The Difference

"pmj wrote:

The panthers used two timeouts there...

I don't know the exact sequence but I believe the Phins called 1-2 passes that were not made, the one that was overturned and I think there may have been a penalty in there that stopped the clock. That would mean 5 plays that the Panthers would not have had a time out to stop, assuming the 2 minute timeout. At best the Panther should have had the ball at around 2:15.

"brandon27 wrote:

On topic... I think its hard to blame Tannehill in any way... did he leave plays on the field... oh god yes.. but if it's not for him, we have no offense whatsoever. He's doing all that he's doing even with us being a one dimensional offense. We have no running game, and most of the time we have no pass blocking either. It's a damn miracle he's not hurt, its a damn miracle we're even in any ballgame without a running game. It is however possible that we're even remotely in these games, because of Ryan

doesn't matter. tannehills fault.

One thing I hear lately regarding Tannehill is the mix-up between performance and production. Is his performance good enough to win? He put the ball in Matthews hands for a TD and Wallace turned himself around yet the ball was in his hands for the game winning TD. So yes, his performance is good enough to win.

Is his production good enough to win? No. These play have to be converted into catches and then TDs. But the fact remains that the balls were there for his players to make plays.

Right now, Tannehill is not good enough to overcome our deficiencies in our running game and up front. We need to step back and look at how our lack of a running game is crippling our offence.

Instead of looking to cast aside our clearly NFL-caliber second year QB, why don't we replace our clearly inept/expansion caliber linemen and possibly RBs and then see where we are at?

"CitizenSnips wrote:

doesn't matter. tannehills fault.

It is his fault , he wasn't perfect , tomorrow he will be ...

"dolfan22 wrote:

It is his fault , he wasn't perfect , tomorrow he will be ...

This epitomizes the attitude of mose RT detractors,..."he isn't perfect". Yeah....maybe if he was 35/35 550 yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, no loss of possession....maybe, just maybe he would be an "above average QB". We might give him a chance after that.

lol. Because we are a team that is perfect in so many other aspects from GM to coaching to Offensive Line to fanbase that we really need and deserve perfection that even Dan and the '72 boys couldn't live up to.

Give. Me. A. Break.

of that Kit Kat bar you are smoking.

"Bpk wrote:

Dude… this offense struggles to put up points.. and yes, eventually the defense folds.

But seriously, if I had to say which was the BIGGER problem? Offense.

If we had even a single second half touchdown we don't lose that game.

But you don't think the O is the problem.

but we don't struggle to move the ball, only score in the redzone. To me, I point the finger at the inability to run the ball. To be a good redzone team, and get TD's instead of FGs, you need your Oline to be able to take control in the shorter field. When we had a healthier Oline, at least we had some success at doing that.

We have a Florida kicker, need I say more?

Yes he is better than Ryan. Did you see the throws Cam made down field? Those were "wow" throws. The difference is huge. One is a noodle arm and the other throws like Marino. He is technically better.
But more than that, he is more in charge of his throws and the offense and the decisions to throw.

It's laughable people want to give on Tannehill. Absolutely laughable. The fact this dude has a respectable passer rating behind this offensive line and zero running game is a major plus for him.

I think his personal weakness is trying to become a leader..I think he thinks he's not a natural one, I think it's difficult for him to hold everyone accountable, I see him struggle with being outspoken..I think he's learning how to become one..he's tough, and if he starts taking matters into his own hands and starts making some plays on his own, his confidence will rise, and maybe this offseason he can let everyone know he's taking his game to another level preparation wise, and if their not doing the same, then he should get in some ass..

he also has below average skill players overall with no yac ability, and a conservative staff that has cut off his balls all season..so we can play the blame game til the cows come home on this franchise, but bottom line, it's time for him to make plays on his own and stop thinking he's a distributor, he doesn't have the players on offense to play that sort of game, ditto for protection..

It's time to just let this dude free and see what we have..

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

Yes he is better than Ryan. Did you see the throws Cam made down field? Those were "wow" throws. The difference is huge. One is a noodle arm and the other throws like Marino. He is technically better.
But more than that, he is more in charge of his throws and the offense and the decisions to throw.

Lol what throws did newton throw downfield..he posted another qbr rating in the fifties in two of his last three..

The dude was off from the pocket all day, scared even at times, just terrible mechanics...he's a running Qb who can pass a little, who's really good at scrambling, if you want to build around that ok, I think it can be done, but I think you have to completely embrace it.

Two throws in the first half..the first, the wheeler deflection when they were near their own goalline, he telegraphed the pass so much that not inky did wheeler get the bead in it, if it wasn't deselected you had an easy pick 6, 2nd pass after that on the next drive, he telegraphs where he's going so much our corner seems him in coverage breaks off his responsibility and picks it off..

We couldn't contain his running ability and he beat our defense with it.

"NyPhinfan wrote:

Totally agree.. Also agree that the defense can't let them get that Fg before the half. The defense can't let them take the opening drive of the 2nd half and eat up 7 minutes and ram it down our throats. Can't let them take the final drive and score the game winning TD. Total team collapse

The defense didn't collapse. They're forced to seal every damn game because the offense can't put away the opposing team. Tampa Bay, San Diego, Cincy, Buffalo are all great examples. Sometimes they get the job done, sometimes they don't, this isn't a perfect defense but it typically performs well enough to win.

And I'm not putting this all on Tanny. The lack of a running game mixed with a ****ty o-line and playcalling are just as much as fault, hell probably even more. This game today has been played countless times for the past 5-6 years at least.

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

but we don't struggle to move the ball, only score in the redzone. To me, I point the finger at the inability to run the ball. To be a good redzone team, and get TD's instead of FGs, you need your Oline to be able to take control in the shorter field. When we had a healthier Oline, at least we had some success at doing that.

It's blowing my mind that Egnew didn't see the field last year because of his blocking and now all he does is block.

the fact of the matter is tannehill did everything people were hammering him for not doing. he hit wallace on 2 huge pass plays, including a touchdown. he used his feet to make some big plays and people are still hammering him for the loss.

he has 0 running game, a **** oline with a bunch of back ups, matthews drops a touchdown/bs blown call, sturgis missed a field goal, and wallace misses a game winning touchdown pass at the end. not to mention some brilliant defense of scheming allowing a team with 0 time outs on their own side of the field with 8 seconds to go get a free 3 points.
all of this against the team whose defense only gives up 13 points a game, is 5th against the pass and 3rd against the rush, yet this is somehow tannehills fault?

"bran wrote:

the fact of the matter is tannehill did everything people were hammering him for not doing. he hit wallace on 2 huge pass plays, including a touchdown. he used his feet to make some big plays and people are still hammering him for the loss.

he has 0 running game, a **** oline with a bunch of back ups, matthews drops a touchdown/bs blown call, sturgis missed a field goal, and wallace misses a game winning touchdown pass at the end. not to mention some brilliant defense of scheming allowing a team with 0 time outs on their own side of the field with 8 seconds to go get a free 3 points.
all of this against the team whose defense only gives up 13 points a game, is 5th against the pass and 3rd against the rush, yet this is somehow tannehills fault?

Funny thing is Tannehilll would have probably had 4 TD's and over 400 yards against them....:angry:

"Tannehill wrote:

This epitomizes the attitude of mose RT detractors,..."he isn't perfect". Yeah....maybe if he was 35/35 550 yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, no loss of possession....maybe, just maybe he would be an "above average QB". We might give him a chance after that.lol. Because we are a team that is perfect in so many other aspects from GM to coaching to Offensive Line to fanbase that we really need and deserve perfection that even Dan and the '72 boys couldn't live up to.Give. Me. A. Break.of that Kit Kat bar you are smoking.

Who is saying he has to be perfect? Plus these hypothetical numbers people put up for Tannehill to be off the hook crack me up, hahaha. "If he threw 6 TD in a QTR with his his left foot and pissed superbowl rings, people still wouldn't be happy." If he just put up numbers like Phillip Rivers, don't you think the fanbase would be happy? Like there is no need to go to the extreme, "does he have to be the Messiah for his detractors to lay off him." I'm not his detractor but I won't worship him just because he's a 1st round pick, this year is a pass for him for me, under a new GM i'd like to see what he does with a possible new offensive philosophy.

"Bpk wrote:

Dude… this offense struggles to put up points.. and yes, eventually the defense folds.

But seriously, if I had to say which was the BIGGER problem? Offense.

If we had even a single second half touchdown we don't lose that game.

But you don't think the O is the problem.

Aspects of this Offense are a huge problem.

The OL is a problem, everyone knew it was going to be a problem. NOTHING was done to fix it.

We have no running game.

Tannehill makes mistakes from time to time, but putting it all on him is ****ing stupid.

"phintasmic wrote:

had nothing to do with the defense giving up 2 loooong drives, including a 95 yarder with the game on the line.

but let's blame the QB

how do you come up with this nonsense? First of all, Carlina's last drive was 80 yards , not 95. Secondly, the defense should NOT have been put in the position to hold off Carolina one last time if Tannehill and the offense weren't so inept at converting all those possessions in Carolina's territory. For cryin' out loud, HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES does a defense have to provide its offense to put a game away?!!!!

Here, let me spell it out for you. Hopefully you have the capacity to understand it.

Excluding Carolina's first 2 drives that started in Miami territory, the Panthers offense moved the ball beyond their 31 yard line just twice ! Let me rephrase it--- 8 of 10 Carolina drives saw Miami's defense stopping them from crossing their own goddam 31 yard line!!!!!!!!! That's an offense that had scored 30+ points in 4 of their last 6 games.
Miami's D repeatedly stopping Carolina deeper in their own territory provided Tannehill with 4 short field drives starting at the 50 or better. What was the result of those great opportunities? 3 goddam points!!!!
All total, Tannehill & Co saw 7 drives in Carolina territory. Result? 0 TDs. ZERO!!!
Through 6 of Carolina's first 7 drives, Miami's D forced 4 three & outs, an INT, and 1 four & out.
With a 13-3 lead near halftime, Miami's D picked off Newton and gave Tannehill & Co the ball on Carolina's 11, but they couldn't convert the damn TD.
3rd Down conversions: Tannehill completed a pitiful 1/7 from 3rd & manageable 6 or less.

The defense set the game up to be BLOWN OPEN before halftime but Tannehill & Co left gobs of points on the field and allowed the Panthers to stay in it and scrap their way back.

"phinsational wrote:

how do you come up with this nonsense? First of all, Carlina's last drive was 80 yards and aided by a BS 15 yard penalty. Secondly, the defense should NOT have been put in the position to hold off Carolina one last time if Tannehill and the offense weren't so inept at converting all those possessions in Carolina's territory. For cryin' out loud, HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES does a defense have to provide its offense to put a game away?

Here, let me spell it out for you. Hopefully you have the capacity to understand it.

• Excluding Carolina's first 2 drives that started in Miami territory, the Panthers offense moved the ball beyond their 31 yard line just twice ! Let me rephrase it--- 8 of 10 Carolina drives saw Miami's defense stopping them from crossing their own goddam 31 yard line!!!!!!!!! That's an offense that had scored 30+ points in 4 of their last 6 games.
  Miami's D repeatedly stopping Carolina deeper in their own territory provided Tannehill with 4 short field drives starting at the 50 or better. What was the result of these great opportunities? 3 goddam points!!!!
  All total, Tannehill & Co saw 7 drives in Carolina territory. Result? 0 TDs. ZERO!!!
  Through 6 of Carolina's first 7 drives, Miami's D forced 4 three & outs, an INT, and 1 four & out.
  With a 13-3 lead near halftime, Miami's D picked off Newton and gave Tannehill & Co the ball on Carolina's 11 Carolina, but they couldn't convert the damn TD.
  3rd Down conversions: Tannehill completed a pitiful 1/7 from 3rd & 6 or less.

The defense set the game up to be BLOWN OPEN before halftime but Tannehill & Co allowed the Panthers to stay in it and scrap their way back.

against a defense that is in the top 5 in passing and rushing, a defense that made the dolphins one dimensional the whole game. against a defense that allows 13 points. the dolphins put up 16 even with a dropped touchdown(or blown call) and a missed field goal.

"bran wrote:

against a defense that is in the top 5 in passing and rushing, a defense that made the dolphins one dimensional the whole game. against a defense that allows 13 points. the dolphins put up 16 even with a dropped touchdown(or blown call) and a missed field goal.

What's that have to do with Tannehill & Co not taking advantage of opportunities provided them and leaving points on the board?! What's your excuse for Buffalo scoring 24 points? I didn't see Buffalo's offense stop playing once they hit the 13 point mark and say to themselves, "Well, we've reached our limit boys, let's pack it in". Get real, man. The opportunities were there, and what Carolina did in prior games has nothing to do with Miami not capitalizing on opportunities. BTW, Miami put up 16 b/c the DEFENSE handed them 3.

To me, Tannehill's weakness continues to be the brain farts. He does something smart and then he follows up with something dumb.

We're not going to sit here and talk about him having a bad deep ball on a day he completed 2 of 4 for 110 yards with a TD on super-deep (41+ yard beyond LOS) pass attempts. Not when the league average completion is 20 to 30% of those plays. We're not going to sit here and talk about his lack of clutch plays when he calmly led us down the field in less than a minute to tie the Cincy game to go to overtime, or when he made that 4th & 20 clutch throw against the Ravens, or when he somehow manages to put the ball right in Wallace's hands with a 63-yard impossible throw in an impossible situation.

I think what just ends up happening is the dude has lapses in concentration that wipe out some good things he does. But right now, he's not being helped very much. Rishard Matthews doesn't catch that strike in the end zone. There's no ground game to speak of. The pass protection is crap. Still. The coaches keep desynchronizing the route and backfield timing to where he and Wallace have to overcome the coaches' shortcomings in order to complete a deep throw. This is not helping.

The defense played well enough to win..offense has a lack of talent at the skill and oline positions, making it difficult to finish drives, offensive coaches playing conservative football and Tannehill not able to make enough plays on his own to overcome all their weaknesses.

Don't forget that the defense AGAIN couldn't stop the run in the 4th quarter.

That's been happening all year. Almost every game.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Don't forget that the defense AGAIN couldn't stop the run in the 4th quarter.

That's been happening all year. Almost every game.

had to be that fat **** tolbert at the end no less

"ckparrothead wrote:

Don't forget that the defense AGAIN couldn't stop the run in the 4th quarter.

That's been happening all year. Almost every game.

The sad thing is if Miami's offense could put a friggin' game away amidst all those trips into Carolina territory, Carolina wouldn't have been running in the 4th quarter. Wake & Co would've been teeing off in obvious passing situations.