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***The Official 2018-19 NBA Thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Boik14, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I like what ATL is doing over there. I see the blueprint. They are going to be a problem in the east in 2-3 years.
     
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  2. Vertical Limit

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    eh... i would have drafted for upside if im forced to pick someone... but first i would have explored trading that pick and a bad contract for an expiring... the rebuild cant come fast enough..
     
  3. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's really frustrating. There were some high upside players like Little and especially Sekou on the board, and they passed for Tyler freaking Herro? We just have to hope we're wrong, and he turns into Devin Booker, but man that's frustrating. I (and most fans) hated the Bam pick at the time, though, so we'll see.
     
  4. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    At least bam was/is an athletic freak of nature.
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Nice pick pistons. Doumbaya needs work but he could be special
     
  6. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member

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    Herro is a dead eye shooter. Think Klay. 3 and D with upside to be really good. 1 of the real upside players this draft.
     
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  7. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I hope you're right, but you're in the minority on the upside part. Maybe the fact that he's white plays into that, though.
     
  8. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member

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    Half these "analysts" just go by stats instead of traits. Another reason i pay limited attention to them. Id give more credence to something you or CK said over many analysts.
     
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  9. sports24/7

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    Sure, but Herro also has an elite skill-set as a shooter, so I think you're at the same place, really.

    I wonder if they were thrown off with PJ Washington going to the Hornets. Here's hoping they somehow get Kevin Porter in round 2, although I doubt he does, and the word is they like Carsen Edwards and Ky Bowman.
     
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    Admittedly, I haven't watched much of him, because I didn't think he was a real option, and didn't love the reported skill-set. I do think the white bias thing is real, though, so hopefully that's at play here. It's similar to the age thing when it comes to these prospects and perceived upside.
     
  11. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member

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    A lot of people are down on Reddish, i like the pick there too.

    Minnesota...i dont know what theyre thinking?
     
  12. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Just found out that the Atlanta Hawks GM was the Warriors' Assistant GM before he was hired 2 years ago.

    That explains everything I am thinking, lol. No wonder they have killed 2 straight drafts. Im telling you, they are coming along nicely.
     
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  13. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I like everything they have done for the past 2 drafts. I think that Hawks GM is putting in work. I usually don't speak on other teams, but I have to give props when I think it's needed.

    Minnesota hired the former Morey protege. He has his work cut out for him.
     
  14. sports24/7

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    As you guys know, I wasn't the biggest Brandon Clarke fan, but the fact that he's still here at the 20th pick in the draft is really surprising. Same for Nassir Little.
     
  15. adamprez2003

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    Damn you Spurs. I wanted Samanic for the Nets
     
  16. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member

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    Clarke may have great athleticism but didnt test well supposedly
     
  17. Vertical Limit

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    They got a lot of former Warriors personel in atlanta actually.. even the medical staff most notable Chelsea Lane, who got a lot of credit from the Warriors players, moved to Atlanta. There was chatter 2 weeks ago that if Chelsea was still around, KD would not have been cleared to play.
     
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  18. Fin-O

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    KD getting hurt not only cost the Warriors a good chance at another title, it also cost the Knicks a legit shot at an ECF next season.

    So I hope the new team doctor in Oakland gets genital warts.
     
  19. adamprez2003

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    Can't believe the jazz took bazely. **** you utah!!!!!!!
     
  20. adamprez2003

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    At this point I don't know who to take. I think porter and bol bol would be my two choices
     
  21. adamprez2003

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    Cool. Traded our pick to the paper clips. Think the guys we wanted were off the board
     
  22. Boik14

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    I think you didn’t want guaranteed salary. You got phillys first next year that LAC owned.
     
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  23. Boik14

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    Miami traded 3 future 2’s for KZ Okpala
     
  24. sports24/7

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    Such a weird draft for the Heat. They take a guy most think is a reach, and a safe player in Herro. I get bummed. The Heat trade for KZ Okpala who is in the mold of what I wanted at 13, and I get excited, even thought I might have preferred Bol Bol. Then they take Bol Bol at 44, and I'm getting really excited. Then they trade Bol to the Nuggets, and I'm sad.
     
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  25. GARDENHEAD

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    David Griffin is a magician. Goodnight.
     
  26. Serpico Jones

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    I don’t get the Bol Bol trade at all. Pat Riley seems discombobulated in his press conference.
     
  27. sports24/7

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    They weren't going to commit to three rookies on the roster at this point. It's weird the way they went about the second rounders trading for one yesterday, trading other picks to get Okpala, then trading the pick they traded for yesterday, but they currently just don't have the room. Personally, I would have liked to see them make it work for all 3, but with the uncertainty over the roster right now, I understand why they didn't keep both seconds.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    Tyler Herro was a 1st round pick genuinely, so at least there's that.

    He's a dead-eye shooter, as Boik14 says. He was #8 in the draft in 2-point field goal percentage away from the rim (47%).

    He's a 94% free throw shooter, which is incredible in its own right. That was second-best in the NCAA. Riley talked about how he made his last 25-consecutive shots during the workout. Something that was really striking to me about the championship and the playoffs was watching how Steph Curry and Kawhi Leonard seem to never miss their free throws.

    His 3-point percentage was surprisingly low for what he is, only 36%, but only 49 of his 60 makes were assisted, which is a lot lower percentage than Devin Booker when he came out hitting 58 of 141 from behind the arc, but with 57 of those being assisted.

    And for all that, I find it interesting when I watch him finish shots at the basket. He's pretty good there, 66% is above-average for guards in the draft. It's higher than Ja Morant.

    Devin Booker, incidentally, was also a dead-eye shooter, and yet his free throw percentage was decidedly lower (83%) and his percentage at mid-range was also decidedly lower (39%). He did, have a higher 3-point percentage (41%) but as I said he had the benefit of only making one of those unassisted. On the other hand, one area where Devin Booker clearly excelled a bit more than Herro is at the rim, where he finished 73% of his shots, which would've been best among guards in this year's draft class.

    Tyler Herro has a genuine fighter's personality. Pat Riley wasn't just whistling dixie when he talked about his personality and work ethic. There's a nice video out there of him in high school having a 45 point game during/after the opposing fans started chanting, "over-rated" at him.

    The first thing I did is go back and re-watch the Kentucky-Mega Bemax video from I think it was August of 2018 and the thing that popped out at me is Tyler Herro was not a starter. When Pat Riley said that John Calipari found that he couldn't keep him off the floor, that was a genuine comment reflecting how Tyler Herro had gone from NOT a starter, probably because of his age and recruiting status, to all finishing the season with the most minutes on the team. That's something. Pretty interesting.

    I think he's a SG in the NBA. He handles the ball pretty well to my eyes. He's fast. He's very, very active. I've been turned off by the way he shoots in the past but perhaps that's even a source of upside as the coaching staff can make him even better.

    But I'm not sure I'm in love with the philosophy behind taking him, as described by Pat Riley in his press conference. It reminds me overall of Dave Wannstedt's philosophy behind taking Jamar Fletcher. Riley made it clear he's aiming low and attempting to fill a discrete role. I don't think that's going to cut it, when it comes to changing the fortunes of this team.
     
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  29. sports24/7

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    At some point though you have to reconcile how this dead-eye shooter who is to be compared with Kyle Korver, J.J. Reddick, and Ray Allen (Pat Riley's comparisons)...ends up being only #26 in three point percentage, out of the 42 college draft picks with at least 50 attempts.

    I mean...come on.

    Yeah he's got a good free throw percentage and he's pretty good at mid-range jumpers, and apparently he knocks down shots in the workouts, but it's got to translate into games. The fact it didn't do so at the college level makes you wonder about when things get harder.

    Unlike some prospects, this aspect of his game is and has always been a big part of who he is as a player. Not a whole lot of excuse for it being underwhelming.
     
  31. BevoPhin

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    I watched this last night and it made me dislike the pick less. He’s carrying a squad that looks like UTEP basketball pre Don Haskins and nailing some ridiculous shots while doubled and even tripled all game. James Harden would be impressed with his step back. In the videos I’ve watched, he’s hitting off balance 3s and making it look easy.

    I also love his swag and cockiness. If he pans out he’s marketable as hell. I just hope he keeps his nose clean in Miami.
     
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  32. ckparrothead

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    I think John Calipari basically convinced the Heat that this is Devin Booker 2.0.

    Remember back at Kentucky in 2014-15, Booker was overlooked because of the presence of Karl-Anthony Towns and Willie Cauley-Stein, plus they had Aaron Harrison hogging all the shots, and Andrew Harrison right up there in attempts with Booker.

    The Suns grabbed Devin Booker and ran the offense through him a bit and suddenly he was a star.

    Calipari has explained in the past about his system and how he recognizes it held back Karl-Anthony Towns a little bit, didn't allow him to show everyone what a good shooter he was. The Heat and Calipari both cited that when they talked about taking Bam Adebayo and how he might be more of a shooter than he's shown.

    One other thing that's clearly happened with guys like Devin Booker and now Tyler Herro, is that where in High School they probably handled the ball a whole lot, and the offense essentially ran through them, they were both asked to fit into a system at Kentucky without the ball in their hands. It's an adjustment. Herro has mentioned it.

    So I think that's what has been sold to Miami by Calipari, the same story he sold them before, that his system is his system and the players have to fit into it and sometimes that doesn't let them show their full capabilities, which was true of Devin Booker and is now true of Tyler Herro. I think when Herro blew them away with his shooting workout, maybe that induced them to fully buy into what Calipari was saying.
     
  33. Vertical Limit

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    We will see how he translates to the NBA. One thing to note he finishes well at the rim... and he doesnt need much space to get a shot off well.
     
  34. ckparrothead

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    Chris Silva might be a hell of a find if he can stick with the Heat through Summer Leagues, which I think he will.

    1) Coached by Frank Martin at South Carolina, who coached Udonis Haslem and Rodney McGruder. Martin was downright SALTY about Silva's lack of draft status, if you read Barry Jackson's latest. "He's such a beautiful kid," is something he says a lot about Silva.

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    2) Look at his analytics at South Carolina, and his accolades, and Martin is right! He is two-time All-SEC. He was SEC Co-DPOY in 2018. He's had a PER in the 20's for three years in a row. His ORtg during his time at SC has been creeping up from 106 to 117, and his DRtg has been as low as 88 or 89! And like I said, Co-DPOY this year. High Usage as well, in the 26-28 range. And get this, he's 48% career on three pointers, 28 of 59. Also a consistent (three years in a row) 75% free throw shooter. Gets to the charity stripe A LOT, averaging 10.6 free throws per 36 minutes. Oh and he also averaged 2.6 blocks per 36 minutes, and 10.3 rebounds, to go along with his 20.4 points. He averaged 4.0 offensive rebounds per 36 minutes the last two years.

    3) Let's add some good Combine data to this, just because. He didn't get invited to THE Combine, but he did participate in a Chicago Combine. The Shuttle is a misprint (probably 3.4 seconds), but otherwise these are measurements. His speed and agility are not so great (but not terrible either). His wing span is not good for being 6'10" height, and it drags down his standing reach relative to other players his height range. But his hands are huge and his jumping ability is superb. He shot 48% from three during the Combine drills, which is interesting because that's what he shot in his college career, lol. He scored 22 points and had 10 rebounds during the 3-on-3 scrimmage.

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    4) Finally there's just watching him play ball, and I think it's pretty good. Strong as an oak under the basket, and physical as hell. He looks like Udonis Haslem, to be honest.


     
  35. Serpico Jones

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    Watching Herro’s highlights and am I crazy to think that he’s kinda like a smaller Gordon Hayward? Probably because he’s also white?
     
  36. BevoPhin

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    I think NO shouldve stayed put and taken Darius Garland.
     
  37. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Apparently Morey was obsessed with Brandon Clarke, and had a deal in place with Boston to get him with the 22nd overall pick, but Memphis traded up and stole Clarke at 21.

    CK....you were on to something.
     
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  38. BevoPhin

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    I’ve been following his nfl draft insight as well as this other dude at FH for years. I’m pretty sure if they were scouts for the dolphins, we would suck less.
     
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  39. phinswolverinesrockets

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    I don't doubt it.
     
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    According to Greg Cote, Pat Riley told him they had Herro and Okpala 9th and 10th on their board, and that they'd have taken Okpala at 13 if Herro was off the board. Riley could have been full of **** on this, but there were rumors that teams had him higher than people thought. Who knows if that was just Miami, or if other teams had him much higher than he went, but had other guys even higher than that. Opinions were all over the board on these guys this year.
     
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