The Florida Marlins 2011 Thread-Undefeated vs Braves.

When it’s said that both parties have agreed on the amount to be paid but dispute only the length of the deal, then no, it’s not poor inference to take away from that the idea that Uggla would have taken $48 million for 5 years.

 

Hold on. Now I have to rehash the entire history of the negotiations for you?

 

I had heard/read numerous reports that Uggla wanted 5/71. I can't see how Uggla would want 5/48 instead of 4/48. That just makes no sense at all. He would be taking less money that way and I'd be willing to bet the Marlins would have signed him for that 5/48 because they'd basically be getting him for free for a year, plus he would be easier to trade that way since his salary per year would be lower.

 

Talks stalled over the amount of years, not the amount of money.

 

He turned down 4/48 for 5/71.

 

Just think about it for a minute. Why would Uggla reject a 4/48 but say yes to 5/48? He'd be taking less money that way. It doesn't make any sense. And if that's true why wouldn't FL agree to that deal? They'd be paying him less money that way.

 

Hahahaha your kidding right?!?

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/16/1929185/florida-marlins-trade-dan-uggla.html

 

I just wish he had gone somewhere else.

 

So the Braves have paid him $71 million? Good for Uggla.

I realize this, but I’m just going on what I’ve read. As for the Marlins, “no old guys” is the rule. Old meaning anyone over 28, apparently.

 

No, the Braves did not pay him 71 million over 5 years. No one will. That was his demand.

 

According to Mainge, Uggla wanted $55 million.

So before you guys keep arguing with me over whether or not the dispute was over the length of the contract, get your stories straight as to how much money Uggla asked for.

 

What's the attitude for? And at least Mainge had it right and said it was about the money, instead of saying false information and saying it was about the length.

At first, it was 55, or at least it was reported that way. But today it was confirmed that Uggla wanted 71 over 5 years.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/florida_marlins/index.html

 

Not to pile on to an already bad day but I did a little reading on the Uggla trade this morning, All Star Omar Infante is a free agent at the end of this year and looking at Mike Dunn's numbers he has a little bit of a problem with control and throwing strikes (8.6 BB/9 in the majors, 4.1 in the minors) and scouts believe with the way his FB and slider run into RHH he will probably end up as a strictly LOOGY. So the Marlins basically gave up their 2nd most valueble player position wise for a career ULT bench player who's gone at the end of the year and a LOOGY who can't throw strikes. While I think Florida has a very good front office I have to seriously question how the hell they made this deal.

Also John Buck's contract is 3/18 million and he was worth less than a single win above replacement in 2008 and 2009 combined! 16 of his 20 HRs came at parks favorable to hitters and he's apparently a below average thrower and receiver. Ouch.

 

Should have traded Uggla for 5 14-year old prospects when he still had trade value...

 

Infante’s deal expires, clearing up money that can be pocketed going into 2012. That’s what made him appealing to the front office. Optimistically, we’d hope that the saved money would go into contracts for Stanton, Morrison, etc. Realistically? Samson is going to renew his Heat courtside season tickets.

As for Dunn, no idea. We needed bullpen help, not generic and ineffective warm bodies. Maybe they think St. Clair can coach him up, but that would be a first for this squad.

Desperation move.

 

Wouldn't it make more sense to trade Uggla for some prospects then? I mean Infante is gone after the season anyway and most likely will go back to stinking on the bench. That way even if the prospect(s) end up being just as good as Infante they can control that player(s) up to 6 years if they please. Having that player(s) at the MLB minimum salary certainly wouldn't stop them from extended Stanton, LoMo, others etc. I just makes less sense now than it did last night. Certainly they could have gotten a better offfer. Heck even the Blue Jays offer was better because that had contract control on those players, which is very appealing to small market teams.

I just feel badly for Marlin fans. This is crap.

 

You have to wonder if the Marlins aren’t pulling a Dan Henning here and outthinking themselves. “Uggla’s going to decline soon, so let’s send him to a division rival and watch him implode!” Something along those lines.

Our sphincters have slowly gotten used to the chain rape initiated by Bud Selig.

 

nolasco and LOMO for Justin Upton? no link, saw it on twitter. its being discussed aparently. id do it in a heart beat.

 

That trade would be the complete opposite of the Uggla deal.

 

I don't know, it wouldn't make any sense if that were the case. Especially since he's only signed for 1 season with the Braves and the Marlins tried to lock him up for 4.

While I'd say there's no chance of that happening, I didn't think Uggla would be that cheap either. I just can't see Arizona wanting Nolasco. LoMo, absolutely, but they would probably want a bunch of young propsects instead of Nolasco.

 

Let me know when he cleans up his control. Then the stats will mean something to me.

 

I agree that I'm sure the Marlins weren't declining big prospects for the Braves package but why the urge to move Uggla so quickly? It just seems like once he rejected the offer the Marlins were hell bent on dealing him for whatever asap. Why not wait a little bit and try to see if they could get a better deal. I'm sure the Braves deal wouldn't have been a take it or leave it so the Marlins could have always gone back to it. I don't know it just seems like they rushed this deal.

 

Mike Dunn is legit. As noted, his only issue is control. His K rate is excellent and could be a great late-inning LOOGY or potential setup guy if he works out his control problems.

Not saying the Marlins got great value in this trade, but I've seen enough of Dunn to know he's a nice lefty arm.

 

What? The Blue Jays offer was horrible. This was the best deal we could get, plain and simple. At the end of the day, we're a better team, and that's all that matters.

 

Thank you. I seriously don't understand how the FO is to blame for any of this when 1) Dan Uggla rejected the best offer he will ever get and 2) This was the best package we could get for Uggla. The trade wasn't great, but you don't pin that on the FO. You blame it on Uggla, and his bad trade value because of his ridiculous contract demand, age, and defense.

 

Btw, get Justin Upton!

 

For a small market team getting 3 players for a combined total of 18 years of control it isn't horrible, especially when you consider Infante is nothing special and is gone at the end of the year and Dunn has control issues and most feel he will end up being a LOOGY are things you need to factor in. But that's neither here nor there I guess.

And I disgaree with the Marlins being a better team that they got rid of Uggla and added Infante (who stinks and has been a career bench player) and Dunn.

 

Justin Upton and Mike Stanton in the outfield.

Let that soak in a bit.

 

Let’s hope. That would be huge.

 

Is giving up Morrison or Dominguez worth Upton?