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***The official 2014 Miami Marlins thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by SICK, Mar 15, 2014.

  1. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Ok fine we'll throw in Daniel Nava to replace Stanton in the OF.

    And obviously I was kidding with that trade..... I think we can get Stanton for just Middlebrooks and Nava.
     
  2. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    No.
     
  3. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not that Stanton is available, but I would imagine any deal to Boston would have to involve Bogarts.
     
  4. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    If it was last year, I'd agree. But that ship has probably sailed.

    Unfortunately, I think Stanton being traded is inevitable. The extension ship has also sailed.
     
  5. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Well I didnt say that. Just that the team overall would be better which is almost impossible to dispute right?
     
  6. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    Very few teams are not dealing with major injuries....
     
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  7. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Yeah Bogaerts is nearly untouchable, the Sox wouldn't trade him for Stanton at this point. Realistically any trade involving the Sox and Marlins, Mookie Betts and Blake Swihart would be involved.
     
  8. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Yeah but it isnt the same when you only have two legitimate stars and one is down. A lot of other teams have much better depth and can handle one or two injuries better.
     
  9. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Hey..would you look at that?

    The Marlins made the offensive improvement I thought they could make and are on pace for 81 wins as of today through 106 games.

    The WHIP of 1.32 is off from what I thought would be needed for 85 wins..but there is a little time to improve that as well.
     
  10. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    It only took a 9-1 stretch in their last 10 to get to .500 and the highest BABIP in baseball. We can ignore the fact that they've been a bottom 10 offense since the middle of May. I'll give you that one.

    At the end of the year, they'll be a mid-70's win team with a real chance to compete next year with a good offseason. Like I said they'd be.
     
  11. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    WHIP isn't really a stat you want to be using for predictive value, by the way. Try xFIP.
     
  12. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Yep. 9-1 stretches don't happen in 162 game seasons.
     
  13. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Stats that you can put into a database and use in comparables throughout history are good predictive stats.

    Let's also pretend that they are not missing at least 11 quality starts from their 106 game sample so far...so that .500 record might even be better.
     
  14. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    But sure...mid 70's in wins is certainly possible, but my point about offensive improvement from year to year still remains. You said it was "impossible", although it happens ALL THE TIME.
     
  15. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    It was strong hyperbole. We'll see where they end up.

    I'm not sure what your point is about WHIP but regardless, it has very little predictive value.
     
  16. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Combined with runs scored it has a very HIGH predictive value.
     
  17. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    It really doesn't. Again, try xFIP.
     
  18. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    Marlins Acquire Jarred Cosart, Enrique Hernandez For Colin Moran, Jake Marisnick, Comp Pick

    By Jeff Todd [July 31, 2014 at 3:43pm CDT]
    The Marlins have announced a multi-player trade with the Astros that will bring starter Jarred Cosart, shortstop Enrique Hernandez, and pitcher Francis Martes to Miami in exchange for third baseman Colin Moran, outfielder Jake Marisnick, outfielder Austin Wates, and the Marlins’ 2015 compensation pick.
    Miami was said to be chasing a young arm, and that’s exactly what they got. But it came at a fairly steep price.


    Comments?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
     
  19. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    I don't get this deal from Miami's side.
     
  20. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Feel like we gave up a lot, Mainge what's your thoughts?
     
  21. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    Neither do i. Why i posted it though to get Marlins fans perspective.
     
  22. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    I don't like it but I seem to be in the minority.
     
  23. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    No. I disagree.
     
  24. Desides

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    Rule of Marlins transactions: the Marlins always lose the transaction.
     
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  25. sports24/7

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    Really, the rule should be they always appear to lose the transaction, but as of late, they've done pretty well. In that Toronto deal that looked so awful a few years ago, the player who's having the best year, and the only player to go on to make an All-Star team, is Henderson Alvarez. The Brian Morris trade looked absolutely awful when they made it, but he's been very good since they got him.

    I don't love this trade because I feel that Marisnick and Moran have more value than what they were traded for. I would have liked to see what more it would have taken to get Price, who did not go for a big package. At the end of the day though, both of those players are minor leaguers that may never amount to anything in the majors and Cosart is solid with some upside and Hernandez is a versatile player who has been impressive this year. We'll see how this one turns out.
     
  26. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Cabrera, Hanley > Alvarez.
     
  27. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    lol
     
  28. Sumlit

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    Marlins just got totally ****ed by the re-play crew and MLB. What an utter horse**** rule/call/overturn. Unbelievable.

    Apparently this is safe now on account of the new "plate blocking rules" that nobody ****ing understands.

    [​IMG]
     
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  29. sports24/7

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    Cabrera was traded 7 years ago. I said as of late.
     
  30. aesop

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    One of many reasons I don't bother watching MLB anymore. They work harder and harder to make the sport devoid of any exciting play.
     
  31. Silverphin

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    I saw the replay of it on NBC 6.

    Wow....
     
  32. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    LOL all you want..but one of us gets paid for stats work and was offered an assistant scout gig out of high school.

    I DISAGREE WITH YOU. Can I? Ok. Good.
     
  33. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    You don't know a thing about me or what I do for a living. I can promise that, at worst, I am as equally qualified as you are.

    Of course you can disagree with me, but that doesn't make WHIP a stat with good predictive value. It's far too heavily influenced by BABIP.
     
  34. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    So we are 4.5 out of the wildcard but ESPN has our postseason probability at 3%.

    I guess games are running out but 4.5 isn't insurnountable.
     
  35. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Fangraphs has us just below 3%. I think the number of teams we have to jump also has a lot to do with it.
     
  36. Vertical Limit

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    Stanton has bombed way too many "solo" shots for my liking the past 2 weeks... He can't be the only one contributing on run support... Our pitching has been very inconsistent the least they can do is try to get on base and give Stanton/McGehee a chance... wild card race should be much closer...
     
  37. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Yeah that is what I started to think when I thought about it more. Not so much the games back but the number of closely grouped teams.
     
  38. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Probably the worse call I've ever seen in any sport in my entire life.

    Stanton gets nailed in the face (probably ends up being a LeFort fracture). Next batter gets hit on the hands up and inside, he moves the bat in order to try to get out of the way so the ump calls it strike three?! One problem is he didn't swing AND it was fouled back.
     
  39. Sumlit

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    ****ing brutal. Very definition of adding insult to injury.

    How can 4 umps all make such an obvious wrong decision. It was either a HBP or a foul, how do you end up with a strikeout?
     
  40. MikeHoncho

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    They're all about protecting the players, aren't they?
     

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