The Charles Harris thread...deserved.

DAVIE, Fla. -- On-field evaluations in the NFL can be tricky this time of year. But arguably the most impressive player during organized team activities open to the media thus far has been Miami Dolphins first-round pick Charles Harris.

he's biting as a pup..

Grier said. “For us, his traits of quickness, speed, and explosiveness off the edge, the ability to rush — he also rushes inside.

“I know he is 255 pounds. On third-down, you will see him go inside because he has that explosive first step and quickness. He can be a disruptive player.”

interesting...on the inside..hmmm

Harris is a stud-in-waiting... but he will be victimized early on by savvy OC's and OL coaches who will figure out how to exploit his inexperience and any holes in his game.

For instance, Gase is already thinking about this and mentioned wanting to prepare Chuck for dealing with OL trap plays that exploit his over-aggressiveness.

"djphinfan wrote:

kid has raw talent and seemingly the pro worth ethic to be great...thats usually the recipe for success.

I think you have to add smarts to that list too. Our high round busts on D (Dion Jordan, Jason Allen come to mind in particular) have a lot of guys who had a sack of hammers between their ears.

to beat Brady you have beat Brady

"Bpk wrote:

Harris is a stud-in-waiting... but he will be victimized early on by savvy OC's and OL coaches who will figure out how to exploit his inexperience and any holes in his game.

For instance, Gase is already thinking about this and mentioned wanting to prepare Chuck for dealing with OL trap plays that exploit his over-aggressiveness.

imo, this is what you see on tape...sometimes he looked like a basketball player on the field.

also folks talk about his lethal spin move, and it does have potential, but he needs to learn more moves otherwise it will be ineffective.so many times he was throwing it at tackles just because, with no effectiveness..and sometimes he had a singular mindset, which means he wasn't concerned with the ball, just beating the tackle..

my hope is now that we know he is a beast above the shoulders, the athlete will adapt and mimic athletic movements that he's being taught.

"dirtylandry wrote:

to beat Brady you have beat Brady

it seems their whole offense has been schemed to defy pressure and get the ball out asap..hence all the crossing and rub routes...

actually I'm not sure what the best way is to beat brady, I've brought it up several times, but I never find a conviction..

im not sure if its just great mirroring cover corners like a teez tabor, or a great pass rushing duo like you allude to, or its to develop a ball control offense of all ball control offenses and just keep the dude off the field.

If Ryan tannehill corrects his biggest weakness this year, we have the potential to have a very good ball control offense..to be an elite one our line we need to be better but I think we can be very good.

''The Dolphins identified Charles Harris as their guy a month ago — in March.

That, by the way, is really, really early in the draft process, particularly when a team is picking in the last third of the NFL Draft’s first round.

And yet, Harris was the Dolphins’ guy. They met him once at the NFL Scouting Combine in March and that, plus the tape of him chasing quarterbacks and running backs and making 12 tackles for loss and collecting nine sacks as a junior, sold them on their first-round selection Thursday.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article147311299.html#storylink=cpy

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"dirtylandry wrote:

to beat Brady you have beat Brady

I've said it before, but to beat Brady you need to beat the Pats o-line.

"djphinfan wrote:

it seems their whole offense has been schemed to defy pressure and get the ball out asap..hence all the crossing and rub routes...

actually I'm not sure what the best way is to beat brady, I've brought it up several times, but I never find a conviction..

im not sure if its just great mirroring cover corners like a teez tabor, or a great pass rushing duo like you allude to, or its to develop a ball control offense of all ball control offenses and just keep the dude off the field.

If Ryan tannehill corrects his biggest weakness this year, we have the potential to have a very good ball control offense..to be an elite one our line we need to be better but I think we can be very good.

IMO, beating their o-line without the blitz beats Brady every time. In fact, you don't even have to get to him too much as long as you're in his face. Once he feels consistent pressure he wilts.

"danmarino wrote:

IMO, beating their o-line without the blitz beats Brady every time. In fact, you don't even have to get to him too much as long as you're in his face. Once he feels consistent pressure he wilts.

Not sure I would go that far, but like most QB's he doesn't like having a dirty pocket.

The Pats offense is all about timing and guys being at a spot when they are supposed to be. If you can disrupt that timing then you have a chance at beating them and forcing Brady off his game some. Sacks and Knockdowns are icing on the cake.

"danmarino wrote:

IMO, beating their o-line without the blitz beats Brady every time. In fact, you don't even have to get to him too much as long as you're in his face. Once he feels consistent pressure he wilts.

He may get disctracted but Then he adapts...see biggest comeback in super bowl history Dano..thats why its a tough philosophy to figure out..the falcons got great pressure on him in the first half..he was throwing some inaccurate balls..but then he came out and cut them real nice..so once again I'm left wondering what the best way to go about this..to me the most logical is to build a ground control efficient offense that eats clock....or maybe to acquire excellent cover corners...pressure can be mitigated

"Tin Indian wrote:

Not sure I would go that far, but like most QB's he doesn't like having a dirty pocket.

Brady isn't used to it so he tends to wilt much harder. He starts yelling at OL, waving for flags etc. It's like a full on meltdown. It's fun to watch.

The Dolphins make that bitch Marsha cry!!! That's how you beat that azz! Ask him if he has nightmares about Wake and Suh, he'll say no, but his eyes will show you his fear!

Unfortunately the pasties seem to have discovered running the ball. Best way to beat Brady is like any other great QB and offense. Keep the ball out of his equipment guys hands so he can't cheat.

I mean keep his Offense on the bench.

"djphinfan wrote:

He may get disctracted but Then he adapts...see biggest comeback in super bowl history Dano..thats why its a tough philosophy to figure out..the falcons got great pressure on him in the first half..he was throwing some inaccurate balls..but then he came out and cut them real nice..so once again I'm left wondering what the best way to go about this..to me the most logical is to build a ground control efficient offense that eats clock....or maybe to acquire excellent cover corners...pressure can be mitigated

He didn't adapt. The Falcons ran out of steam and then the playing calling at the end for the Falcons cost them that game.

"Tin Indian wrote:

Not sure I would go that far, but like most QB's he doesn't like having a dirty pocket.

The Pats offense is all about timing and guys being at a spot when they are supposed to be. If you can disrupt that timing then you have a chance at beating them and forcing Brady off his game some. Sacks and Knockdowns are icing on the cake.

Don't forget the fact that the WR's and Brady know where the coverage won't be because they know the defensive play before hand.

"danmarino wrote:

He didn't adapt. The Falcons ran out of steam and then the playing calling at the end for the Falcons cost them that game.

The falcons ran out of steam?..whos fault is that....that means brady kept coming and they ran out of steam..means you better have a plan b.

"djphinfan wrote:

The falcons ran out of steam?..whos fault is that....that mean brady kept coming and they ran out of steam..means you better have a plan b.

It means that Brady didn't adapt, the defense just couldn't keep up the effort they initially had.

One description credits Brady with doing something, one is accurate and says that the defense ran out of gas.

"djphinfan wrote:

The falcons ran out of steam?..whos fault is that....that mean brady kept coming and they ran out of steam..means you better have a plan b.

The Pats weren't doing anything. The defense ran out of steam and the Pats came back. The Falcons still would have won if they had ran the ball 3 times and kicked a FG.

"djphinfan wrote:

The falcons ran out of steam?..whos fault is that....that mean brady kept coming and they ran out of steam..means you better have a plan b.

The Patriots last two super bowl "wins" should not have been. Carroll should have handed the ball off to Lynch and the Seahawks win that one... Falcons should have handed the ball off to Freeman, and the Falcons win. Last two were GIFTS. CHOKE JOBS.

"resnor wrote:

It means that Brady didn't adapt, the defense just couldn't keep up the effort they initially had.

One description credits Brady with doing something, one is accurate and says that the defense ran out of gas.

what? so your counting on your team to have more gas?...

their gameplan didn't change Brady just figured that sh## out...brady linked and dunked them...to their death..

"danmarino wrote:

The Pats weren't doing anything. The defense ran out of steam and the Pats came back. The Falcons still would have won if they had ran the ball 3 times and kicked a FG.

again with the steam dano..so your saying that it was the nfc champions fault that they didn't have enough steam?

I guess they just have to be more conditioned to face Brady otherwise he will cut you up real nice right?

A Brady discussion in a Harris thread. WTH.

The Falcons were killing the Pats in the first half. They were clogging the middle up dropping a LB back there. The ATL defense did get gassed (leave it to BB to know to keep running the ball down 100 points). The Patriots also adjusted. In the 2nd half they were attacking the outside since the Falcons were dead set on clogging the middle. You started hearing Mitchell's name, Hogan, and Amendola on outside passes.

"djphinfan wrote:

again with the steam dano..so your saying that it was the nfc champions fault that they didn't have enough steam?

I guess they just have to be more conditioned to face Brady otherwise he will cut you up real nice right?

No. I think the Falcons could have planned better. Just like they should have planned their drive where they were about to go up by 2 scores and thus won the game better.

Look, I'm not saying that the Pats didn't have the guts and wherewithal to come back from such a large deficit. I do, however, think that they got lucky in regards to the Falcons coaching errors. I know that's a part of the game, but I think the Pats are getting too much credit for not only this last Super Bowl, but the one before too. I mean, look at the Pats two losses against the Giants. A lot of people (including some here) will claim that the Giants got lucky and they do not give them the credit they deserve. However, the Giants made great plays and won. The Pats won their last 2 Super Bowls mainly because of the other team's play calling at the end of the game. The Pats won their first 3 due to cheating.

Fuck the cheaters. I give them no benefit of the doubt. lol