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****The Official 2016-2017 NBA Thread****

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Section126, Jul 1, 2016.

  1. MikeHoncho

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    Not buying it. That Sports Illustrated article wasn't titled "I'm coming home to get paid".


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  2. rafael

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    Historically, who was favored has everything to do with it. In the NBA huge underdogs rarely win series. This is just a fact. And Kyrie having all-time great games when he hasn't done so in the past is an anomaly. Unless Kyrie and their other players continue to have games like that and GSW's players continue to play as badly then the anomaly has to be considered luck. Reality is that most of those performances are unlikely to be repeated. I know you want to continue the fantasy that anything against Cleveland must be bias, but unbiased analysis looks at how teams and players have played to evaluate how they're likely to play in any given series.
     
  3. Fin-O

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    Why do I have a feeling if Oklahoma City would've found a way to beat Golden State you wouldn't of called that series look by any stretch of imagination.

    You're mad because you're forced to eat crow after all the silly comment you made we get it just let it go


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  4. finfansince72

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    Its bias when you keep making things up to justify an obviously biased opinion. Cleveland played great, thats not luck. They also played good defense and has a lot to do with GS not playing well. Historically teams that live by jumpshots die by jumpshots at some point. Also GS played like this in the last NBA Finals against the Cavs but the Cavs team was depleted so they still won. When a team outplays another team its not luck, Lebron played like an NBA Finals MVP and he got help from an All Star Caliber player in Irving that isn't luck thats two All Stars showing up and playing like it.
     
  5. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The odds in that series were much closer. This is not anger, it's just logic. Vegas set the odds, I didn't.
     
  6. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I didn't make anything up. Irving did not show up like he has in the past. He played way above that level. That's an anomaly. You keep acting like this was some expected outcome that I'm just denying. Reality is that every expert and Vegas had the Cavs as a huge underdog. One of the largest in recent history. They weren't all biased either. Using objective analysis the Cavs were an inferior team. That was the narrative. All teams need some luck to win a championship. When you're a huge underdog you need a ton of luck. The Cavs got that. There's no need to change the narrative after the fact.
     
  7. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Am I the only not buying any story about Wade leaving Miami? Seems like a bunch of BS.
     
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  8. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    At this point, if he wants to leave, just leave.

    Go to Cleveland for $5 million and don't win a championship.

    Then come back to and tell me it was worth it

    LeBron James is this team's ghost. He haunts us. He is frickin poison. A tumor still infecting us. There was no problem until Wade spent a week on a boat with this clown. Now he's going to take the mid level in Cleveland while LeBron makes $30 million. Funny he seems perfectly willing to sacrifice for this jerk off and then thanks him for it
     
  9. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck Club Member

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    I'm guessing this is still a power play from Wade. No one took his threats to Milwaukee or Denver serious. Miami leaked the 2/$40mil offer. He decided to threaten in a way that would hurt the worst.
     
  10. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not buying it. And I'm not going to react to every alleged rumor out there.
     
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  11. Fin-O

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    There is much more that goes into odds making than who the better team is.


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  12. Vertical Limit

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    Riley would never do it but if i were him id pull the offer off the table. Enough is enough, tired of this diva.
     
  13. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Right, but regardless the fact is that these two teams were considered a much closer match-up.
     
  14. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent Club Member

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    I can understand people not being happy with Wade playing hardball but a little class here guys. He is the best thing that ever happened to the Heat.
     
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  15. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Dirk signs 2 year 40 million deal with mavericks.
     
  16. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'm with you. I was with you 100% but then when I saw that tweet from the private jet company saying that Wade is on a plane with Dan Gilbert and Lebron James, that became more like 98%.
     
  17. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    OK so I had seen someone on twitter write something about how Wade physically couldn't have been on that plane because of where he was prior to that. And someone in the know just reiterated that to me.

    But there are reports that Wade is in "preliminary" talks about rejoining LeBron with the Cavs. And I'm sure that reach-out has occurred because A) LeBron and Dwyane are friends so whatever Dwyane needs as a favor I think LeBron is more than happy to oblige, and B) The team that LeBron just beat in the finals just pulled in Kevin effing Durant so year I think a nuclear arms race may be a valid first instinct.

    But I think this is just a dance, Wade trying to remind Riley (and the world, especially for the purposes of marketing) that he's still a highly coveted player.
     
  18. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Yeah great reminder, the Nuggets and the Bucks want you at max, the Cavs want you at MLE.. No one else wants him
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    I sense sarcasm but yes that is an effective reminder that multiple teams still view him as a max player and that the Cavs and LeBron James view him as the nuclear arms race answer to Golden State's signing Kevin Durant. Yes that's all very flattering for Wade's image and should have real ($$$) effects on his marketing power.
     
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  20. Sumlit

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    Why does Wade need to remind Riley? Is he not wanted by the Heat? Has he not been offered $20m per year for the last year and the next two? The Heat have shown Wade he is beyond wanted, they've just asked him to work with them to preserve flexibility for free agency to help the team, and yes, to help Wade too.

    This narrative of Wade as the selfless sacrificer and victim to the backstabbing and ungrateful Heat is becoming tiresome and annoying.
     
  21. Desides

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    That account wasn't even verified.
     
  22. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck Club Member

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    This is just me from the outside, so I don't know all the details. But it sort of feels like Wade is always the guy asked to sacrifice. And he's sort of put on the backburner while they chase bigger fish.

    Like - they maxed out Whiteside and then chased Durant. What was going to be left for Wade at that point? Think he didn't notice that?

    Again - I'm not as deep into the details as you guys. But it seems like if you were Dwyane Wade - had won one in 2006, orchestrated the moves that brough 2 more while taking less money, a smaller role - and now you're being put on the back burner and being told you'll get paid next year every off season. Yeah, I could see him being annoyed.
     
  23. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck Club Member

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    I had some HILARIOUS "Warriors are going to be too thin!" and "Dray and KD can't handle an entire season worth of beating at the 4/5!" takes before they signed Zaza.

    Next season is going to be insaaaaaaaaaaane with them having to re-sign Durant, Steph, and Iggy.
     
  24. Sumlit

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    Sacrifice what though? Giving up a max salary for a better team is not a sacrifice, it's a compromise. Giving up a max salary for slightly less, and playing with your friends, having overwhelming success translate into increased legacy, endorsements and rewards is hardly a sacrifice at all.

    Wade is not put on the back-burner at all. He is the face of the franchise, the Heat just count on him to help them with the flexibility needed to keep improving the team for his sake too. That's what it takes to be competitive every year and not go into rebuilds.

    And btw, all this talk about his monetary sacrifice, Wade has made upwards of $150m in career salary and likely ends up with $200m earnings in salary as an exclusive Heat player if he chooses. Let's not act like Wade has been cheated here. All that has been asked of him as the face of the franchise is to help out with flexibility to keep the team competitive.

    I think the real problem here is people in his ear filling his head with crap. I suspect he has quite a few of these people around him lately and therein lie all the recent issues.
     
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  25. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    It's day 5 of free agency, it's hardly been a week, the offer came to him on the morning of day 4. Riley's job is to win, not to stroke Wade's ****.

    Wade needs to stop acting like a diva and just sign or leave. Period.

    And you're right Sumlit, many franchise players do it. Brady turns 39 next month, and for the last decade all I've ever heard every offseason is him restructuring his contract to provide more space for the Patriots to remain competitive. And at 39 his goal has not changed.

    Wade seems like he just wants to get paid no matter what, he's done winning.

    Lebatard just said the following:

     
  26. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    There's a rumor Wade has rejected the 2 year 40 million offer. and Lebatard says he doubts Heat will extend 3 year /60 million.
     
  27. dolfan32323

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    So Wade is acting like a Diva for not having signed a deal at midnight and wanting to maximize his value? The guy has consistently made sacrifices (yes, I know he has made more than enough money in his career) that have allowed us to have flexibility to make moves and be competitive year in and year out. I honestly don't think Miami has had a more selfless superstar than D Wade. Heck, I think he deserves the big bucks that these other teams want to offer him. But D Wade has shown year in and year out that he IS the Miami Heat. He's not going anywhere. He's going to get a fair deal and give Riley flexibility at the end of the day. If he did anything else I would be absolutely shocked. All of these stories don't pass the smell test and Wade has been on vacation. I'll believe he's leaving when puts pen to paper elsewhere but I'm so skeptical that will ever happen.

    Edit: BTW I don't question your opinion of Wade - many share the same sentiment. I just think we've seen time and time again that Wade won't handicap this franchise and don't believe he will do so now.
     
  28. Desides

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    Iguodala is the odd man out there. Curry gets the max. Durant may only be a one year rental, to be quite honest.
     
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  29. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    That would be crazy if Durant chooses to leave to another team next year lol I dont think he would want to go through that again so quickly but who knows, I can see him leaving if by some miracle they dont win the champioship
     
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  30. Desides

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    There's also the risk that a meteorite falls through the ceiling and kills you. It's not a risk worth considering on a momentary basis.

    I'd disagree with this. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to be paid like the superstar he is and he wants to win, being central to a winning team. The real issue is that he seems to think the Heat should still pay him the money he opted out of in 2014. If I'm Riley or Arison, the response to that is, "We don't owe you that money, LeBron James does."
     
  31. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Ray Allen is being pursued by Golden State.
     
  32. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck Club Member

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    Hard spot w Iggy -he's gonna be getting too old to give a long-term deal but he's also extremely important to what they do. And won't really be able to do better.

    There's so much talent they likely figure it all out - but my lord is that team going to be thin and have some long-term questions on how they field a decent team. Cap jumping so much seems to have really dried up the guys that are willing to take vet minimum deals.

    Most super teams take a year to sort of take form and really figure it out - but it's not hard to imagine GS hitting the ground running.
     
  33. FinSane

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    He's going to Cleveland most likely. Sigh.

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  34. Rouk

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    Cant the heat go over the cap to pay wade. I don't understand why they dont give him 2 years 60 no team other then cavs are competitive in the east
     
  35. Desides

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    I don't believe the Heat can go over the cap, and paying more than 2y/$40m ruins 2017 flexibility. So the Heat turn into Lakers East with better younger prospects at that point. Riley is trying to avoid that.
     
  36. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    The Heat can pay him more if they find a suitor for McRoberts. But I don't think Riley cares to offer more, his offer is more than fair.
     
  37. Rouk

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    Man I don't care who we have to trade if wade becomes a cav I'll be pist.
     
  38. Serpico Jones

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    Dwyane Wade has canceled his meeting with the Bucks.
     
  39. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Per Windhorst and Aldridge, Wade has canceled all free agent meetings he had scheduled for this week, including Milwaukee

    He's coming back
     
  40. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    So to recap what has occurred here,

    1. Dwyane Wade, a free agent, spoke to some teams about contracts.
    2. The Miami Heat prioritized, in the following order from a timeline perspective:
    -A. Hassan Whiteside;
    -B. Kevin Durant;
    -C. Dwyane Wade.
    3. Hassan Whiteside agreed to terms with the Heat.
    4. Kevin Durant met with the Heat on July 3rd and announced his decision on July 4th.
    5. Not even a day later, Dwyane Wade cancels his planned meetings with other teams and announces he's returning to Miami.

    The rest of everything we have heard in-between, all the drama, all the "their relationship is in the most peril it's ever been" bull sh-t, all made up crap.
     

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