Ive heard nothing, and I mean nothing, from media, expert's, supposed experts in the media, coaches, owners, fans, players, that have given one answer to the problem..not one..All I hear is confusion, and a loss of words when posed the question...By everyone. here's mine...Make necessary improvements to the structure of the stadium, and the home woes will be solved.... I mean if folk's can't find answer's to the reason why we suck at home, then maybe folks should start listening to my home theory...I know I know, its so ridiculous.. Then please, either give me a logical answer as to why?, considering we are beasts on the road.. Cant be coaching if your 6 and 1 on the road right?. How bout this, cant muster up the emotion and intensity at home to match the opponent...then ask yourself, why can't they muster up the emotion and intensity at home..Then ask yourself, why do you think there is a thought process of moving the stands closer to the field? I hope for all our sake, that someone besides myself higher up, gets it..cause it's real. 1 and 7 at home, relative to how we play on the road, demands an answer?.. go ahead call me crazy?..I don't give a crap, cause you got nothin....lol. Happy new year by the way...
Happy New Year DJ. I'll leave the conspiracy theories alone for now. I'll give Sparano credit for one thing going from '09 to '10. We had started 0-2 and 0-3 in his first two years and he managed to get the team so focused they came out and started 2-0; very business-like and on the road (of course...). Impressed me. I'd imagine if he's retained, we'll get something backwards next year - a good home record and a poor road record. I will say that I made my first ever trek down to Miami this year for the Jets game to kickoff the season. I've gotta say as someone who has been to Reliant in Houston, Paul Brown here in Cincinnati, the renovated Lambeau and Solider fields...Sun Life Stadium is an absolute dump. The fancy crowds, orange carpet, big scoreboards, etc. are all just aesthetic, the place is a dump. Not conducive to a homefield advantage, though I do like the renderings they made for potential renovations.
Happy New Year The stadium has nothing to do with why we were 1-7 at home. Could we seriously make an argument that in December we would lose back to back to back games at home to Detriot, Buffalo and Cleveland because we have a sh*t stadium. No it's because our offense has QB issues. Like everything Wayne Huzinga touches....he seems to sell at the right time. Look at Blockbuster....sold it for a billion dollars, then it collapsed into bankruptcy 4 short years later. We need to send a message to Mr Ross. Like our team, we will not accept crap and stay away until he fixes it. But, then again he will probably just threaten to move the team across the country and the tax payers will end up footing the bill for a new stadium.
Could a stadium really have that much of an affect? I've never been there so it's hard for me to say. I went to the season opener vs. Atlanta at the Georgia Dome last year and it seemed like we were fairly close to the action, even from the upper deck.
so in your opinion, the unprescedented discrepency is strictly coincidence.?..cause we had the same QB on the road. How much proof is it gonna take for you to see that there is a problem with how our players intensity and emotion is affected...? which are factors in wins and losses.
If it takes a new stadium and a bunch of people screaming to get up and win a ball game, then the players are pathetic. The coaches are right there with them because they can't fix it. Although I will agree that the stadium is a joke. I point at the players and coaches for the 1-7 record.
It is also the QB's job to be a leader and play with attitude. personally I think our offensive players have very little confidence in Henne with translates into crap on the field. We might not have had the best offenses/players when Danny was playing but we were competitive and could win at anytime because Danny demanded excellence. You played half a$$ed and you wouldn't be there for long. Nah......we play for the sake of playing that's all. There is no leader on this offense and for that reason it is dead. Next time you get a chance to take a look a Baltimore's defense........remember who is in the middle........a leader known as Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis expects your best effort.....every play.....every game and because of it they are superb.................every year!!!!!!!!!!!!
When your coaching staff creates an "us against the world" mentality and sprinkle in poor attendance in an already split fan stadium, then it's easy to see why they're better on the road than at home. The only fix is winning...
iam glad you asked.. Yes it can, and yes it does. Let me ask you this...do you think a 52 game win streak that the canes had in the orange bowl had anything to do with the intensity that was generated by crowd noise, crowd noise that was possible by configuration... was it just great players?, or was it great players playing with an intimidation factor on top of it?.great players playing with endless energy?, great players playing with an emotional edge?, great players playing for someone else?, great players playing like their in a fish bowl being watched?...all things that transpire when crowd intimacy is involved. Once we establish how intensity and energy can affect a players performance level, we can than move on in my theory.
a classic case of someone who does not get it.. People dont get up and scream, they dont show up on time, they sit on their asses because of the stadium...the distance between them and their players is too far to make an impact, therefore keeping them consistently passive and late. This all affects the players demeanor, energy, intensity, anger, enthusiasm, even before they come to the stadium.
Yeah by all means bring the seats closer to the field but they better improve their team at the same time because if they don't it will be the same crap. Better team = better results Better results = crowd interest Crowd interest = more fans into the game More fans into the game = more noise
I am not following this logic. More Dolphins fans are at home then away. Are you insinuating there are more dolphins fans at the away games then at home games? Because there isn't. I will agree for the players, in a high school game, that it would matter. These guys are professionals. Sure it does make it easier to get up for the game and emotion plays a big part. The problem here is there is absolutely zero leadership coming from the QB position on offense. The other players have no confidence in Henne. There is no leader on offense and they are just going through the motions. Offenses scoring points create excitement. Unfortunately for us we are 31rst in the league in that category. Is having a nice stadium a good thing ........sure it is. But you put a consistent 11 - 12 win team on the field and people will sit in the dirt and not care. But then again you put a 11-12 win team on the field and Ross will be building a new stadium. Because winning translates into revenue. Revenue translates into upgrades, which translates into even more revenue.............interesting business theory......quick someone shoot off an email to the president will ya!!!!!
Ray lewis is my 2nd favorite football player of all time..I understand and agree with your point, however, we dont have a once in a lifetime player trying to overcome such a daunting task...Maybe you have heard me say this quote before...''Its going to take special players to win a championship, playing in this city, and in that stadium''.. Ray Lewis has played his whole career in imo, thee most impressively constructed stadium in the league...Those fans in that stadium are right on top of Ray..thus giving him that extra energy to sustain his fierce intensity.. Lets put it this way, great energy inside a stadium makes great players even better... a charge if you will.. Let me ask you this 2 socks...do you not think a corporate, anticeptic, distant type energy can have affect on the intensity of a football player?
winning at home in our stadium require's us to play against teams that have no fear, or no distraction's to deal with, were basically getting their best...almost like playing on a neutral field...in fact it is.
I absolutely do think that a corporate atmosphere will negatively effect our team. I agree with you about the stadium as well. But, I think it is a smaller part of the picture then this thread may indicate. I will say that you are absolutely on the right track. We need fans screaming and cheering on top of the players. We need the beer closer to the field, and the relief rooms even closer.....lol. I still think the largest part of the puzzle is Henne or the QB and the confidence and swagger that is missing as a result of the leadership not being there or being stagnate. But then one could also put that on the coaching too.
So by your confused thinking having fans closer,more vocal will help to enable our Dolphin players to become more intense,have more energy ,more anger, more enthusiasm thus helping to win games Yet on the road we win without any of those factors you believe we need such as screaming,showing up on time,and the distance fans are from the players. Can't have it both ways Do I have a solution for the discrepancy...No I don't but neither do you with your nonsense
OZ.. heres my list.. better configuration= more crowd intensity, more intimacy More crowd intensity and intimacy= more intense players.. More intense players= better performance from players. Better performance by players from crowd intensity= more crowd intensity even More crowd intensity= home field advantage. Home field advantage= more wins Moe wins=more money in owners pocket. Better players of course would improve wins, however it would not change the root of the problem..which is, these are human being's playing a very emotional game.. even better players will face the same dilemma, and fall short relatively speaking, thus only playing as good as they personally can muster..their also always facing opponents that are playing their favorite game of the year....in miami, no distractions, no crowd noise that alters anything...just a joy to play in.. ''No life'' stadium is a neutral field..yup...thats it...thats why we suck at home..
Never said it doesn't affect the players, I said it's pathetic. You just have an idea stuck in your head and there is a reason nobody talks about it. Talk about a classic case of someone who does not get it.. lol The attitude and stadium atmosphere comes from years and years of watching a team play below average. The Chiefs have had a packed stadium for decades and over the past few years the atmosphere disappeared. Guess what happens when you start to win? The fans rally. Just like how they showed up for the prime time games when we were 2-0. You can make all the modifications in your fantasy world, but with the current product we put on the field, nothing would be different. NOTHING.
Happy New Years! I think it could be coaching, actually. Sparano seems to be able to motivate the team after a loss, but there could be a problem keeping the team focused and motivated after a big win. I think we might be looking to much into the fact that a lot of these losses happened at home, and not paying enough attention to the up and down cycle of our wins and losses this year.
M&T Bank Stadium is about 15 minutes from my house. I haven't been there yet but I hope to go there at some point. The Ravens have so much support here. I'm not a fan but if I could get playoff tickets I would probably go for the experience.
when your on the road there is a different set of circumstances that motivate players to reach their max... If you have no solution you should no speakie... your rebuttal was weak sauce, and I believe even if someone doesn't agree with me, they would agree that your response is quite frankly, really way off on many levels.
Home field advantage is not all about the fans Deej. They do not lose because the crowds suck, or don't know when to scream. It is only the added edge but when a team comes out flat, lets teams score first, or do not score until late in games, or constantly run up FG's, there is not much to scream about. The 12th man is what teams need to gain a minor edge during a game. I do agree that every little bit helps. I've probably advocated moving the seats closer, no, I'm sure I've advocated it long before yourself or most people around here since I was at the very first game ever played in Joe Robbie stadium and said it from day one until I stopped going two seasons ago. However, it is the team that has brought the fans down more than anything these last 10 seasons. There was alot more excitement coming into this season than is the few seasons past. Ticket sales were way up (not quite up to the norm but up still) because the team looked to be improved. Then they lay golden brown eggs in the first two games, against division rivals. Attendance was pretty good for those games, and then they get screwed by the refs for the third game agains the Steelers. They squeek out a win agains the Titans then they go thru a Qb change the next game and get to see a team that could hardly muster a first down. Once against the team plays flatter than a pancake for the next two games and even still, the crowd was pretty good for a game that hardly could be considered interesting against the Lions. If I'm a player on the Miami Dolphins, I'm not embarrassed by our fanbase. I'm embarrassed to have let them down with 7 lousy games. Even if there is only one person wearing a Miami Dolphins jersey up in the stands, they should play their hearts out for him....
besides the superdome, best exp in the NFL...they are so close to their players..they just refuse to sit, and they dont allow their team to not play hard..why do they do that?, because they know they are being heard and felt..why can they be heard and felt?, because the stadium was built properly.
Oz, I agree with everything you just said, its not the fans, and the team this year did not give them a chance to reach their apex as a crowd, always punching us in the gut...also brother, I have been saying these things since the day we moved in to that mortuary...I sat in the orange bowl many many times, same for ''no life'', I have seen how it has affected the enthusiasm of our fans, their game day behavior, their swagger, and I have witnessed how that has affected our players on, and off the field.. My argument is not that it is the only issue, however if it is an issue, than we cannot ignore that it could be the deciding factor in an unprescedented, abnormal, mind blowing statistic. My theory applies to how our stadium cannot provide the energy needed for professional athletes to reach higher levels of performance as a whole, and how the opponents professional athletes have a vacation when they play in our stadium when it come to distractions.. Do you ever wonder why the players consistently change yet the some of the same old things continue to happen...football is a game of inches and seconds..an athlete on adrenaline can make up those seconds and inches... an athlete knowing he will play in an intimate setting will train harder, and play harder..The feeling of being under the microscope is motivating.. If the fans dont feel like they can make an impact they are more inclined to show up late, and sit on their *** when they arrive...this can affect a player before the player arrives, and the moment of introduction..its all downhill after that. or in this case, not quite as good as what they could be.
