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The OFFICIAL All-Tua All-Positive Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by resnor, Oct 31, 2022.

  1. whiskeyCoke72

    whiskeyCoke72 Active Member

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    That it is my friend! I miss those days - I’m too old and the poison too strong anymore
     
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  2. whiskeyCoke72

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    Oh and:
    Tua killed a Bear, when he was only Three
     
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  3. Vinny Fins

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    Kinda impressive:

     
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  4. cbrad

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    He killed the Chicago Bears today.
     
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  5. resnor

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    That's actually really, really cool!
     
  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You realize that's what he was saying...lol
     
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  7. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    This was even more impressive because every time he killed it, Josh Boyer broke out the defibrillator and brought that sucker back to life. How good would this team be if we didn't give up ridiculous gash plays in literally every single game?
     
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  8. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Stats are usually Brad’s thing, but I was curious and just looked some up…

    This far this season, Tagovailoa is

    164/216
    1980 yards
    17TD/3Int
    75.92% completion
    124 QBR

    He’s averaging 9.17 yards per attempt, or 12.07 yards per completion (sorry Brad, I prefer the result rather than the attempt)

    Stats don’t mean a lot if you’re not winning but, the Dolphins are winning and I think we’re all ecstatic we’re on the right side of 500!
     
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  9. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Wait a second…am I missing something?

    Tua has 302 yards and 3 TDs today
    Last week against the Lions he had 382 yards and 3 TD
    But the week before that against the Steelers, he had 261 yards and 1 TD

    Right?
     
  10. cbrad

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    Stats aren't correct though. They should be

    151/216
    1980 yards
    15 TD / 3 INT
    69.9% completion percentage
    115.9 rating

    9.17 Y/A and 13.1 Y/C

    Your calculations are right given the numbers you started off with but the 164 completions and 17 TD are wrong. They should be 151 completions and 15 TD.
     
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  11. OwesOwn614

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    The tweet said consecutive games, not three consecutive games.
     
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  12. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    This is why drinking and calculating is t a good idea lol

    That’s how you get government figures lol
     
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  14. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Tua stat check after week 9;




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  15. MonstBlitz

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    I love that Tua has brought the Dolphins back from multiple 2 (or more) score holes this season. Miami winning games where they start out in a hole has been a rarity the past 2 decades.
     
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  16. OwesOwn614

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  17. Springveldt

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    His pass rating on PFF is miles above everyone else, they have no one else in the league throwing the ball like him, weak arm and all. His overall drops down due to running and fumbles. Yes, they credited that fumble on the bad snap to him yesterday.
     
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  18. Rick 1966

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    Tua received over 17,000 votes as a write-in for Florida's Senate race...
     
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  19. The_Dark_Knight

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  20. FinFaninBuffalo

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    During Tua's first two years, I remained hopeful. While the results were not there, I take into account the situation that the QB is in and reserve judgement until the situation improves, especially if the situation has elements that are bottom of the league (pass blocking, receivers, play calling). The more outside evidence and opinions that agree the situation is bad, the more slack I give.

    Instead, I tried to look at what Tua did well. What jumped off the screen to me was his release, quickness of his feet, pocket movement, and accuracy. I don't watch much college football. I also don't put much time into researching college players before the draft. I knew of Tua's successes but not a ton of detail on what made him a good prospect.

    Yesterday, I did some searching on youtube and reviewed some of his pre-draft analysis, especially from Trent Dilfer. Very, very interesting stuff. Based on what Tua is doing this year, he was dead nuts on target. Recommended viewing. There was little concern over arm strength. There was acknowledgement that he doesn't have the strongest arm but nobody was saying that he doesn't have an NFL arm. Also very interesting to watch the elite 11 stuff. Recommended viewing if you want some assurance that this year's Tua is the real Tua and his first two seasons were due to the crap situation.

    If is completely false to believe that nobody saw this Tua coming. Quite a few people did. Thank God, the prior regime is gone and didn't destroy Tua.
     
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  21. TheHighExhaulted

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    He came into the league with a dinosaur offensive coordinator taken out of retirement in an antiquated offense, who wasn't interested in teaching him.

    Then his second year he has, get this, co-offensive coordinators who probably weren't qualified for the job alone. If that doesn't confuse a young quarterback I don't know what will.

    Thank God for Mike McDaniel.
     
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  22. The_Dark_Knight

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    Good post. It really is great to see the team actually building around and setting their quarterback up for success. I didn’t mind Flores as the HC…historically, defensive minded head coaches have had far greater success than offensive minded head coaches…historically that is but with Flores, he wasn’t able to bring in a high quality offensive coordinator today would build an offense around Tua’s skills set and insist on obtaining high quality players to achieve that offensive success.

    I recall when Chan Gailey was hired as OC and the numerous negative posts about his offense and how it was outdated and ineffective. If you held that opinion, then Tagovailoa’s performance would have to be tied to said offense.

    Then after Gailey’s departure, Flores promoted 2 offensive coaches to co-OC’s. I knew deep down that was a Greek tragedy waiting to happen. Unproven coaches having to work together to try and come up with an effective offense. Despite this cluster, Tua still performed as best as could be expected.

    With McDaniel, this man is not only offensively minded, but he’s also smart enough (it seems thus far) to have developed an offense and compliments Tua’s skills set, but also able to bring in personnel to execute this offense.

    When you draft a quarterback, especially in the top 5, there’s something about him you REALLY like. Smart teams either already have an offense in place that compliments that quarterbacks’ skills set or the build a team and develop an offensive scheme that fits those skills.

    Too many times, a GOOD college quarterback is drafted and is forced to change who and what he is to play the drafting team’s offense, contrary to who and what he is. This is what happened to Tua and if Flores hadn’t been fired and McDaniel hired, it’s very likely Tagovailoa would have faded into obscurity

    When you see what Tua has done this season, he’s shown why he was drafted 5th overall and he was everything they thought he was.
     
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  23. The_Dark_Knight

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    Oh snap. You and I were writing virtually the exact same thing at the same time :sidelol:
     
  24. Rick 1966

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    Half the board here wasn't concerned about arm strength (going way back to draft day) because there are elite QBs who didn't have a great arm. The comparison I kept making with Tua was Steve Young — statistically the most efficient passer in history with 3000+ attempts.

    The other half of the board kept on harping about arm strength and about how Tua wasn't really that good because he had such a fantastic surrounding cast at Alabama (i.e., he needs everything to be perfect and then maybe he'll succeed). Tua's really proven both arguments wrong. Clearly his relative lack of arm strength isn't preventing him from being 1st in the most important QB stats, and we all saw how bad our OL is when he's not in there.

    Only question remaining is when the few who keep harping about arm strength stop doing so and accept Tua is elite (at least presently).
     
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  26. KeyFin

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    I just realized there was a game this week- I thought all week it was the bye. Can't believe it's Thursday and nobody is talking about the next game yet, but I guess Tua is the more polarizing topic.
     
  27. cbrad

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    Yeah it's sad. Some people just can't enjoy the Dolphins doing well because it's in large part due to Tua. Vegas had us at 19th most likely to win the SB at the beginning of the season. Now we're 11th. And it's going to go higher.
     
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  28. resnor

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    TBH, I didn't trust the talking heads. Thought they were just doing their usual sensationalism.

    Really glad that Tua is playing at levels they all said he could reach.
     
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  29. OwesOwn614

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    From Deadspin:
    Tua Tagovailoa is the real deal
    In case there was any doubt left, advanced analytics showcase just how effective the Miami Dolphins QB has been in 2022
    ByJon Hoefling
    PublishedToday 8:38AM

    Prior to the season, the NFL world was conflicted on Miami Dolphins starting quarterback Tua Tagovailoa’s viability as a franchise quarterback. Even after his six-touchdown performance in Week 2, the world was still divided. Maybe it was just a fluke game. Hell, even I pointed out that bad quarterbacks have had games of that magnitude before. I was skeptical, but now that we are more than halfway through the NFL season, Tua has shown more than enough to prove that he’s not only a franchise quarterback in the NFL, but perhaps good enough to compete with the best in the league for years to come.

    I could start this argument with Tua’s MVP odds, talking about how he went from long shot to top-five in the league behind only Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. That’s weak though. We’ve seen Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, and Derek Carr have near-MVP seasons before. One good season does not guarantee future NFL success.

    A much better determinator would be his analytics, and by golly, Tua’s advanced stats don’t just jump off the page, they grab you by the ears and scream profanities at you until you can’t deny Tua’s greatness anymore.

    Let’s start with Defense-Adjusted Value Over Average (DVOA), a percentage measurement of a quarterback’s efficiency over an average quarterback. Tua’s is insane. He leads the league in that category. The second-highest mark belongs to Kansas City’s Patrick Mahomes. His DVOA checks in at 25.2 percent. Third, is San Francisco’s Jimmy Garoppolo — probably didn’t expect him; I’ll touch more on his presence here in a moment — with 25.1 percent. Fourth is Philly’s Jalen Hurts at 19.9 percent. With those figures in mind, what could you possibly assume Tagovailoa’s figure is, hmm? Maybe high-20s, low-30s perhaps? Maybe he blows everyone out of the water and hits us with a 40 percent DVOA. That would be something, right? Well, Tua’s DVOA currently sits at 51 percent, more than double Mahomes’ figure.

    Now, that’s impressive, but while I’m writing this, I’m already sensing the doubts some of you readers may have. “Well, if Jimmy G is there, clearly something is wrong with this statistic.”

    That’s a fair assessment, and the stat isn’t perfect. No stat is. Any quarterback who falls high on this list can attribute some of their success in this category to their head coach. After all, a quarterback’s efficiency can be heavily limited by a lack of creativity from the coaching staff. That’s probably the main reason Garoppolo comes in so high. Shanahan is heralded as a great offensive mind, and Garoppolo never has to throw the ball much under his watch. With Dolphins’ head coach Mike McDaniel being a student of Shanahan, it only makes sense that both teams’ quarterbacks would be high up on the DVOA leaderboards. So, now you’re probably thinking: “Well, clearly it’s all McDaniel’s system then, just like how Shanahan’s system elevates Garoppolo.” Sure, that’s part of it, but if Tua was as bad as some people would make you believe, his DVOA would be much closer to Garoppolo’s than it actually is, not two times higher.

    Now let’s move to Yards Above Replacement (YAR). Think of this statistic like WAR in baseball, a cumulative figure that attempts to crunch a player’s value into a singular number, or in this case, yardage total. It’s a cumulative stat meaning that the more pass attempts a player has, the more likely they are to have a higher figure. Tua is second in the NFL with 888 YAR, four fewer than the league leader Mahomes (892). Tua has missed 2.5 games.

    Of course, those numbers change when we look at Defense-Adjusted Yards Above Replacement (DYAR), which takes into account the quality of defense that each quarterback has played against. In that statistic, which is also cumulative, Tagovailoa leads the NFL, and it’s not all that close. His DYAR figure (909) is 48 points higher than Mahomes’ (861). The only quarterbacks to have a higher DYAR through nine games than Tua this year are 2004 Peyton Manning (MVP), 2006 Peyton Manning (third in MVP voting), and 2007 Tom Brady (MVP). That’s elite company, and once again, Tua has missed 2.5 games. I just want to reiterate that.

    Even in regard to more traditional stats, Tua stands high above his competition. He’s first in the NFL in yards per attempt, first in average net yards per attempt, first in touchdown percentage, and first in QBR (purely a measurement of a quarterback’s play; Garoppolo ranks 23rd in that category by the way, just in case you weren’t convinced that McDaniel was covering Tua’s flaws). Those are numbers you can’t ignore, and if Tua hadn’t missed time with a concussion, he’d undoubtedly be the MVP frontrunner in my eyes.

    I’ve seen a few comparisons between this Dolphins team and the 2016 Atlanta Falcons. That offense was so efficient and well-designed that dump-offs would routinely turn into 20-plus yard gains. And yes, there are bound to be similarities since Kyle Shanahan was that team’s OC and, like I said earlier, McDaniel is a Shanahan prodigy. So, I get the concerns surrounding Tua’s staying power post-2022 considering how Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan quickly fell off after winning the MVP in 2016. However, if Shanahan had remained in Atlanta, there’s reason to believe Father Time would’ve slowed down trying to catch up to Matty Ice. Tagovailoa is currently under contract through 2023 and given his rapport with McDaniel as well as receivers Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, the Dolphins would be stupid not to extend him. McDaniel is currently locked up through 2025. It’s a match made in heaven and as long as they stick together, I’ve seen no reason why Tua can’t be considered elite in the very near future.

    https://deadspin.com/tua-tagovailoa-is-the-real-deal-1849766672
     
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  30. resnor

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    Enough discussion in here. This only for posting positive, awesome Tua stuff, so we can all just fanboi out about Tua!

    I love the resiliency that he's shown.
     
  31. djphinfan

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    Let’s try to think of a Qb who came into the NFL who had a more worse set of circumstances and variables surrounding him in his first two years

    I’ll save you the time
     
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  32. resnor

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    Tannehill.
     
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  33. Dan S

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    Sad that they both played for the same franchise.
     
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  34. The_Dark_Knight

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    I’d add Henne to that list as well. Not to say he would have blossomed under “this” regime during his early days, but I think it’s safe to say he was definitely another not set up for success
     
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    Umm.. most QBs picked high go to really bad teams and are not set up for success. Tannehill and Tua I'd say were in fairly average situations (i.e., bad in absolute terms) for QBs picked in the top 10. People are saying similar stuff about Lawrence now, and Geno Smith after his sudden resurgence in Seattle. Also, most fans of weak teams tend to think their situation is a lot worse than everyone else's.

    If you're looking for someone who was arguably in a way below average situation even for QBs picked top 10 the first one I can think of is David Carr. 1st overall pick and year 1 he sets the (still standing) record for most times sacked in a season at 76. Carr also holds the #3 all time sacked record with 68. He also has the most fumble recoveries in a season (rookie year) at 12.

    Nothing we've seen is comparable to that.
     
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    I disagree about Tua. Never seen a team try so hard to get rid of a top 5 pick that didn't play terribly. They lost a pick tampering with Tom Brady, and almost traded the house for a known pervert. It was crazy. And, that's what we know about. I cannot imagine what coaching was for him the with all of that going on behind the scenes.
     
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    David Carr is a great choice but Tua is right there because it isn't just about the offensive line which is obvious or the questionable weapons or questionable offensive coaching its that the head coach wanted him gone after a handful of games and everyone knew it.
     
  38. resnor

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    I love Tua. He proved me wrong, and I couldn't be happier!!
     
  39. TheHighExhaulted

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    Screenshot this!
     
  40. resnor

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    Why? I've stated all along i wanted to see more than 1-5 quarters of great play.

    I pray for his health before every game, though. Lol
     

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