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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by first&goal, Apr 12, 2008.
shame about Germany Alex
i can live with a loss....if the other team played better...which they clearly did not...still sucks
well they got their comeuppance. Portugal played about as ugly of a championship title run as you could have. Their game vs Hungary was the only saving grace. And that 3-3 tie got them into the knockout stages.
USMNT losing to Mexico on Friday night is in a word disastrous. Coming out in a 3-5-2, well actually a 3-4-3, to start the game is extremely odd by Klinsmann. Perhaps it's an attempt to get himself fired, I don't know. What I do know is that they didn't have the talent in MF to run that formation. And you saw what a switch to a more comfortable 4-4-2 did in the second half. Which all for a botched corner kick by Altidore on Marquez (who headed home the game winner), perhaps we're having a different discussion here today. As it stands, that is the first loss at home in a WCQ since 2001. Those fans in Columbus (amazing by the way) deserved better.
No secret that I don't think Michael Bradley should be anywhere near this team. I just think he's extremely overrated. Against sub average teams, sure he's okay. But against some form of quality, he is a disaster. Jones is slightly better... slightly. Altidore... well past his prime. These three players should retire from int'l soccer immediately and it's time for new blood across the board. It's time for the national team to let players develop... at the highest level. There may be some moments where the team suffers... but that's in the short term. For this team to take that next step, this turnover has to happen. These players aren't going to ascend any further than they have. And where they have been is not good enough. I'm intrigued by Pulisic (so is Liverpool, he's on their radar, has been since the summer). I think Wood has some quality to his game. Fabian Johnson is a good player. And the defensive nucleus is fairly solid. There's something to build from there. And if Klinsmann can't realize that and clear the aging vets, it's time for him to go clearly.
hah.. didn't even know Klinsmann had been fired. About bloody time. Looks like Bruce Arena is back for this WC cycle.. I'll be expecting my call shortly as I've taken my son's team to the regional playoffs this Saturday. First year of coaching. #crownme
anybody watching the FIFA World Cup for U20? I've seen the England and US games thus far. That England OG was historically awful. Klinsmann (the goalie for US) is off the hook for worst mistake of the tourney. It does amaze me though how much energy these guys have for 90 minutes. More than their older counterparts.
US fails to qualify for WC for first time since 1986. Have no fear though. The next generation of mens soccer is right around the corner. The U17 WC is currently being played and the US team is quite good. They also did pretty well back in June at the U20 WC made it to the quarter finals.
To add the MLS has never been stronger. If there is a WC to miss, timing wise, this was it.
So Paul, if you had to make up a "Team" for the next cycle, Olympics and WC, from Soccer federation head, to head coach to coaching staff, on down to players at positions, who would you choose for the US Team? Sweep out the old guard.
Well, if I'm being honest here, I don't know enough about the inner workings of the US Soccer Federation. I can see who they are by doing a quick google search, but I have no idea how effective they are (the CEO, President and EVP).
I think Tab Ramos has done a fine job at the youth program. I'd immediately promote him to be the coach. And I'm sure he'd bring along guys he's worked with before, Brad Friedel for example. These guys have a connection with the next generation. So why not use that to promote the turnover that is going to happen.
Players that need to retire from international soccer immediately (they should have done it when they lost to Mexico at home last fall):
Michael Bradley (30)
Jozy Altidore (27)
Clint Demspey (34)
Tim Howard (38)
Thank you for your service... and good bye.
Really anyone that is over 26 shouldn't be playing in the next cycle unless a major exception exists. ex. Fabian Johnson
You've got to build a youth movement around Christian Pulisic. He's the best player I've seen in a US jersey, period. And he's 19. Really, keepers from the current US squad for me are:
Gonzalez (28)... yeah that OG was brutal
Besler (30)... bit on the fence, but I'd keep him around for a little bit. It's okay to have experience at CB.
Arriola (22) *
Acosta (22) *really like both of these players
Players that I've seen at the recent U20 WC that impressed the hell out of me...
Josh Sargent of course, striker... red head... seems to be the next star in the making
Erik Palmer-Brown, he was the team captain.
Brooks Lennon, good wide player with pace
Cameron Carter-Vickers, very strong like Palmer-Brown
Luca De La Torre, creative midfielder.
Some guys from the U17 team currently playing that look really good...
Tim Weah (might have heard of his father, George), Tim is on the PSG youth team
That's a decent start to something that will take time to turn around.
What an embarrassment.
Pretty surprising to see the team look so absolutely lifeless after the strong game in Orlando I attended last Friday.
To add. I think a guy like Ramos can teach the young guys what he went thru and what it means to represent his country, the best country in the world. I think that can get lost on players especially when they are playing for overseas clubs.
I feel like we've heard that before, though, with regards to the youth teams looking good. I think the entire program needs an overhaul Sunil Gulati has done a terrible job with it, and if this doesn't get him out I'm not sure what will. I also think they need a real world class coach. Arena is the status quo, and might have some success, but will never push this team to the next level. I'm not sure who will, but they need to find him.
They need a completely new approach to how the game is treated at the youth levels, though. The US won't win with the plodding style they've always played. Accepting that as "the American way" is accepting never challenging on the world stage. Skilled play HAS to be taught to kids.
I agree completely on Pulisic. The guy is world class, and he's so young. After so many guys we thought would be that transcendent young player and weren't, this guy appears like the real deal. Ideally you need to find more of them, though. The athletes are here, obviously. They just need to figure out how to get them to play soccer.
Any of you guys post at Bigsoccer.com?
Might be the only site I frequent as much as this one.
Although probably not as much for about 5 years.....
no, perhaps I should... I only come here to spew my nonsense... perhaps one day, when I'm long gone, my greatness will be realized.
It's a good site. Some very knowledgeable people, some not so much, and some crazies....
You can probably guess the name I post under there!
At least now I can root for my ethnic country without any guilt.
I have a choice of 3, but they always been secondary after the US.
I actually think it's a bit of a blessing that the US didn't make it to the WC. I mean it's in Russia and all.... last time we had this much hostility with Russia, there were Olympic boycotts.
Forget the world cup, We back to back world war champions and we are going for the threepete
Nice run of games by England at the U17 World Cup. Today's win vs Brazil. Back to back hat tricks now by Brewster, the LFC prospect. I thought the extra days rest for England really helped them at the end of the first half. Because it looked like Brazil was coming on after they had tied the game 1-1. But they hit that 35 minute mark or so, and all of a sudden it was one way action going the opposite direction. Some of that carried into the second half, but when England went up 3-1, it was pretty much over so it wasn't as noticeable that Brazil were just drained. Not to make any excuses for them. England was well deserved to be moving on. Haven't seen the other semi result yet... I'm assuming Spain will get thru and it'll be a rematch of the Euro thriller from earlier in the summer that went to penalties (we all know how that ended don't we?)...
Phil Foden looking even better than Brewster.
32 teams are set for Russia 2018. No Italy.. no USA... no Ireland. I do wonder how the ratings will do for Fox next summer here in the US. Well I know I'll be watching... anyway, the pots were announced this week...
Russia (hosts) (65)
Costa Rica (22)
South Korea (62)
Saudi Arabia (63)
If I'm England I'm looking to avoid... well, I'm looking to avoid penalties at all costs ... but besides that... I'd want Russia or Poland out of the first pot. Avoid Denmark and Iceland (maybe Senegal as well) out of that third pot. And Serbia out of the 4th pot.
Potential group of deaths... Spain and any of the teams out of the first pot not named Russia or Poland, plus Denmark/Iceland/Senegal.. and of course Serbia... so Brazil/Spain/Senegal/Serbia... that's my G.O.D. Pick... remember you can't have more than one team from the same federation in the same group (except UEFA where its no more than two).
England snowflake group...
Reflecting back on the group selection that occurred last week. Belgium, Panama, Tunisia and England. ****, I'll take that! Even England should be able to qualify out of that group.
Here's the rest of the groups:
A (by far the weakest group, Russia lucked out)
B (Spain and Portugal lucked out really)
C (Potential Group of Death, I wouldn't be surprised to see France not make it out actually)
Peru (they could surprise)
Denmark (they could also surprise)
D (Decent group, any two teams could advance)
E (Potential Group of Death as well, could Brazil fail to advance?)
F (the real Group of Death and keep in mind that E plays F first / second in round of 16... so could see Brazil vs Germany in the round of 16)
Mexico (they have to be wondering what they did to deserve such treatment)
H (Other than group A, there isn't another group I would mind facing more than this in the round of 16)
England always thinks it has it easy when it draws a CONCACAF team, but history disagrees. I warned an old English teammate of mine about Costa Rica in the tropics last World Cup, but he laughed at me...
Well I have freely admitted that anything is possible with England and the WC. As you noted though, the games were played in the Amazon... not a good thing for the British I have a feeling that with the more "traditional" weather expected in Russia, England should play better. if it were in Brazil again, I wouldn't expect England to make it out of the group. Tunisia and Panama would! Hey at least we qualified... ehem. The Eye-ties, Stars and Stripes, and the Paddys will have a tournament in the US next summer I hear.
I don't think that one will float.
US just scheduled pre WC warm up game for France.
Ross will have them playing in that stadium during the world cup. I mean they don't have anything else to do....
Late to the party....wonder why? Que sera sera. Our team and organization needed this shock to the system. We've been regressing for too long.
Anyway, best site for highlights is www.ourmatch.net, thought I'd share.
Well, we're just over a week away from the World Cup starting in Russia. Expectations? Predictions? Looking back at the groups, I do think France, Brazil and Germany have difficult groups but those three are likely the favorites. Germany, did watch them in a friendly vs Austria and they didn't play well at all. Losing to the Austrians. France looks very impressive (will be a nice test for the young US lads this week). I have to think they are the deepest team in the competition. Can the D hold up I suppose is the key question? A France/Brazil final would be a thrill ride. I'm expecting the aforementioned three teams in the semis... now the fourth team could be a surprise... or it could just be Spain or Portugal. Or maybe Argentina. Those are the clear elite six teams in this.
Very bearish on England this time... Probably the lowest expectations for them in quite a while for me... who knows, they'll probably go on and win it.
Sort of stumbling into this world cup. Haven't followed international football for a while.
No clue what to expect apart from the usual:
Talented Brazilians and Argentineans
And several underdogs advancing
I'm hoping the Japanese can do well again and build on previous success and experience. Was a real treat to see them play last time around.
US, Mexico and Canada awarded the 2026 WC following a vote today. WC will increase to 48 teams then, and the joint bid includes 10 stadiums in the US, and 3 each in Canada/Mexico. Final to be at MetLife. I would think there's a high likelihood of Hard Rock being one of the US stadiums to host games.
Yeah, it's great to see it here in the US again. Last time (94) England hadn't qualified, it was a real disappointment, so I didn't go. Although I watched every game from home Where did you see the final was going to be at Metlife? I'm assuming either the Rose Bowl or Coliseum here in LA will host some games, so I'll likely check it out this time. Would much rather prefer one of the new soccer stadiums here to go to, but they just aren't big enough I suspect (unless they expand on them by then, a possibility I suppose).
Full WC 2018 predictions for the record....
4. Saudi Arabia
1. Peru (I'm doing this as it sets up the Fra v Bra final!)
4. Costa Rica
4. South Korea
4. Poland (like the Swiss, they always seem to have a high FIFA ranking and then disappear in the tournaments)
Brackets (and now the fun really begins):
England over Germany (I actually think England could win this because Germany is not that good this year, they seem off in the warm up games)
France over Spain (French team, after not winning the group and a wake up call, will be much better in the brackets)
Brazil over Belgium (Would be a great game on paper)
Croatia over Portugal (A bit of an upset, but you can't argue with Rakitic and Modric in the MF)
France over England (has to be penalties, still to get to the semis for England would be a coup. The tourney sets up very well for them to make the quarters. And even though expectations are low, it would be disappointing for them not to make it to the qf)
Brazil over Croatia
Brazil over France (what a final that would be?)
This is the BBC article from yesterday on the FIFA conference where the vote took place, and the final being in NY is mentioned as part of the bid details https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44464913
I was planning on going to my first WC in '94 as a Scotland supporter and expected us to qualify as, hard to believe now, but that's just what we did in those days. Five tournaments in a row we'd been too....but of course the streak ended in '94. The last 20 years (since we last qualified in '98) has been hard to imagine after growing up used to us being there. Increasing the qualifiers to 48 has my fingers crossed for '26 though, should be a good one to get to.
I was so stoked for the 2026 announcement. My brother and I for sure will be going. As usual I pretty much agree with your predictions as well. I think Croatia / Iceland could either take 2nd in their group, depends on momentum imo (Though would prefer our boy Lovern making the round of 16). I like the prediction of France not winning their group, think that group is being lavished so much they could stumble like France did in 2002 going in as favorites.
One of my first world cup memories was watching with my dad in the summer on 86. It was the first time I spen my summer in Mexico with my dad and was made sweeter that it was being held in Mexico as well that year. Everything has come full circle, my Dad is now spending the summer with us in Alaska visiting and we'll be watching tons of matches.
More for fun than as a predictor. There are teams I hate and can't root for, so I am not predicting them to do well!
I'm trying to figure the math on the 80 games by 48 teams in 34 days... will there be 12 groups of 4? and how do they get down to the round of 16, 12 group winners plus 4 highest second place teams. 16 games in the elimination round if there's a round of 16. 64 games in the group stage. 64 divided by 12? doesn't work. 6 games per group... times 12 groups is 72 games plus 16 games is 88 games total. hmm... what am I missing?
ok... researched... wikipedia knows all...
"The tournament will open with a group stage consisting of 16 groups of three teams, with the top two teams progressing from each group to a knockout tournament starting with a round of 32 teams. The number of games played overall will increase from 64 to 80, but the number of games played by finalists remains at seven, the same as with 32 teams, except that one group match will be replaced by a knockout match. The tournament will also be completed within 32 days, same as previous 32-team tournaments"
Jesus.... they should just do what they do in NCAA baseball... round robin, double elimination etc etc. 16 groups of 3... So the second match is going to be played at different times for each team. in other words, you're at a disadvantage if the other two teams in the group play their last game after your last game. They know what they need to advance while you sit there with your thumb up your ***? Can you say collusion? I guess the wiki article talks about them not having ties, which would be interesting, having all ties broken by penalty. Welp, there goes England's chances of advancing into the 32 I suppose in theory the double elimination is exactly what the group of three is with two teams advancing... because the one that doesn't advance would likely have lost both games (or tied 1 and lost the other).
Been a good week of football matches. Our Liverpool boys are doing quite well for the most part.