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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by first&goal, Apr 12, 2008.
The "president's" hostage scores a goal for them. What a farce. You and Costa are a disgrace.
So we have the Reds versus the Blues on Tuesday and the Three Lions versus the Fighting Tablecloths on Wednesday!
An old English teammate invited me out to a watch party Wednesday at his sister’s house. They’ve built an English pub in their backyard!
I think Belgium were a major disappointment today. Lukaku especially. You do have to give credit to France and their 2 CB's plus Pogba and Kante. Varane and Umtiti were mostly good vs Lukaku. If England makes it thru, they'll need to do better with Kane vs those two. That might be the game you go with two forwards up top, bring in Rashford to play close to Kane rather than Sterling who should play wide to stretch their D. Lukaku closed out all game I thought.
It was a defensive struggle. ENG vs CRO may be the same way. If you're a neutral, you might not enjoy that. Gonna be a nail biter either way.
Good luck today, England!
Well it wasn't meant to be for England, not this world cup. It's not their time yet. But it was a tremendous effort and it will be a fantastic learning experience at this level. They have a young team that will only get better the next 8 year cycle. I'm looking forward to that.
Some obvious mistakes at the back cost them both goals. Credit Croatia for never giving up. Their energy has been amazing. Perisic today was absurd. Hope for a quality final. Hate to see either team win it from my perspective. I don't like France... as in EVER. I suppose I will root for Croatia but it will be tough having lost this one.
Belgium vs England part 2, with the subs again? oh boy. Like the first version was so memorable.
Dude, can you explain what happened? The guys covering the game only told us who had the ball, but didn't really go into what was happening or why.
I only watch the World Cup, so I really don't know either, but it looked to me like England played defense all night and after some great defensive headers and the like, the dam started to break. Their offense wasn't much, so it didn't take any of the pressure off. I think it would be easy to blame Walker. Maybe it is justified, I don't know, but was it a coincidence that they went at him a lot? He seemed to be exhausted at the 2nd half and started making mistakes that should have cost them more points. I also couldn't tell if Croatia is a dirty team or just wanted it more than England. They sure were the more physical team.
There is a very common soccer\football theme when a team scores early, but fails at a number of chances to stretch their lead with another goal. It pretty much almost always comes back to haunt them. Watching the game, you could almost feel it coming in the first 20 minutes.
More analytically: The back 3 played well the whole tournament but it gave up the outside and Croatia kept crossing, with little pressure on the ball, until it paid off. England also lacks a real offensive playmaker, which required Kane to come back and get the ball too much, as opposed to getting good service.
Thanks for the insight. I am guessing some people are still pissed off to talk about it. I know, I would be. Who are you pulling for in the final? I am leaning towards Croatia.
I think if you look at the two goals, they were eventually let in on defensive mistakes. But it really was about the team getting tired and not reacting properly. Whether that be physical or mental, I'm not sure. Croatia certainly were the more mentally and physically fit team. It really reminded me of England's loss to Brazil back in the 2002 (?) World Cup. Owen scores early in the game. England takes the lead. And we're defending the rest of the game. When the Brazilians eventually tied the game, we couldn't react and play positive. It was similar. England scores very early on the Trippier FK. Although we had plenty of opportunities to get a second and failed. I don't think we packed it in.
Croatia's first goal, there was an attack on the left side first. And then it was pulled back and a big cross field pass to Vrsalkjo on the right flank who crossed into the box. That was a quick switch that the defense didn't react to. They didn't pick up Perisic who came inside of two defenders to get his foot on the ball. Now, it definitely was a high foot there, but the ref isn't going to call it. I mean his foot went above Walker's head (he actually makes contact on Walker). His foot is above his sternum, in the area of Walker's head. That's dangerous play for me.
Croatia's game deciding goal. Mandzukic reacts first to a perfect knock down by Perisic (Man of the match for me). Certainly some gamesmanship there by Mandzukic as he was a few moments earlier rolling around on the ground looking for a red card/penalty on Pickford's challenge/save. On a macro level, Croatia got better on the 50/50 balls throughout the game. And that helps you build momentum. It's the same in any sport. Basketball, hockey. Those situations where either team can get to the ball/puck, but the first one there always seems to be the same team.
For me, I would have put Dier on earlier to help control the midfield with Henderson. But supposedly Hendo had a hamstring issue at the end (he was instead replaced by Dier). I would have put another holding MF in alongside Dier then. I would have put Loftus Cheek in as well to help beef up our attacking midfield and get stronger possession in better more advanced areas. He'd been a threat when he'd been given a chance earlier in the tournament. Alli and Lingard weren't both needed on the field midway thru the second half, still up 1-0. I think Southgate, for all the praise he's received, could have done better in these areas. The knock on him that I've heard, is that he isn't a strategic manager. That he doesn't have enough options that he can go to because he only thinks set plays or open play style.
Hopefully he is in close contact with the youth coaches and they are all on the same page as they develop the national team strategy moving forward.
Thanks for helping me understand. I think when the season rolls around, I am going to try and catch a few games on TV of English football. Who is it that everyone follows around here, Liverpool?
England's big lack was still a real playmaker. And for all the stick that Sterling got, the offense died when he went off. I didn't think Rashford was very effective in his dribbling, didn't have the pace to stretch the defense that Sterling has, and I have no idea why they picked him for free kicks and dead balls, because his service was rubbish..
Well I don't know if we all follow Liverpool, I and a few others in the Liverpool thread certainly do
This is why I'm really interested in the future of the young players such as Phil Foden and Jadon Sancho. This are two guys that can take people one on one, create in space, run off the ball and can finish. Will do it all. They just need to bulk up and get stronger to play at the senior level. "just".... Sterling can do that, as we've seen, but his finishing is lacking. These two don't have that problem.
I think Danny Rose, when he came on, got wide and put some effective balls into the box with his left. He probably should have been taking those free kicks. I was disappointed with Dele Alli and Jesse Lingard in the second half and ET of that game. They were ineffective offensively and weren't quick enough on the defensive side to mark up properly in their own half. I think having them both on at the same time is not ideal. They are similar players in that 10 role.
I also think Kane got tired and wasn't pressing the back line of Croatia like he should have been. When he gets tired he drops in and also wants to play the 10 role. So you essentially had three players now taking up the same area of the field with Vardy/Rashford trying to create havoc (I guess). Just not enough quick passing and changing angles at that stage to get quality crosses into the box.
Neymar should change his name to Meme-ar... or Memar
Felt like the real final was France and Belgium.
I don’t see Croatia having anything for France.
Croatia put up a damn good fight. They had some unlucky plays but France was just better as well.
Is Griezmann a Fins' fan?
It looked like he did "Fins up" after his goal...
Yeah I think Croatia was actually the more attractive team in terms of their play and their possession on the ball. France's first two goals were questionable calls by the ref. Griezmann's dive setup the fk that setup the og. And the pen was a bit harsh. VAR is going to change the way we call hand balls I guess. Need to revisit that.
Nah, he does a dance from Fortnite after scoring goals:
I refuse to let the facts get in the way of my theory.
Griezmann's dive set up first goal but that's soccer and is a part of the game now. See Ronaldo vs. Spain - set up a PK. The penalty had to have been called. As unintentional as it was, the arm was extended away from the body and the ball was going towards the goal. It is a penalty. That being said, Croatia played much better overall in the first half, and seemed to lose their steam in the second.
I honestly thought they'd tie it back at 2 a piece until I realized they don't have a goalie. Both goals Croatian goalie was frozen. For Pogba's, he was moving to the side of the net that Pogba couldn't realistically hit because two players were blocking the lane, and when Pogba shot where 9/10 players would aim in that situation, he was way out of position and a spectator. Mbappe's goal is the same thing. Frozen. He plants his feet too early or something, but unacceptable not even making an attempt from either of those distances in my opinion. For as many PKs that he saved, he was definitely off the mark in the finals. After that, game over.
I wonder if he was effected by the leg injury he had last game.
Could be, but if so you have to seriously critique the coach for playing half a goalie or the back up goalie himself. Is he that bad that they decided to play an injured player ahead of him? Also, the hammy didn't bother him in England shoot outs. Didn't seem too bothered by it against France but we'll never know.
If he was playing through and masking his injury you have to applaud the grit and dedication but if he wasn't transparent with the coaching and training staff he seriously compromised their ability to beat France.