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The Official 2015 MLB Off-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Ray Finkle, Oct 30, 2014.

  1. Finfangirl

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    Someone want to tell Pablo to skip the buffet line. Holy crap.
     
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  2. finyank13

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    Cashman needs to get fired...

    They are saying in the 30M dollar range, for the Yanks to let the Sox get him is unacceptable....
     
  3. Ray Finkle

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    Holy crap I'm shocked. I thought for sure he would be a Yankee or Dodger. I'm very happy today. Glad to see the Sox willing to spend the money to sign these international free agents, especially after missing out on Jose Abreu last year by only a few million bucks.

    Also good to see both Farrell and Cherington got contract extensions.
     
  4. Finfangirl

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    Apparently cash was overruled again. This time not by Hal. But, whatever, the Yankees have become cheap bastards.
     
  5. Boik14

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    Lol, you tell him....maybe he wont sumo squat on you. Good lord, its david wells latino cousin. :lol:
     
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  6. Ray Finkle

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    A lot of people are obviously starting to speculate that the reason why the Yankees have suddenly become cheap is because they are planning on selling the team soon and want to keep expenses down. Who knows but next offense will be telling especially if they miss the playoffs yet again.
     
  7. finyank13

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    Cashman couldn't convince ownership to spend the money.....they lost him over 4 million dollars...
     
  8. Nappy Roots

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    You should be happy Yanks didn't sign that kid for that amount.
     
  9. Ray Finkle

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    Why?
     
  10. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    It's double that money for bonus alone, closer to $60-70M with penalties (including no additional INTL player over 300K for next 2 seasons) and thats prior to any negotiated salaries on top of that. In the long run, could very well be unrealized return on "ridiculous" investment.

    Aside from the hype/risk of him not being the talent they think, the Profar scenario also looms....the $$$$ is just astronomical for that gamble.

    All that said, I wish Yanks Brass didnt overrule Cashman and had signed him, as am sure MIL fans feel same, but the cost is huge...and 2 year without realistically any other INTL talent could be impactful too.
     
  11. Vertical Limit

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    Hes always been fat... But that gut is starting to sag in a shape that i dont think ive ever seen from the third base position. Goodness
     
  12. Ray Finkle

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    The Sox were already over the intentional spending limits (along with I believe the Dodgers, Yankees, Rays, Diamondbacks and one or two other teams) so that didn't matter or factor into the decision at all, it's a moot point. Actually several people from the organization have said we were already over the limit and probably couldn't land another top international talent for 2 years anyway so why not go all in anyway.

    Of course Moncada could turn out to be a total bust but for a team with money, like the Red Sox, I don't see why this is a bad signing. He's a 19 year old switch hitting 5 tool prospect. Those don't grow on trees. If you think about it it's no more of a gamble then any team putting a bid up for a Japanese player then signing him (ala Matsuzaka, Darvish) or simplying signing another Cuban player with no MLB experience (ala Abreu, Castillo, Puig, Solar).

    And the Profar scenario, really? An injury risk is a risk with any player at any time, I can't see why that would ever stop a team from signing a 19 year old with zero injury history. So a very weak argument against the signing.

    Anyway Fangraphs had a good articles on the signing:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/why-63-million-for-yoan-moncada-makes-sense/

    Again, it's a gamble no doubt about it because who knows what type of player he could be or if he'll ever pan out but for a team like the Red Sox, who have money, I think it's a risk worth taking.
     
  13. Nappy Roots

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    It's a big gamble because he's 19 and he's not Griffey or ARod. So you don't know how well he will project going forward.
     
  14. MikeHoncho

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    When is he due?
     
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  15. Ray Finkle

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    How do you know? Obviously not saying he will be but who knows what he'll be.

    It's no different then teams spending $50 plus million just to win a bid on a Japanese player.
     
  16. Nappy Roots

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    I didn't say he wouldn't be. I said he isn't. Meaning at this time. We don't know what he will be, thats the point. Giving him that contract, at his age, is ridiculous. Because weve seen stud 19 year old after stud 19 year old, fail. It is what it is.
     
  17. Ray Finkle

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    Just like we've seen established MLB players sign big contracts and fail too. It's the nature of the business and sport.

    I guess I don't see what the issue is for a team like the Red Sox, who have money to spend. Even if he is a complete bust, it's just money (which doesn't count against a luxury tax). It's not going to prevent them from adding players to their MLB club if needed or stop them from signing other players. It's worth the risk to them.
     
  18. finyank13

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    Eh I can't think on Moncada anymore the Yankees ****ed up not signing him, they cant sign anybody for 2 years anyway so why not, and it just so happens as Fink said a 19 yr old 5-tool best player ever out of Cuba phenom is available.....They had to kick in 30M this year and 30M in 3 years which at that point they will have been rid of CC/Tex and Arod contracts totaling in excess of 75M dollars. They would pay off that 30 in one lump sum payment and still 45M leftover....Best part? No draft pick comp, in 2 years they could bring up Bird, Servenino, Judge, Moncada, Pirela, Renydef, Carlkin would be close, Lingren etc etc etc.....talk about a total infusion of young hungry exciting talent being veteraned by Ells/Gardner/McCann/Betances....Yankee fans get it (at least normal ones) for the next 2 more years they should not sign any major free agents to cost prohibitive contracts, while these other major cost prohibitive contracts die out and all the while keep you picks and build the farm. If the Yankees have to miss the playoffs a few years to achieve that so be it. Just in the meantime do the right things. I have said all along it is this ownership group that doesn't get it, I am convinced of it now.....
     
  19. finyank13

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    This is going to be interesting....so whats this new rule?
     
  20. Nappy Roots

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    Have to keep one foot in the box.
     
  21. finyank13

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    At all times? Ohhh so that means the pitcher can pitch....nice I like it...
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    The Yankees had no problems paying 26 million to win the posting bid for Kei Igawa then sign him to a 5 year 20 million dollar contract or 20 million for Tanaka then giving him a 7 year $155 million dolllar contract. Both guys were older and never pitched in the MLB.

    Yet people are saying the Sox paid too much for Moncada or saying it's a stupid to pay 63 million on a 19 year old? Why? I don't get it. The obvious reasons/risks factors involved are obvious and you could say that about signing any player.

    Fact is this is a 19 year old 5 tool switch hitter who all scouts universally love and think he could be the real deal, so why not take a shot at him?
     
  23. Ray Finkle

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    I actually think the bigger problem is pitchers taking way too much time between pitches or then the hitters stepping out of the box.
     
  24. finyank13

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    Right there simply is no reason for them to not have paid 35M and be done with it.....plain and simple....Lets face they are the Yankees and Red Sox and Dodgers, they dont operate at under 100M ever, they are big market teams....I get what Nappy is saying, but that is a smaller market mentality that cant take a chance on Moncada busting out...the Yanks could take a chance on him, he busts out and they write it off....no big deal, like Igawa/Irabu etc....

    Hal said they would rather pay that money for a proven veteran with a track record, first ANY proven SS with a track record is costing at least double and the years are always going to be over 5......they will be at least 6 years old, and the production isnt going to be that different....
     
  25. finyank13

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    It is both, but the majority of pitchers are ready to pitch....hitters IMO def take more time to mess with the pitcher...
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    Agree completely. If Moncada was American he would be the 1st or 2nd pick in the MLB draft and teams like the Sox, Yankees, Dodgers wouldn't have a shot at him. I believe John Henry even said something similar to that.

    With the way offense in the MLB is now and with all of this money the MLB is getting from their TV contracts, etc 63 million in 2015 isn't that crazy of a number anymore. You take that gamble and hope for the best.
     
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  27. MikeHoncho

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    Please give us an entire season Jose.
    [video=youtube_share;ZZpTUTmyUDY]http://youtu.be/ZZpTUTmyUDY[/video]
     
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  28. finyank13

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  29. Ray Finkle

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    It all depends, Hanley has said he's gotten bigger to help him stay stronger and healthier. He wasn't lifting to get jacked (although he is a freaking monster now) and is still flexible but now that he isn't playing SS he doesn't need to worry about being as lean.

    We'll see.
     
  30. finyank13

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    If he wasnt lifting to get like that how did he get like that? Muscles are nice but baseball is about flexibility and reaction more imo.....
     
  31. Ray Finkle

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    http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/b...anley-ramirez-massive-and-red-sox-hope-his-mu

    Hanley says in that article he knew once he was moving off of SS to LF he could get bigger to help stay healthier. He also says he maintained his flexibility and that he didn't lift like a weight lifter would to simply get bulky.

    Like I said we'll see, sometimes getting bigger like that hurts players, sometimes it helps them because their muscles are stronger and it keeps them healthier thoughout the long season.
     
  32. finyank13

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    If he wasnt lifting to get like that how did he get like that? Muscles are nice but baseball is about flexibility and reaction more imo.....
     
  33. finyank13

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    lol he is 240 pounds I get what you are saying but in order to put that weight in one offseason at the age of 31, yes you are lifting like a weightlifter.....as far as flexibility I am sure he still keeps it, but you never know, he has never played at that weight before.....Holy crap I didnt realize he was 240...
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    He's 10 pounds heavier than last year, is that a lot for 1 offseason?
     
  35. MikeHoncho

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    Look at the size of his head.

    'roids.
     
  36. Boik14

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    The Dark Knight has risen!!!!! Happy Harvey Days are here again. 99/99/Off speed and a K. First batter.


    Washington.......Ohhhh Washington....You got company Bryce!
     
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  37. Finfangirl

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    Nope, well, depends on the person's frame - But i would say, thats is pretty normal. However, you'd have to be lifting almost everyday to gain 10lbs of muscle.
     
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  39. Ray Finkle

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    There are a handful of regular die hard posters in these baseball threads that absolutely should join, I'm looking at you specifically FinYank. You can even get first pick because we know it would be Arod.
     
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  40. Boik14

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    Kinda figured you'd be one of them so we know Papi would be pick 2 :chuckle:
     
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