Lamar Miller scored a TD, I think Landry did too, Reshad got a pick, Jordan Kovacs got a sack, so did Wake. Dan Campbell had me believing!
    Anyway....Back to the topic...I personally am very excited about the defense this year. I think we're going to be pretty good defensively. I don't normally say that, but I really like this coaching staff so far. The importance of drafting "football players" was evident in the draft.
     
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  13. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I'm not specifically anti-Flores. I'm neutral towards him, but not optimistic. I was very much pro Gase when he was hired, but I was dead wrong. I'm very glad that he's gone. It is what it is. The team has flat our failed with the last five head coaching hires. We'll see if number six is any better, but I have no expectations. '

    I am liking what Grier has done this offseason. Hopefully he can continue to make the right moves, and give Flores with as much talent to work with as possible.
     
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  14. Pauly

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    I think another issue about the wide-9 is that it was a mismatch for the offense we were running. The idea behind the wide-9 is that the opposition should be under pressure to score on every possession, which makes them susceptible to the wide-9 pass rush. If you don’t have pressure to score they can just run the ball and use quick passes to move the chains.
    How do you put the opponent under pressure to score on every possession?
    1: Hold onto the ball and chew up the clock on offense.
    2: Get into position to threaten to score at least a FG on every possession.
    Gase’s offense produced a lot of three and outs and a lot of 50+ yard TDS. But it didn’t hold onto the ball. It didn’t score reliably. Our offense just didn’t create any pressure on the opposing offense because they felt they would have multiple opportunities to score and weren’t worried about us scoring on them.
     
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  15. Sceeto

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    You have to look at what Flores ran in NE. That's all we have to go on and he had great success coaching that D. They don't value edge rushers the same as they do DTs. Along with rating near the bottom of the league in run D, I think that is a big reason why they drafted Wilkins. I think they will run more stunts with safety and corner blitzes. Force stuff outside and let the speedy LBs along with the DBs and Ss clean that s--t up. jmo
     
  16. djphinfan

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    Harvard graduate Matt Burke’s philosophy on pressuring the Qb.

    “I don’t believe in blitzing really it’s not the philosophy I believe in”

    So he relied on his front four to win their battles to rush the QBs and the occasional safety or slot blitz.

    What a poor coach he was..
     
  17. muskrat21

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    this is coach speak for we don't have any pass rush, expect to be at the bottom of the league in sacks.
     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    My fear is that the "Patriot Way" won't be as effective without Belichick and Adams being underhanded cheaters. I'm fairly certain that after the SpyGate debacle, Belichick and Adams stopped having assistant coaches be a part of or knowing about their cheating tactics. So because of that, I'm worried our coaches think the things they learned were on the up and up and will work if just implemented properly, not realizing there was a whole other competent kept from them.

    Hopefully, they learned to adapt to their players and that will be enough.
     
  19. hitman8

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    That's why I've always said the wide 9 is a lousy defense to run as your base defense. It should only be used in certain situations like you just mentioned when the other team is under pressure to pass and score.

    Too bad our coaches were too stupid to realize that.
     
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  20. hitman8

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    Between Burke's "I don't believe in blitzing" and Gase's "We don't need guards" I don't know which one is more stupid.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Gase hired Burke, so Gase.
     
  22. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    This...

    First off is the intelligence factor. You have to study your opponents, know their strengths and weaknesses and have the knowledge that YOU have to adapt to exploit those weaknesses.

    And you have to possess the talent to be able to adapt and not be a one sided bull in a china shop pass rusher.
     
  23. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    ross did, gase wanted vic fangio or w/e his name is.
     
  24. texanphinatic

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    Getting to watch similar play out up here in Detroit ... there are pluses and minuses.

    On the plus side, after a slow start, Patricia actually had a fairly talent bereft defense playing really well by the end of the season. On the other hand, his offense badly regressed.

    There were also lots of rumors of player discontent and disconnect, frustration and just lots of weird ****.

    I think Flores has a good shot to handle the media and player relationships and achieve buy-in way better than Patricia. We will see if he can have a similar uplift on D while not losing the O completely.
     

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