the official put jordan on gronkowski thread

Sorry if it was discussed elsewhere, but why is it still such a low number of snaps? Is he still hurt? or are we just trying to bring him along slowly? I would have thought by now or at least soon he'd be out there most of the game...

 

Self-inflicted wound, IMO.

There have been quite a few instances of those in 2012 and 2013.

The thing to keep in mind is that ultimately those accusations of self-inflicted wounds boil down to differences of opinion though. They have opinions. We have opinions. We tend to notice when we were right but not when they were right.

 

Covering "guys" ? This is not just some guy from the pac 12 thats working for Regal Cinemas now......this is arguably the best TE in the league. When you get pressure on Brady rushing 4, thats how you have success.....Let Jordan rush the passer with Vernon and Wake in the speed package....and let the defensive backs do their job..

 

Agree BUT he's getting limited reps at the moment. He can't do both with those reps. If I had the choice of what his job is with him being held back I'd have him rushing Brady.

 

This. I think if Jordan can have an impact on this game (and I really think he could) it would have to be the coaches deciding this is the week they unleash him. Give him a full work load. Have him pin his ears back and just go after Brady like a rabid dog. Have a Jason Taylor like day just beating the crap out of him. This is how Dion Jordan could make his presence felt. Not covering a tight end.

 

Man I hate the idea of being 3-4 after starting at 3-0. We traded up to the 3rd pick in the draft to get an impact player, not a situational player, if there was a game for Wake and Jordan to come together and show the twin Krackens this is it. If the other defensive backs can do their jobs I think Grimes can cover Gronks. We didn't draft Jordan because he can drop back in coverage and cover tight ends, we drafted him to put pressure on the quarterback. Gronkowski is a heck of a player but Brady is one of the best at doing what he does. One thing we have found over the years, and why we have had success against Brady is he doesn't do well under pressure while running for his life. I think that is the key to the game, not specifically covering Gronkowski although that wouldn't hurt either.

 

Where is will Davis?

I don't wantbgronk to get a clean step within the 1st five yards, no matter where he lines up and who's against him.

Wake, Starks, odrick, Shelby, Vernon, Jordan...this is your game!



Rush 4, zone the middle, man coverage using the sideline a a defender on the outside and bracket Gronk. Clemons doesn't allow anyone deep, keep an eye on the flats and I think we can seriouslyslow them down, presuming they don't run all over us.

 

Also, we know it's pressure up the middle that frustrates Brady, so our DTs need to get push and I expect to see a lot LBs in the Middlesbrough but I hope they are just playing a cat a mouse game bc if we let those backs out free Brady will dump off to bolden all day.

 

Given that the coaching in Miami is being questioned more and more, the timing for New England is perfect. I always see Patriots games as franchise assessments. Games against New England always show your where your better and where you are worse. NE always screws with your tendencies, so it will be interesting to see how our staff approaches this game. In other words, if we keep trotting out the same junk, don't be surprised by another pick 6, 3rd and 15+ screen pass conversions and 3rd and 10 down and out conversions with Phil Wheeler on an island

 

If Heath Evans is right about that, then you won't find a better defensive tackle trio in football to test the theory than Randy Starks, Jared Odrick and Paul Soliai.

Infamously, I thought Heath Evans' analysis on The Finsiders made a lot of sense though I ultimately disagreed with him on several points. One argument he made that I thought made sense was that Brady isn't bothered by edge pressure, only middle pressure. But where I think he ultimately dropped the ball on that line of reasoning was not acknowledging the potential for Starks, Odrick and Soliai to provide exactly that middle pressure that he thinks really hurts Brady. They've been the best rotation in the NFL at doing it.

 

On second thought, DJ and me idea that Jordan could cover Gronk isn't sound. He isn't as big, strong, agile or as fast, right? On wait. He's never pass covered effectively. Oh wait. Also, we have so many other defenders physically capable of matching up against Gronk, it wouldn't be necessary anyway, right?

So, the guys he played coverage against in the PAC 12 are now working for Regal Cinemas huh? About as much as the offensive tackles he pass rushed against.

 

Heath Miller, the Steelers TE said that?

 

Show me proof hes covered a tight end as good as gronk, and ill think about it...

 

Typo. You know who I'm referring to.

 

You know that is impossible, when healthy Gronk is the best TE in the game today. Show me proof any other DB or LB on our roster is physically capable of matching up with Gronk.
I like Grimes as much as anyone, but the suggestions in this thread of our smallest DB covering Gronk all over the field, ala Talib with Jimmy Graham are as equally unrealistic.
Who would you have cover Gronk? Reshad Jones? He has been one of the worst cover safeties in the league this season. History has already shown that is a recipe for failure.
I am open to suggestions. Let's hear them.

 

I have not watched Finsiders lately. How am I to know who their guest interviews are?

 

I don't think Reshad Jones has been used in a manner that fits his skill set. I think that's probably his biggest problem. He needs to be helped by being allowed to move around the field and use whatever technique he needs to get the job done. If you've got him close to the line and allow him to mirror Gronkowski and be physical with him, I think that may actually be Miami's best bet.

 

One of them is not our 20 snap a game pass rushing specialist.....you keep bringing up physical traits....if thats the case, we need to sign Usain Bolt to play WR.....cause hes tall and fast......doesnt matter if he can catch or run routes....?

You honestly believe Tom Brady wouldnt take Dion to school ?! Give me a break.

 

Physical traits to include a football skill set. Don't make ridiculous comparisons to try to make a point. Jordan has agility, awareness, and instincts in coverage. At least he did in the way Oregon used him.

Who you gonna have cover Gronk that Brady won't take to school then?

 

Reshad jones, double team, zone, bump and run with wheeler or jenkins underneath with safety over top.....Again, show me proof Jordan can be succesful in coverage consistently..

 

Watch his Oregon games.

Wheeler or Jenkins cannot run with or physically match up with Gronk. Has Jones ever had a good game against him? Not to my recollection.

 

That fine, I'll take Rj's skillset in the matchup, as long as he goes where Gronk goes..

Why is it so far fetched for you to think that Jordan can't do?

 

I think the angle I'm thinking about that's different that what your thinking about is you want to involve multiple players, I just want to match up our best athlete with theirs, and see what happens, exactly what New England did.

 

Who has, MrClean!? Not many.

 

Dion Jordan was not used much in man coverage downfield in Oregon. He can play short zones and things like that, but he doesn't have the ability to cover someone running downfield routes. Its not about physical ability as it is the technical and mental skills.

 

There really isn't anyone in the NFL that has shown they could effectively cover Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham. If you want to limit their productivity, it needs to happen in ways that dont involve trying to cover him.

 

The Jets used a safety on him, often in man to man coverage. While 8 catches for 114 is far from shutting him down, he did a decent job. i don't think you need to put a guy like Jordan on him.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/29593/allen-aces-assignment-vs-gronk

 

Talib shut Graham out completely and with little/no safety help. 0 catches.

 

I can buy that, the nuances of the position and all...but still, it's a game about blocking tackling and covering when it's one on one...let him p,ay bump and run and see what happens, I would most definitely do the matchup all based on the movement skill of Dion Jordan..if I fail, well screw it, I know that's not part of his ceiling, but there is some part of me that feels he can do it.

 

Don't put enough heat on Gronk...get burned by wild 3rd down completions...put too much on Gronk and Tom will just go to the next open guy. He is tough to handle.

 

So, why do the same things that have not worked? Think outside the box.

 

I didn't see the interview, he said as.much? I just know Brady is so good at moving up in and around the pocket. Even with wake out I think we could contain him but can we get push up the middle? I would think so...we need to stop the run.

 

Sean smithnwould be real nice against graham, gronkx2

 

For 1 half, Talib didnt play second half....so Saints couldnt even make adjustments....also didnt Graham get injured too?