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The Official 2013 Boston Red Sox Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Ray Finkle, Feb 21, 2013.

  1. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, but other then 2012, hes never hit above 9 homeruns. Philly is a pretty good hitters park. But he doesn't strike out much, and considering all the strikeouts in TBs lineup, he would be a perfect fit. Good call. I haven't looked at the free agents yet, you have a good site with one?
     
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    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014-mlb-free-agent-tracker

    Also Nappy here is a good write-up on the Top 50 free agents....and predictions on where they might go....Ellsbury too Seattle?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/2014-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions-1.html
     
  3. Nappy Roots

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    Hope the Rays look at Konerko for DH.

    I am not going to lie, if I made predicitons on destinations outside the East, I would be doing it based on internet rumors. I really have no clue of Seattles budget and things like that.
     
  4. finyank13

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    Konerko is a weird buzzard.....his cousin used to be a law clerk in a building I used to work at and he always said that he (Konerko) wouldn't ever go to Boston or New York and for the most part doesn't like any part of the East Coast. He was born in RI and spent his early childhood here, some of his family is still here obviously. I would be surprised if he went to TB, but when the well runs dry as far as offers, who knows.....He did say to his cousin he was leaning towards retirement after his year....so we will see....

    I believe he lives in Arizona....
     
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  5. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    how did degenerative hips get "better" after the riggers of a 162 game schedule plus playoffs and the WS.....?
     
  6. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Not catching anymore and now the team and player knows he has that condition so they know how to treat it.
     
  7. finyank13

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    hahah yup and if your grandma had balls he would be your grandfather.....

    consider Greg Olden had the same disease in his knees....how is that working out for him?
     
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  9. Ray Finkle

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    Obviously I'm no doctor but I would have to think that him no longer having the wear and tear from catching would absolutely help the condition.
     
  10. finyank13

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    Olden has been sitting on his ***, in fact has only played something crazy like 40-50 games in his career...and the guy just cant get right.....even without catching it is still a grind....one thing about baseball is it definitely a grind
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    I get that but it's certainly easier to be standing on the field all game instead of getting up and down from the catcher's position. And Olden really isn't a great example because not just because no one's body is the same but it's a different sport. If your knees are shot how can you run up and down the court or stop on a dime and hit a jump shot or block a shot etc? Andre Dawson was able to play years with bum knees in the MLB.
     
  12. finyank13

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    He is still standing, pivoting, running, jumping, taking shots, roaming around Boston shirtless smoking....hahahah...

    He was diagnosed with the something that ended Bo Jackson's career....something degenerative doesn't get better with time, it slowly gets worse.....I

    I dont know agree to disagree, the Sox got a sweet deal on that....this is how that injury was described....

    So Mike Napoli did what Bo Jackson could not....
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    So you obviously think the report about his hip being better is false? My question would be why would the Sox lie about it? Wouldn't that hurt their leverage in contract talks with him?
     
  14. finyank13

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    No I think originally it was diagnosed worse than what it was....
     
  15. Ray Finkle

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    Maybe? Who knows. If I remember correctly I think Napoli went to at least 3 seperate doctors about the hip.
     
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  17. Ray Finkle

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    Fun with Numbers makes a return today with a slight twist, we're looking at the 162 game average between two players today:

    Player A - 27 years old been in the MLB for 4 seasons 460 games.
    162 average:
    R - 77
    H- 151
    HR - 33
    RBI - 100
    .250/.299/.469/.768

    Player B - 24 years old been in the MLB for 2 seasons 169 games.
    162 average:
    R - 72
    H- 150
    HR - 31
    RBI - 99
    .254/.294/.462/.756

    Player A is Mark Trumbo while Player B is Will Middlebrooks. The takeaway? WMB has power in that bat, if he can just hopefully learn a little patience at the plate he could be an asset moving forward. And will be interesting to see if the Angels do trade Trumbo, what type of return they get back for him could set the trade market for WMB.
     
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  18. finyank13

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    Trumbo's OBP in under .300?!?! Holy crap, I didn't realize that.....love fun with numbers.....

    Also the below is sad....feel for the kid....

     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Trumbo is a highly overrated player just because he hits HRs, that's basically all he does, because he's a poor base running and poor fielder no matter where he plays.

    As for Bard, that it's such a shame. The guy was one of the best set up guys in the game and the way it looks he's probably close to calling it a career any day now. I really do wonder if the Sox trying to convert him to a SPer really messed him up or if this was something that was bound to happen to him because of his past. Looking back at his 2007 minor league season it's amazing that the Sox got 3 very good seasons from him. Hopefully he rebounds and makes a big comeback but unless there's some kind of injury to him it looks like this is the end of the line for him.
     
  20. Ray Finkle

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    This would be an interesting article to look back on this time next year:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/33512/james-sox-projections-were-on-mark

    It's Bill James' 2014 Red Sox projections:

    BILL JAMES' 2014 PREDICTIONS -- HITTERS (OBP/OPS/HR)

    Jacoby Ellsbury

    .348/.774/12

    David Ortiz

    .384/.914/30

    Shane Victorino

    .336/.751/14

    Jonny Gomes

    .336/.769/16

    Stephen Drew

    .332/.730/12

    Dustin Pedroia

    .371/.814/14

    Mike Napoli

    .348/.819/26

    Jarrod Saltalamacchia

    .313/.750/19

    Daniel Nava

    .377/.812/11

    Will Middlebrooks

    .310/.800/32

    Jackie Bradley Jr.

    .329/.749/15

    Xander Bogaerts

    .357/.807/19

    BILL JAMES' 2014 PREDICTIONS -- PITCHERS (W-L/ERA)

    Clay Buchholz

    12-9, 3.46

    Felix Doubront

    8-10, 4.39

    Ryan Dempster

    9-10, 4.02

    Jon Lester

    14-9, 3.67

    Jake Peavy

    11-7, 3.31

    John Lackey

    11-11, 3.93

    Koji Uehara

    23 saves, 1.80
     
  22. finyank13

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    assuming CB stays healthy.....I can see Peavy's ERA being a bit higher....why so low on the saves?
     
  23. Ray Finkle

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    My guess is either he thinks Koji will spend some time on the DL, predicting saves is hard or the Sox offense is just going to crush opponents thus the games will never be close enough to earn a save (wishful thinking?).

    In all seriousness it's probably that predicting saves is hard. The Sox won 97 games last year and had a grand total of 33 saves (21 from Koji, 8 from Bailey and 4 from Hanrahan) while the Cardinals also had 97 wins and had 44 saves. The Astros won 51 games and had 32 saves.
     
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    Sad...Hope the Yanks give him a shot...
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    Obviously I'm rooting hard for a big comeback for him but I think at this point it's a lost cause. Stranger things have happened, hell Kazmir just signed a 2 year deal, but I think we might have seen the last of Bard as a major leaguer. What he really needs is a full year off to clear his head and relax.
     
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  28. Ray Finkle

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    Sure why not.
     
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    Baseball America listed the Red Sox top 10 prospects:

    Xander Bogaerts - SS
    Henry Owens - LHP
    Jackie Bradley Jr. - CF
    Allen Webster - RHP
    Blake Swihart - C
    Garrin Cecchini - 3B
    Mookie Betts - 2B
    Brandon Workman - RHP
    Matt Barners - RHP
    Trey Ball - LHP

    The next two in the list:
    Anthony Ranuado - RHP
    Christian Vazquez - C

    BA mentions that if Rubby De La Rosa was eligible he would be been at #8. What I find pretty amazing is that Trey Ball was the #7 overall pick in last year's draft and he comes in at #10. Just shows you the depth of the farm system there.

    EDIT: Falling off the list from last year is Bryce Brentz (at #8), Jose Iglesisas (9) and Devern Marrero (10).
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    Red Sox traded Franklin Morales and minor league pitcher RHP Chris Martin to the Rockies for utility infielder Jonathan Herrera. Herrera is a switch hitter but his bat is a typical for a back up, he's an above average defender though and has played 2B, SS, 3B and LF in his career and is under control for 2 more years.
     
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    Baseball Prospectus just released their top 10 Red Sox prospects:

    Xander Bogaerts - SS
    Jackie Bradley Jr. - CF
    Garrin Cecchini - 3B
    Matt Barners - RHP
    Henry Owens - LHP
    Blake Swihart - C
    Allen Webster - RHP
    Mookie Betts - 2B
    Christian Vazquez - C
    Trey Ball - LHP

    Only real difference between this list and BA's list is Vazquez in over Workman. I did find it interesting BP has Barnes over Owens. And it's good to see both lists still have Webster on it even though his first go around in the MLB didn't go so well.

    I also read that BP has 6(!) Red Sox players in their top 50, which is pretty incredible.

    Will be interesting to see Keith Law's list later this month/early February.
     
  33. finyank13

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    I bet that squad beats Houston right now :lol:
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    It's very possible. Houston is really going to be an interesting team to watch in 2016ish though. Either they're going to be stacked with young talented top prospects or the franchise will be shot for another 5 or 6 years.
     
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  35. Nappy Roots

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    “@pgammo: When the Ice Age returns to New England tonight, Red Sox fans can think about Felix Doubront conditioning at the IMG facility in Bradenton”


    Nice little shout out to where I live and am from. It's 70 degrees here in Bradenton right now. :)
     
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    Dude it is 40 here now and it feels like 70 degrees I swear :lol:
     
  37. Ray Finkle

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    Good to see Doubront getting into shape again. Seriously it's guys like him that drive me crazy, where he has tons of talent but seems lazy about his conditioning and thus it affects his on field performance.

    Yeah it's 55 here and it feels great. Especially having to deal with temperatures the last few days in single digits, especially shoveling snow during wind chills making the weather feel negative. God bless New England right?
     
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    IMG is 2nd to none in conditioning the body. So he's got that going for him.
     
  39. Ray Finkle

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    And I think if he shows up to camp fat again Farrell might kill him so that's pretty good motivation as well.
     
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    Pretty good article about the Sox payroll commitments following the 2014 season:

    http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/b...hy-red-sox-next-offseason-could-be-very-diffe

    In a nut shell, the Sox will be losing $96 million in salary giving them plenty of money to play around with if they want to extend Lester and/or Ortiz or make a splash at signing a big name FA like Kershaw or Scherzer should they hit the market.
     

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